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Yeah, imagine if the Feds started down this path 10 years ago. Could have been so much further advanced. Now a nuclear deflection is the latest derailment.
imagine if we had invested in UNSW solar technology instead of allowing it be stolen by foreign student who.was then supported by his government to dominate the industry

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I'm not familiar with that


This was back in 2001 and took a brave entrepreneur and government to take a risk on this tech - pretty much a decade before it was even close to profitable.

Australia doesn't have that entrepreneurial spirit (outside of the laziness of digging shit out of the ground), so like many inventions, we would have failed to commercialise it.
 
Since Labor was elected in 2022, we've brought online new electricity that is the equivalent of more than 3 entire Snowy Hydro schemes

Well shit....the Snowy Scheme depends how much it rains so that's a really dumb thing to throw out there. I really hope you aren't completely confusing things by talking about installed capacity.
How about Australia used more wind power last year than hydro power, but we couldn't use it when it wasn't windy?
 
So the decision is to have 95% renewables… the cost of the gas compared to going 100% renewables is what needs to be worked out.
In order to cover that 5% we might need an extra 50% renewables.

you only have to google LFCCOE which is relevant at the even 95%, let alone 100, you are referencing to appreciate this is not feasible with current technologies $500/MWh to $1500 is often quoted
 
imagine if we had invested in UNSW solar technology instead of allowing it be stolen by foreign student who.was then supported by his government to dominate the industry

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the same people behind the transfer of tech are behind extracting $2B from our own government now

China's local governments are tapped out and many broke, thus the global hunt for more dollars is on. Our own government has already been conned.
 

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the same people behind the transfer of tech are behind extracting $2B from our own government now

China's local governments are tapped out and many broke, thus the global hunt for more dollars is on. Our own government has already been conned.

What was the cost of subsiding fossil fuels for the last 10 years?
 
What was the cost of subsiding fossil fuels for the last 10 years?

There is a tax imposed for roads, it is applied to Petrol and Diesel.
Farmers , miners etc do not use roads for a lot of their equipment , so do not need to pay the road tax. They are able to claim back the tax on the fuel used off road.

Dumb people think this is a fossil fuel subsidy. :)

( or people who are pushing their political agenda regardless of reality ).
 
There is a tax imposed for roads, it is applied to Petrol and Diesel.
Farmers , miners etc do not use roads for a lot of their equipment , so do not need to pay the road tax. They are able to claim back the tax on the fuel used off road.

Dumb people think this is a fossil fuel subsidy. :)

( or people who are pushing their political agenda regardless of reality ).

How many roads has the public purse built purely for mines?
 
Dumb people think I was referring only to the petrol bowser… gas, Coal… total subsidies was 14 billion last FY… and that’s before we even talk about how little tax they pay.

The fuel tax credit was 10 Billion of that , so you are referring to very much to that.
Its a very weird way of thinking. Suggesting that unimplemented tax is a cost.
How much is not having death taxes costing us.
How much is not doubling personal income tax costing us.

Non-road users have never been taxed for their fuel.

Now...coal subsidies, upgrading the Narrambri to Turrawan "coal rail ".
This is what AI says.
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The Narrabri to Turrawan rail line is used by freight and passenger services, including grain, cotton, and other freight. The Australian Rail Track Corporation (ARTC) completed the Narrabri to Turrawan Line Upgrade in November 2024. The upgrade improves the region's freight efficiency and connectivity, and positions it as a key hub for freight movement.
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Subsidies paid to "Metallurgical Coal mines " to "Drive Emission Reductions".
So that's Coal used to make steel. So they are incentivising the Coal miners to invest in ways to reduce their emissions. There is very little Green Steel manufacture in the world as of now.
What exactly do you suggest is being subsidised here? Sounds like "Emissions Reductions" to me.

On the surface the Australian Institute seems like a reasonable organisation staffed by academic achievers.
I was surprised when i first found out how shonky their reports are.
Might as well get the info from Sky News, just as wrong, just in the opposite direction.
 
How many roads has the public purse built purely for mines?

Welll duh...i dunno, how many have they built purely for wind and solar farms?

They built the town of Yallourn for coal mining, and then dug it up again.

Would have been pretty stupid to have a town there without any roads.
 
Welll duh...i dunno, how many have they built purely for wind and solar farms?

They built the town of Yallourn for coal mining, and then dug it up again.

Would have been pretty stupid to have a town there without any roads.

Do the vehicles maintaining wind and solar farms get the fuel exemption?
 
What was the cost of subsiding fossil fuels for the last 10 years?

I just highlight what you referred to and put it into dollars. This is and has been the difference in how we look and our position on where renewables are at today.

Many simply look at the simple price of how much it costs to produce energy and limit the thinking to the cost of a solar panel sitting there in the sun or a turbine spinning around.

Some look further a look at firming (which doesn't mean what you thought it meant).

Others look at a more fuller cost of the technology in isolation though with a levelised cost.



A sensible position though given the goal is to have safe, reliable and clean energy; would be to consider the cost of a full system that delivers this.

I blame governments though, as they spread lies knowing most will just accept the spin. The challenge though for those that bought the spin is how to pull back and assess things critically. That isn't easy.

Remember those were your own words.
 
What was the cost of subsiding fossil fuels for the last 10 years?

please do tell and yes there are subsidies but be careful not to post misleading and deceptive articles as a reference.
 
Do the vehicles maintaining wind and solar farms get the fuel exemption?
I was wrong its not "only" off road vehicles.
Its also transport vehicles.

Which is kind of ironic, because roads would be a lot cheaper to build and maintain if not for the heavy vehicles.

But there's more, heavy vehicles used on the road have to pay a seperate fuel tax "instead" of the excise.
Their credits are reduced by this tax. ( currently around 30c, so it costs heavy truck businesses 20c/litre less than regular road users.
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he reduction in the FTCs for heavy vehicles on a public road is a road user charge (RUC). This charge aims to ensure that the operators of heavy vehicles pay their share of the cost of constructing and maintaining roads.
The RUC is set independently of the fuel excise rate. To ensure national consistency, any change in the RUC rate is considered alongside state and territory heavy vehicle registration fees as part of the annual pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) heavy vehicle charge setting process. The calculation of the heavy vehicle share of government road expenditure costs and charge rates is performed by the National Transport Commission (NTC) who apply pricing principles designed to efficiently recover the cost of providing road infrastructure for heavy vehicles. Ultimately it is the Transport Minister that determines the RUC charge rate.

The RUC is sometimes referred to as ‘notional’ because it is collected through the excise included in the price of fuel rather than by directly charging heavy vehicle operators. The RUC is equal to the amount of the fuel excise that is not refunded to the business through FTCs. A consequence of collecting the RUC in this way is that the fuel-tax-based RUC cannot exceed the excise rate. If the RUC is set at a level higher than the excise rate, the FTC is reduced to zero and the notional RUC paid is limited to the excise paid.

A key advantage of governments recovering costs of heavy vehicle road use through the fuel tax system is that it is paid progressively through the year on a PAYGO basis rather than as a large annual fee.
 
I was wrong its not "only" off road vehicles.
Its also transport vehicles.

Which is kind of ironic, because roads would be a lot cheaper to build and maintain if not for the heavy vehicles.

But there's more, heavy vehicles used on the road have to pay a seperate fuel tax "instead" of the excise.
Their credits are reduced by this tax. ( currently around 30c, so it costs heavy truck businesses 20c/litre less than regular road users.
-----------------------------------T

he reduction in the FTCs for heavy vehicles on a public road is a road user charge (RUC). This charge aims to ensure that the operators of heavy vehicles pay their share of the cost of constructing and maintaining roads.
The RUC is set independently of the fuel excise rate. To ensure national consistency, any change in the RUC rate is considered alongside state and territory heavy vehicle registration fees as part of the annual pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) heavy vehicle charge setting process. The calculation of the heavy vehicle share of government road expenditure costs and charge rates is performed by the National Transport Commission (NTC) who apply pricing principles designed to efficiently recover the cost of providing road infrastructure for heavy vehicles. Ultimately it is the Transport Minister that determines the RUC charge rate.

The RUC is sometimes referred to as ‘notional’ because it is collected through the excise included in the price of fuel rather than by directly charging heavy vehicle operators. The RUC is equal to the amount of the fuel excise that is not refunded to the business through FTCs. A consequence of collecting the RUC in this way is that the fuel-tax-based RUC cannot exceed the excise rate. If the RUC is set at a level higher than the excise rate, the FTC is reduced to zero and the notional RUC paid is limited to the excise paid.

A key advantage of governments recovering costs of heavy vehicle road use through the fuel tax system is that it is paid progressively through the year on a PAYGO basis rather than as a large annual fee.

Good research mate
 

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