The war against renewable energy

[nut]

People complaining about the cost of renewables whilst watching devastating fires in f$&king WINTER in LA…. Now that’s DUMB.

 

[1990crow]

People complaining about the cost of renewables whilst watching devastating fires in f$&king WINTER in LA…. Now that’s DUMB.

It's at the point now where if you're a conservative defending anti science and climate change policy, you're a vile, evil POS.

 

[1990crow]

Yeah, imagine if the Feds started down this path 10 years ago. Could have been so much further advanced. Now a nuclear deflection is the latest derailment.

The liberals simply cannot be elected. Australia will be destroyed if they get in.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

People complaining about the cost of renewables whilst watching devastating fires in f$&king WINTER in LA…. Now that’s DUMB.

An incompetent Governor and Mayor that have allowed more CO2 to be emitted from fires than what's emitted by all of those evil gas guzzling cars they are trying to ban.

 

[Power Raid]

People complaining about the cost of renewables whilst watching devastating fires in f$&king WINTER in LA…. Now that’s DUMB.

It's at the point now where if you're a conservative defending anti science and climate change policy, you're a vile, evil POS.

And here is the reality

“There is not one jurisdiction on the plant with a renewable energy strategy based on solar or wind the has clean energy. Unless of course it has significant access to hydro or nuclear”


So perhaps those anti technologies that work are what you suggest? Are you one of them?

 

[peetoo]

And here is the reality

“There is not one jurisdiction on the plant with a renewable energy strategy based on solar or wind the has clean energy. Unless of course it has significant access to hydro or nuclear”


So perhaps those anti technologies that work are what you suggest? Are you one of them?

E
If a country has nuclear already, by all means use it in transition, much as we are using coal and gas

But stop telling us it will be cheaper in australia, it most certainly won’t

Hinkley C: UK nuclear plant price tag could rocket by a third

EDF says final costs could soar by about a third as it faces a delayed completion date.

www.bbc.com

 

[Power Raid]

E
If a country has nuclear already, by all means use it in transition, much as we are using coal and gas

But stop telling us it will be cheaper in australia, it most certainly won’t

Hinkley C: UK nuclear plant price tag could rocket by a third

EDF says final costs could soar by about a third as it faces a delayed completion date.

www.bbc.com

I do not advocate we should build a Gen 3.5 reactor

Truth and reality are important in debates

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

It's at the point now where if you're a conservative defending anti science and climate change policy, you're a vile, evil POS.

Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom are trying to blame climate change for their incompetence. Don't be fooled. They are evil pieces of shit.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I still think Gas is the best transition for us, because its a quarter the CO2 of Brown Coal ( if done right ) and can switch on and off pretty well with renewables .
If we just had the gas generation NOW instead of coal we'd be one of the cleanest countries on the planet but.


BUT :
Victoria ran themselves out of gas.
We run decrepit old gas turbines ( 2nd hand from NZ ffs ) that aren't very efficient.
If anyone suggests building a new one purists scream about it not being renewable.

 

[nut]

“There is not one jurisdiction on the plant with a renewable energy strategy based on solar or wind the has clean energy. Unless of course it has significant access to hydro or nuclear”

You keep parroting this crap over and over …. Large scale batteries are only 7 years in the making.
We will have a mix including Hydro… but there is no obstacle in the way of 100% Solar wind and battery …. It just takes time.
Technologies improving everyday…. Prices continue to fall. Battery life continues to get better…

 

[SaintsSeptember]

You keep parroting this crap over and over …. Large scale batteries are only 7 years in the making.
We will have a mix including Hydro… but there is no obstacle in the way of 100% Solar wind and battery …. It just takes time.
Technologies improving everyday…. Prices continue to fall. Battery life continues to get better…

Have your recently gained a clue or two about how much battery we need?

 

[nut]

Have your recently gained a clue or two about how much battery we need?

I know our battery capacity is increasing at an amazing rate… I also know that a high % of demand at night can be met by wind, with batteries backing it up.
It’s the peak demand at the moment that battery storage is having an enormous impact and smashing the need for gas… basically no large spikes in December and so far in Jan.. where I am. The need for gas will non existent 95% of the time. That’s the plan.
The crap Power Raid keeps parroting is just DUMB… we aren’t going to be 100% wind and solar but it is possible… it’s just mathematics.
It’s always sunny or windy somewhere… and solar still works when’s it’s cloudy.

Most of the new solar farms are being built now include storage like the one at Wangaratta…

Snowy 2, plus the Hydro we already have won’t even be needed most of the time.

There is so much solar presently being wasted with curtailment, this wasted generation will be absorbed more and more by batteries and EVs.
Using EVs for power to load and power to grid will also have a massive impact on house hold demand.
Large batteries now approaching $200 a KWh including installation… which is 5c a Kilowatt with 4000 cycles (conservative figure).
Sodium batteries will decrease storage costs by another 30%.
The only hurdle is the time it takes to build the capacity up.

 

[Boxo004]

Nut is Chris Bowen

 

[nut]

Nut is Chris Bowen

Well id make more money and get a better return on my Solar and battery if Dutton wins and slows down the transition and we have more spikes from old coal ..

 

[Power Raid]

I know our battery capacity is increasing at an amazing rate… I also know that a high % of demand at night can be met by wind, with batteries backing it up.
It’s the peak demand at the moment that battery storage is having an enormous impact and smashing the need for gas… basically no large spikes in December and so far in Jan.. where I am. The need for gas will non existent 95% of the time. That’s the plan.
The crap Power Raid keeps parroting is just DUMB… we aren’t going to be 100% wind and solar but it is possible… it’s just mathematics.
It’s always sunny or windy somewhere… and solar still works when’s it’s cloudy.

Most of the new solar farms are being built now include storage like the one at Wangaratta…

Snowy 2, plus the Hydro we already have won’t even be needed most of the time.

There is so much solar presently being wasted with curtailment, this wasted generation will be absorbed more and more by batteries and EVs.
Using EVs for power to load and power to grid will also have a massive impact on house hold demand.
Large batteries now approaching $200 a KWh including installation… which is 5c a Kilowatt with 4000 cycles (conservative figure).
Sodium batteries will decrease storage costs by another 30%.
The only hurdle is the time it takes to build the capacity up.

How much time do we need for this to become a reality in a climate emergency?

Remember we are already 40 years behind world leaders who achieved clean energy in the 70s and 80s AND have cheap power

 

[Power Raid]

I know our battery capacity is increasing at an amazing rate… I also know that a high % of demand at night can be met by wind, with batteries backing it up.
It’s the peak demand at the moment that battery storage is having an enormous impact and smashing the need for gas… basically no large spikes in December and so far in Jan.. where I am. The need for gas will non existent 95% of the time. That’s the plan.
The crap Power Raid keeps parroting is just DUMB… we aren’t going to be 100% wind and solar but it is possible… it’s just mathematics.
It’s always sunny or windy somewhere… and solar still works when’s it’s cloudy.

Most of the new solar farms are being built now include storage like the one at Wangaratta…

Snowy 2, plus the Hydro we already have won’t even be needed most of the time.

There is so much solar presently being wasted with curtailment, this wasted generation will be absorbed more and more by batteries and EVs.
Using EVs for power to load and power to grid will also have a massive impact on house hold demand.
Large batteries now approaching $200 a KWh including installation… which is 5c a Kilowatt with 4000 cycles (conservative figure).
Sodium batteries will decrease storage costs by another 30%.
The only hurdle is the time it takes to build the capacity up.

How many gigawatt hours do we need for batteries to achieve your stated goal?

The facts is where you seem to avoid. Answering that and we probably aren’t too different in our views.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

How much time do we need for this to become a reality in a climate emergency?

Remember we are already 40 years behind world leaders who achieved clean energy in the 70s and 80s AND have cheap power

It really doesn't make much difference how Australia responds to the climate emergency.
Last year China INCREASED their CO2 emissions by around 40 years worth of Aussie emissions.
At least we are reducing ours. I think.

The planet doesn't care who is doing the right thing. California have the least CO2 from their electricity in the United States.

 

[nut]

How much time do we need for this to become a reality in a climate emergency?

Name a faster option? That doesn’t involve prolonging the use of Coal?

 

[nut]

Last year China INCREASED their CO2 emissions by around 40 years worth of Aussie emissions.

China has less emissions per capita than us… the planet doesn’t care about it borders

 

[peetoo]

Petty politics aside, I reckon we need t understand everything about the California fire tragedy

Thos burnt suburbs look a lot like ours. Surely the causes etc are a risk here

‘Hydroclimate whiplash’: The new phenomenon unleashing deadly fires on our cities — The Sydney Morning Herald

Scientists from LA confirmed this see-sawing weather pattern is what set their city ablaze. And the same phenomenon threatens Australia.

apple.news

 

[Gough]

Petty politics aside, I reckon we need t understand everything about the California fire tragedy

Thos burnt suburbs look a lot like ours. Surely the causes etc are a risk here

‘Hydroclimate whiplash’: The new phenomenon unleashing deadly fires on our cities — The Sydney Morning Herald

Scientists from LA confirmed this see-sawing weather pattern is what set their city ablaze. And the same phenomenon threatens Australia.

apple.news

Facing bushfires honestly is not something the Australian politicians do when they're too busy pretending the biggest driver of them doesn't exist in case they offend the mining lobby.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

China has less emissions per capita than us… the planet doesn’t care about it borders

The planet doesn't care about "per capita" China is INCREASING its emissions. China is putting out a lot of emissions.
The island of Palau in the pacific has around 3 times the emissions per capita of Australia.

Can you accept that the island of Palau is really insignificant in the grand scheme?
Show me any mathematics to suggest that Australia is any more significant.
If you nuked Australia tomorrow, and we put out no more CO2 in future, it wouldn't make any difference to what is happening globally.

China stupidly bred themselves into a state of overpopulation, they acknowledged that and took steps to stop it, but that doesn't automatically give them the right to fill the atmosphere with CO2.

In 2024 the world emitted 37.4 Billion tons of CO2 from fossel fuels. Nearly 1% higher than 2023.
more than 10 of those Billions came from China.
The USA around 5 Billion.
India around 2.9 Billion.
Russia 2 Billion.
Japan 0.8 Billion or less.

Australia around 0.44 Billion.
International Shipping 0.7 Billion ( and increasing ).
Air transport - around a Billion.

If you arrive here from outer space with the task to stop us putting CO2 into the atmosphere, you'd be pretty stupid to put much focus on Australia.

Australia has reduced their emissions since 2005. The world has increased them by 37 Billion Tons.

China should soon be to the point where their emissions start going down, but they will still be pumping out around 10 Billion tons per year every year.

If you are on a boat and its taking on water at 300 litres per minute, ( a drum and a half ) the leak up our end of the boat is 4 litres.

By the way, Australia's CO2 per capita has been dropping fast, ( probably due to immigration and de-industrialization as much as anything else ), its currently the lowest its been since the 80s.
The CO2 per capita in China is still increasing.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Facing bushfires honestly is not something the Australian politicians do when they're too busy pretending the biggest driver of them doesn't exist in case they offend the mining lobby.

Our politicians aren't able to do anything about it.
See above.

 

[swingdog]

Our politicians aren't able to do anything about it.
See above.

Assuming you also think that the UK, Italy, France, Spain, UAE, Qatar etc. shouldn't bother doing anything.

 

[Grin]

The planet doesn't care about "per capita" China is INCREASING its emissions. China is putting out a lot of emissions.
The island of Palau in the pacific has around 3 times the emissions per capita of Australia.

Can you accept that the island of Palau is really insignificant in the grand scheme?
Show me any mathematics to suggest that Australia is any more significant.
If you nuked Australia tomorrow, and we put out no more CO2 in future, it wouldn't make any difference to what is happening globally.

China stupidly bred themselves into a state of overpopulation, they acknowledged that and took steps to stop it, but that doesn't automatically give them the right to fill the atmosphere with CO2.

In 2024 the world emitted 37.4 Billion tons of CO2 from fossel fuels. Nearly 1% higher than 2023.
more than 10 of those Billions came from China.
The USA around 5 Billion.
India around 2.9 Billion.
Russia 2 Billion.
Japan 0.8 Billion or less.

Australia around 0.44 Billion.
International Shipping 0.7 Billion ( and increasing ).
Air transport - around a Billion.

If you arrive here from outer space with the task to stop us putting CO2 into the atmosphere, you'd be pretty stupid to put much focus on Australia.

Australia has reduced their emissions since 2005. The world has increased them by 37 Billion Tons.

China should soon be to the point where their emissions start going down, but they will still be pumping out around 10 Billion tons per year every year.

If you are on a boat and its taking on water at 300 litres per minute, ( a drum and a half ) the leak up our end of the boat is 4 litres.

By the way, Australia's CO2 per capita has been dropping fast, ( probably due to immigration and de-industrialization as much as anything else ), its currently the lowest its been since the 80s.
The CO2 per capita in China is still increasing.

Yes yes. Murdoch has instructed its drones to mindlessly regurgitate this fallacy as loudly and whingy, wherever possible.
Do you also think no individual should pay tax?