The Western Bulldogs Next Coach

[Mutt]

And that is setting aside the other perception also in the article, that Monty is a traitorous backstabber, and seems to have a habit of knifing his boss...(no statement from me on accuracy of this).

And also setting aside the view expressed in the article that Monty is tarnished and has baggage just by being at the club when all this crap went down, and that a fresh start may be best.

If Monty's political acumen can overcome all of these obstacles, he is the next Sheedy.

I see that Sportsbet have reopened betting on our next coach:

 

[BRWB]

And I'll say it again, I really want Lenny Hayes on our coaching panel next year, should have empathy with our senior players (having just been through virtually same shit) and respect of all, would be a masive get. Hayes has been on a coaching pathway with Gia for years too.

 

[BRWB]

I see that Sportsbet have reopened betting on our next coach:

Yep thanks, have loaded up to max allowable return for Choc and Tudor. Monty a smoky for GC at 41/1, took a piece of that too!!

 

[cleveland]

do I back tudor?

 

[go you pups]

My Dad the dumb campaigner reckons he has "inside knowledge" that it will be Stewie Dew.

Last week he said it was Bomber Thompson.

I'm just loling at him at the moment.

 

[wian]

It better not be Sumich. Cant stand him ! lol !

 

[yebiga]

Wharfie_187
Made the follow response on the port board to my question re choco - I think worth a read


↑Yebiga
Sorry to intrude guys
But given my club is looking for a new coach and given our recent fractures a mature coach maybe required.

What is the general view of Mark Choco Williams? Do you think he would still be up to it?
Was he a divisive figure at your club a d why has nt he been give another go at a senior position?
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Wwharfie
He has football blood running in his veins. He's a smart man and a passionate premiership winning coach. Sometimes that passion clouds his judgement, he can become very authoritarian and he does like to have strong control of many elements of the running of a club. If your footy ops administration is strong and can resist his dabbling or at least sift and incorporate his good ideas then that will help.

He should be good with a young list he can sculpt and with Boyd there he can set up a workable forward structure. He can be ruthless early with his building of the team but tends to get very loyal to those players he's been around for a while which can get difficult for supporters.

He will try to predict or create football trends and he does believe he can 'fix' flaws in any players leading to some odd recruiting decisions.

I wouldn't call him divisive, after 2007 and the club's decline it would have been best if he and a few players moved on sooner. He became increasingly frustrated at the slide and the lack of money at the club to run it effectively. Too few were doing too much and a weak divided board messed things up.

Sacked senior coaches find it hard to get another gig in AFL, that may be a weakness of the system rather than the person. Choco has strong views that probably wouldn't sit well with an entire selection panel and he can rub people up the wrong way. You have to be a strong character to go the journey with him.

On the other hand he enjoys a good relationship with some media people, he's always good for a quote and he can be very personable.

I would like to see him coaching again.

 

[_Mike_]

I still like the possibility of Mark Williams. He has the ability to take our list to the next level. Plenty of coaches who have been sacked from one club have gone on to have prosperous stints at other clubs (Eade from Swans to us)

IMO Williams then Tudor is a reasonable path

 

[BRWB]

Wharfie_187
Made the follow response on the port board to my question re choco - I think worth a read


↑Yebiga
Sorry to intrude guys
But given my club is looking for a new coach and given our recent fractures a mature coach maybe required.

What is the general view of Mark Choco Williams? Do you think he would still be up to it?
Was he a divisive figure at your club a d why has nt he been give another go at a senior position?
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Wwharfie
He has football blood running in his veins. He's a smart man and a passionate premiership winning coach. Sometimes that passion clouds his judgement, he can become very authoritarian and he does like to have strong control of many elements of the running of a club. If your footy ops administration is strong and can resist his dabbling or at least sift and incorporate his good ideas then that will help.

He should be good with a young list he can sculpt and with Boyd there he can set up a workable forward structure. He can be ruthless early with his building of the team but tends to get very loyal to those players he's been around for a while which can get difficult for supporters.

He will try to predict or create football trends and he does believe he can 'fix' flaws in any players leading to some odd recruiting decisions.

I wouldn't call him divisive, after 2007 and the club's decline it would have been best if he and a few players moved on sooner. He became increasingly frustrated at the slide and the lack of money at the club to run it effectively. Too few were doing too much and a weak divided board messed things up.

Sacked senior coaches find it hard to get another gig in AFL, that may be a weakness of the system rather than the person. Choco has strong views that probably wouldn't sit well with an entire selection panel and he can rub people up the wrong way. You have to be a strong character to go the journey with him.

On the other hand he enjoys a good relationship with some media people, he's always good for a quote and he can be very personable.

I would like to see him coaching again.

Great feedback, some of that sounds similar to Eade.

No problem with strong characters with him with Gordon and Grant. Question over footy manager (Lowe) and Garlick ability to manage Williams, they couldn't manage Macca, but then that question may be moot.

 

[Nath09]

+1 for Williams

-1 for Sumich. Guy struggles to string a sentence together.

 

[dergert]

Luke Beveridge anyone?

 

[Royale]

Whichever coach, absolute must have is some bloody tactical nous.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

He failed last time though.

By that logic Ross Lyon is a failure as a coach as he's never won a flag.

 

[ThirdLegUp]

So, what do you actually know about Sumich?
Add this up: Twice premiership player, Coleman Medallist, WAFL Coach, Assistant coach in charge of every line, Senior assistant for three GFs - 1 premiership. Freo has wiped the soft Eagirls edges off him under Ross Lyon.
Most importantly - ALL (not just young or just older) players have respect for him.

Get your heads out of the nepotism (Montgomery, West) and the boys club roundabout (Ratten ffs, Williams, Eade). Time for fresh thinking. Tudor or Sumich are the best options but it's very hard to go past Sumich's CV on experience and achievement......... unless of course it becomes a "we can't appoint a west aussie" thing??? Perhaps there comes a time when people get away from who they "like" and become a whole lot more interested in putting together a winning team.

If the Bullies are serious, they will not fugg this up again. APPOINT SUMICH AND YOU WILL HAVE GOT EVERYTHING RIGHT SINCE SEPTEMBER!

Summa...Sumiichhh...nooope, doesn't ring a bell... sounds like a wog boy...didn't he play soccer?

Are you ****ing serious!!!?? I watched his whole Career, of course i know who Sumich is for **** sake... i hated his ****ing guts as a player, since he no longer plays i simply dislike him, he is not a phobia to be overcome, Bulldocker, by letting him crawl on my hand. I don't like the guy, he could send me his CV, i wouldn't like him. But i am not the bulldogs, just a supporter, so don't frett too much, i doubt my opinion will sway the club any.

 

[ThirdLegUp]

Sorry mutt. Haven't followed the coaching stuff. What's the cafe issue?

Mutt is sooking because his coffee didn't have a bulldog drawn into the foam

But, essentially, Gordons wife, and Monty's wife are major part owners of the bulldog pound Cafe at the Kennel. While Gordons wife donates all her profits to the club, Monty's wife does not. Conflict of interests and all that should Monty get the head coaching role, plus Hunters mum is banned...

 

[BRWB]

Summa...Sumiichhh...nooope, doesn't ring a bell... sounds like a wog boy...didn't he play soccer?

Are you ******* serious!!!?? I watched his whole Career, of course i know who Sumich is for **** sake... i hated his ******* guts as a player, since he no longer plays i simply dislike him, he is not a phobia to be overcome, Bulldocker, by letting him crawl on my hand. I don't like the guy, he could send me his CV, i wouldn't like him. But i am not the bulldogs, just a supporter, so don't frett too much, i doubt my opinion will sway the club any.

I lived in Perth for 10 years and was well aquainted with Suma's profile, sounds a bit dopey. Regularly seemed to get narky about being overlooked for roles. http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/peter-sumich-takes-aim-at-eagles-board-20131004-2uyux.html

He just seems to be a bit of a tool.

The thing that rules him out for me (and Woosha), he was at the Eagles when the drug culture was developed. Bomber is ruled out for similar reasons.

 

[Tommycash]

He has football blood running in his veins. He's a smart man and a passionate premiership winning coach. Sometimes that passion clouds his judgement, he can become very authoritarian and he does like to have strong control of many elements of the running of a club. If your footy ops administration is strong and can resist his dabbling or at least sift and incorporate his good ideas then that will help.

Yowser. Sounds like what killed Macca.

 

[cleveland]

Tudor is our man.....Tudor is our man


I dont want anyone else...certainly not matk willams

 

[Aldo]

Summa...Sumiichhh...nooope, doesn't ring a bell... sounds like a wog boy...didn't he play soccer?

Are you ******* serious!!!?? I watched his whole Career, of course i know who Sumich is for **** sake... i hated his ******* guts as a player, since he no longer plays i simply dislike him, he is not a phobia to be overcome, Bulldocker, by letting him crawl on my hand. I don't like the guy, he could send me his CV, i wouldn't like him. But i am not the bulldogs, just a supporter, so don't frett too much, i doubt my opinion will sway the club any.

Him getting all bitter and sooking it up in public about not getting the Eagles job wasn't a good look either.

 

[trophies]

Summa...Sumiichhh...nooope, doesn't ring a bell... sounds like a wog boy...didn't he play soccer?

Are you ******* serious!!!?? I watched his whole Career, of course i know who Sumich is for **** sake... i hated his ******* guts as a player, since he no longer plays i simply dislike him, he is not a phobia to be overcome, Bulldocker, by letting him crawl on my hand. I don't like the guy, he could send me his CV, i wouldn't like him. But i am not the bulldogs, just a supporter, so don't frett too much, i doubt my opinion will sway the club any.

So you don't like him. WTF has that got to do with it? Is likeability and popularity somewhere in the selection criteria?
This is a professional appointment to an important and senior position. I certainly hope that the selection has a major focus on facts and verifiable performance rather than flippant and baseless impressions.

 

[Sharkey66]

Yowser. Sounds like what killed Macca.

Was thinking the exact same thing

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

As a collective we seem to be looking for some sort of perfect super-coach. It just isn't going to happen. Every single candidate has flaws and weaknesses. Every single AFL coach has flaws and weaknesses. That's the entire point of an assistant coaching panel; a group of people that can help cover the weaknesses of the head coach and allow him or her to coach to their strengths. We seem to be honing in on tiny little flaws in every single candidate and saying, "Well, he's shit, I won't stand for him being in charge of this club!"

Fun fact: Ken Hinkley was considered one of the weaker candidates in 2012. He was overlooked numerous times as there were concerns over his presentation to the media, his temperament, and, if I recall correctly, his ability to form relationships with players - funnily enough, some of the issues that we've seen arise when assessing some of our candidates. Many even viewed him as the "last man standing" and suggested that Port made the appointment because all of their other choices had been signed elsewhere. He improved his media presentation tenfold, and was surrounded with experienced, talented assistants that allowed him to play to his tactical strengths.

At the end of the day, the best coach will be somebody whose flaws as a coach and person can best be covered, improved, or mitigated in some other way; not somebody who simply doesn't have flaws. If we were to go into the interviews thinking, "Right, well, prospect X might not be the best judge of U18 talent, so he's out," we would never be happy enough with a candidate to appoint them. Instead, the mentality should and will be, "Well, prospect X might not be the best judge of U18 talent...but can we mitigate that by surrounding him with experienced, qualified adjudicators of talent and ensuring he does not need to have much input into the selection process?" I don't think it's about seeing flaws and moving on; it's more about comparing one's flaws to those of others, seeing whether they have enough strengths to account for them, and deciding whether the weaknesses can be minimised by strong, suitable assistants and other staff.

 

[Nath09]

As a collective we seem to be looking for some sort of perfect super-coach. It just isn't going to happen. Every single candidate has flaws and weaknesses. Every single AFL coach has flaws and weaknesses. That's the entire point of an assistant coaching panel; a group of people that can help cover the weaknesses of the head coach and allow him or her to coach to their strengths. We seem to be honing in on tiny little flaws in every single candidate and saying, "Well, he's shit, I won't stand for him being in charge of this club!"

Lachie Hunter's mum for head coach!

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

The forgotten man - Gia - not as senior coach obviously, but he was going to be Macca's apprentice. If the new coach wants to appoint his own assistants, what next for Gia? Would love to hear his take on all this

 

[gimp!]

By that logic Ross Lyon is a failure as a coach as he's never won a flag.

Er, yep.