The Worsfold coaching situation mega-thread, now 3 times as mega!

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He speaks for the majority of people on here and your the exception. Scott has done a great job at Fremantle and will be a success like his twin brother. Very disappointing if he does go to Geelong as he could have been our coach.

Wrong on all accounts. If people on this board want Chris Scott as coach they are free to post that. How many people have asked for Chris Scott to be our coach before today? Answer: none. Don't put words in our mouths, we are quite capable of posting for ourselves.
 
They totally over hauled their recruiting and development programs by greatly expanding them with manpower, getting the best people to add to them, having a good look at their program, method and philosophy. They got aggressive at going after other clubs players (they might not have gotten any but they tried). They had a good long look at their playing list. I am sure they had good long look at Malthouse aswell.

It's not just the outcome, it's the process. They looked at everything and they put a rocket up everyone at the club and made sure they got the message - this is not good enough. So sure they kept Malthouse. But the point is that they had a very thorough review and they used a very well considered and scientific process.

If the people running the eagles were more competent like say Brian Cook and change oriented and they weren't IMO operating on the basis of political alliances and mateships and they had a review that i thought was well conducted and impartial and they then came out and said

"We had a good long look at John Worsfold with a balanced view, we considered all the factors - positive and negative. We weighed up the fact that he has been here for 10 years and staleness and fatigue might be an issue, the fact that not only one or two but a majority our young players are not developing in the way we want, that the game plan looks well short of being effective, the fact that the effort level and intensity is not what we want it to be. We also weighed up the positives <insert whatever you think the poistives of Worsfold's coaching are>. And we came to the conclusion that the best thing for the club is for John to continue in the role for at least another year for the following reasons ..."

then i might be hapy with that. Because even if they came to a different conclusion than me at least they are looking at the same factors and facts i am looking at. At least theri eyes are open and they are following an intelligent proicess. At least they are open to change and willing to implement it. And therefore, if that was the case if they are wrong they will quickly recognise it and change course. But when people refuse to acknowledge the facts and realities, refuse to articulate a plan, blame everything on external factors, refuse to give reasons for he decisions they make, refuse to recognise the size and urgency of the problems etc etc then i have no confidence in the decisions they are making.

They won't have a real review because they might not like what it finds. They won't articulate a plan because they don't have one. They won't give reasons for decisions because they don't have intelligent reasons. They won't recognise the problems because they don't know what to do about those problems. They won't look in the mirror because they might not like what they see. It's easier to blame external factors.


i would have to agree with a fair bit of this. thnakyou for articulating your thoughts rather just simply yelling "you're wrong fanboi" whilst stomping your foot
 
He speaks for the majority of people on here and your the exception. Scott has done a great job at Fremantle and will be a success like his twin brother. Very disappointing if he does go to Geelong as he could have been our coach.

Actually I believe he speaks for only himself.
How has he been a success as an AFL coach? He hasn't achieved anything.
I believe next year we will improve rapidly with John Worsfold at the helm and I'll be quoting back to you many of your ridiculous posts. Keep em coming einstein.
 
He speaks for the majority of people on here and your the exception. Scott has done a great job at Fremantle and will be a success like his twin brother. Very disappointing if he does go to Geelong as he could have been our coach.

What success is that?

For either of them?

It's very hard to pinpoint or attribute success to an assistant coach.

The comment 'another one passes by' is ridiculous.

Woosha may or may not be shown the door next year - but to get upset that we didn't get Chris is Scott is erroneous.

If it was Matthews or Malthouse - then sure, that's quality you don't want to pass you by.

But if it's an untried coach - then there are plenty of untried coaches with good pedigree. As mentioned earlier - Scott Watters - and it wouldn't be a surprise to see him coaching us come 2012

I might add - I read on some forums people were annoyed we didn't get Mzunga - i must be in another world when we get upset that we didn't get a mid 20's WAFL player of reasonable quality. Ben McKinley was a quality WAFL player - no one is upset we lost him

There's plenty to be pissed off about - but it does seem to me people will find random things to upset themselves with.
 
Actually I believe he speaks for only himself.
How has he been a success as an AFL coach? He hasn't achieved anything.
I believe next year we will improve rapidly with John Worsfold at the helm and I'll be quoting back to you many of your ridiculous posts. Keep em coming einstein.

Yeah your posts are shithouse mate, you keep backing Worsfold even though it's clear he's lost the players and any idea on how to coach the side. If we do improve next year if won't be because of Worsfold, it'll be the players not his ****ing coaching.
 

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Yeah your posts are shithouse mate, you keep backing Worsfold even though it's clear he's lost the players and any idea on how to coach the side. If we do improve next year if won't be because of Worsfold, it'll be the players not his ****ing coaching.

But that's exactly what are all coaches are judged on. Worsfold has rebuilt the club with these new players. If they start winning games - Worsfold deserves all the credit (just how he will cop it if the team continues to lose).
 
What success is that?

For either of them?

It's very hard to pinpoint or attribute success to an assistant coach.

The comment 'another one passes by' is ridiculous.

Woosha may or may not be shown the door next year - but to get upset that we didn't get Chris is Scott is erroneous.

If it was Matthews or Malthouse - then sure, that's quality you don't want to pass you by.

But if it's an untried coach - then there are plenty of untried coaches with good pedigree. As mentioned earlier - Scott Watters - and it wouldn't be a surprise to see him coaching us come 2012

I might add - I read on some forums people were annoyed we didn't get Mzunga - i must be in another world when we get upset that we didn't get a mid 20's WAFL player of reasonable quality. Ben McKinley was a quality WAFL player - no one is upset we lost him

There's plenty to be pissed off about - but it does seem to me people will find random things to upset themselves with.

Well Chris Scott has worked under Malthouse and has worked with good people at Fremantle and they have both been successful clubs for the most part, most assistants who have worked under Malthouse have gone onto bigger and better things. Laidley was a success at North for instance. As will Buckley in 2012.
 
Yeah your posts are shithouse mate, you keep backing Worsfold even though it's clear he's lost the players and any idea on how to coach the side. If we do improve next year if won't be because of Worsfold, it'll be the players not his ****ing coaching.
on the contrary. the effort in last few games of the season is clear that he hasnt actually lost the players. usually when this happens there are things in media (similar to what happened at essendon).

but i like your general posting....players play well, all down to players....players play bad, all down to coach.
 
But that's exactly what are all coaches are judged on. Worsfold has rebuilt the club with these new players. If they start winning games - Worsfold deserves all the credit (just how he will cop it if the team continues to lose).

I fear that Ebert, Masten and to an extent Tom Swift are in danger of really not getting any better at this club. The coaching they have been given so far has turned them out all wrong.
Shuey and Sheppard are naturally skilled players and have the abillity to move the club in the right direction. The defence is a huge worry, big gaping holes back there.
 
on the contrary. the effort in last few games of the season is clear that he hasnt actually lost the players. usually when this happens there are things in media (similar to what happened at essendon).

but i like your general posting....players play well, all down to players....players play bad, all down to coach.

The players do have to take some of the blame but our coaching and skills department hasn't taken this club where it should be now.
 
I fear that Ebert, Masten and to an extent Tom Swift are in danger of really not getting any better at this club. The coaching they have been given so far has turned them out all wrong.
Shuey and Sheppard are naturally skilled players and have the abillity to move the club in the right direction. The defence is a huge worry, big gaping holes back there.

You do realise this is the same club that coached the champion trio of Judd, Kerr and Cousins? WC knows how to develop players. Almost 3 brownlows right there.

Josh Kennedy came on a lot this season after struggling at Carlton. Shannon Hurn has become a weapon. Lecras has been coached into a gun.

Give the younger players time, its cliche but its correct. Most errors made are corrected over time with fitness and awareness which takes years to develop.
 
You do realise this is the same club that coached the champion trio of Judd, Kerr and Cousins? WC knows how to develop players. Almost 3 brownlows right there.

Josh Kennedy came on a lot this season after struggling at Carlton. Shannon Hurn has become a weapon. Lecras has been coached into a gun.

Give the younger players time, its cliche but its correct. Most errors made are corrected over time with fitness and awareness which takes years to develop.

Swift has time on his side but what about Masten? Ebert did do some good things this season but canceled that out with some ordinary stuff.

Kennedy, Hurn and LeCras are naturally gifted players and it wasn't our coaching staff that got them up and running. Whoever changed Kennedy's run-up during the season needs a backhander though.
 
He speaks for the majority of people on here and your the exception. Scott has done a great job at Fremantle and will be a success like his twin brother. Very disappointing if he does go to Geelong as he could have been our coach.

It seems I am not alone.
So with your logic if we improve next year it has nothing to do with the coach and if we don't it's all to do with the coach.
Try thinking for a change!
 
Swift has time on his side but what about Masten? Ebert did do some good things this season but canceled that out with some ordinary stuff.

Kennedy, Hurn and LeCras are naturally gifted players and it wasn't our coaching staff that got them up and running. Whoever changed Kennedy's run-up during the season needs a backhander though.

Ya mean Kennedy should back hand himself.
 
I think Josh may have to give himself a backhander in that case.

Interesting that when players are doing well it's because they're naturally gifted, but when they struggle it's due to the coaching. Such a thankless task, who'd be a coach?

Edit: Holy crap Swifty, get outta my head will ya?
 
The players do have to take some of the blame but our coaching and skills department hasn't taken this club where it should be now.
prime examples of teams recently to have been in similar predicaments to us to rise are essendon and carlton. what makes us better club at rebuilding than these? none and they took/are taking alot longer than 3 years to rebuild. melbourne have also been rebuilding a couple of years longer than us (but have also had the top draft picks and not to mention senior players who are actually good). lets not kid ourselves at how long it will take.
 
I think Josh may have to give himself a backhander in that case.

Interesting that when players are doing well it's because they're naturally gifted, but when they struggle it's due to the coaching. Such a thankless task, who'd be a coach?

Edit: Holy crap Swifty, get outta my head will ya?

No worries, I'm off to the beach with the kids!
 

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