The Worst Trade Ever

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What did Geelong get for trading Greg Williams to Sydney? Whatever it was, it was not enough

You were in financial problems. Edeltsen gave your club a ton of money to take Toohey, Williams and Bolton off your hands. Tom Hafey that coached them all probably was involved in talking the players up to Sydney.
Not sure you got draft picks for them or players. This was 1986. Biggest off season ever. Not sure if salary cap had started then but in 1987 was first proper draft the league ran at end of the season. They went from 3rd last on ladder to 2nd the next season. You guys just out of finals in last year Williams, Toohey and Bolton played in your team and ended up 4th last the next season.
Given it got Geelong out of financial problems not worst trade in world.

Bit on it below just found found from Wiki and also bit part of newspaper article from Age from years ago.

On 31 July 1985, for what was thought to be $6.3 million, Geoffrey Edelsten "bought" the Swans; in reality it was $2.9 million in cash with funding and other payments spread over five years. Edelsten resigned as chairman in less than twelve months, but had already made his mark. He immediately recruited former Geelong coach Tom Hafey. Hafey, in turn, used his knowledge of Geelong's contracts to recruit David Bolton, Bernard Toohey and Greg Williams, who would all form a key part of the Sydney side, at a league-determined total fee of $240,000 (less than the $500,000 Geelong demanded and even the $300,000 Sydney offered). The likes of Gerard Healy, Merv Neagle and Paul Morwood were also poached from other clubs, and failed approaches were made to Simon Madden, Terry Daniher, Andrew Bews and Maurice Rioli.

Edelsten said he made the right call in signing Hafey. He also also lured the likes of Gerard Healy, then with Melbourne, Geelong trio Greg Williams, David Bolton and Bernard Toohey, Essendon's Merv Neagle and Footscray captain Jim Edmund to Sydney in lucrative deals. He also ensured emerging full-forward Warwick Capper remained at the club.

Reports at the time suggested Edelsten had spent $2 million on players. The salary cap was $1.2 million.

''I knew Sydney did not follow a team that wasn't successful. It became glamorous when we were winning games and Warwick Capper was taking speccie marks and kicking 100 goals,'' Edelsten said.

''The sore point was the salary cap being strictly enforced, no allowance being for extra costs for living in Sydney or relocation of players.

''That was grossly unfair and affected people like Maurice Rioli and Paul Morwood. I still today have a feeling of grief over Paul Morwood that he couldn't play and was left out and there was nothing he could do.''

The Swans would make the finals in 1986-87, but Edelsten's time would only last until July '86 .

It was reported that he was squeezed out by the new owners of Powerplay, the club's controlling company. But a police investigation into Edelsten's links with hitman Christopher Dale Flannery is believed to also have played a role in his demise.
 
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I like to think the worst trades are the ones where you think after, well, what was the point!, nobody wins, or everyone loses. McKee and pick 3 for King and Pick 7 Collingwood and Richmond 1999 trade period. That turned out to be nothing all round with players and draft picks.

But then you never would've had the chance to laugh about Richmond taking Fiora over Pavlich.
 

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Quinlan to Fitzroy.
Trade was before my time but as kid growing up seeing Bernie Quinlan play as tall running mid with true superboot and then move to full forward later to kick a ton, it is incredible to think another club let him go.

I could be wrong but think Bulldogs had three players leave their club in that time and win a Brownlow.
Quinlan, Barry Round and Brian Wilson.
 
Quinlan to Fitzroy.
Trade was before my time but as kid growing up seeing Bernie Quinlan play as tall running mid with true superboot and then move to full forward later to kick a ton, it is incredible to think another club let him go.

I could be wrong but think Bulldogs had three players leave their club in that time and win a Brownlow.
Quinlan, Barry Round and Brian Wilson.

Those were the days when transfer fees were involved.

Dogs were in financial trouble, Fitzroy offered Footscray $70k for Quinlan. Huge money in the '70s.
 
Tippet's a joke right now, his contract just cost them Tom Mitchell, he's ruined the club for a decade.
If Franklin was a trade it would be right up there.
They just made the grand final, fair enough to have a crack if they are struggling but they were the second best team this year. Franklin and Tippett whilst the salary can be argued, the fact they didn't trade for either has been a big win for the swans.
 
Also can anyone tell me what Hawthorn have traded for Hale, Gibson and Burgoyne?

Certainly not THE worst trade ever (even as a collective), but am i right to say they've traded 6 pretty good picks for:
  • an average ruckman that was considered the #2 ruckman at Nth Ballarat last year in the vfl,
  • an ok mid sized defender and
  • a silky midfielder with a recent history (at time of trade) of injury, who's coming to the end of his career.
6 potentially decent youngsters would be preferable to what they'll get out of those 3....

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I reckon they did alright ;)
 
They just made the grand final, fair enough to have a crack if they are struggling but they were the second best team this year. Franklin and Tippett whilst the salary can be argued, the fact they didn't trade for either has been a big win for the swans.

Academy makes up for how terrible their list management is.

Imagine how good Hawthorn or Geelong or West Coast would be with an academy.
 
Also can anyone tell me what Hawthorn have traded for Hale, Gibson and Burgoyne?

Certainly not THE worst trade ever (even as a collective), but am i right to say they've traded 6 pretty good picks for:
  • an average ruckman that was considered the #2 ruckman at Nth Ballarat last year in the vfl,
  • an ok mid sized defender and
  • a silky midfielder with a recent history (at time of trade) of injury, who's coming to the end of his career.
6 potentially decent youngsters would be preferable to what they'll get out of those 3....

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And this is the mindset people forget when talking about our trading in 2016, thinking we pillaged these clubs for their stars, and equalisation doesn't work!
 

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That is the point. When it comes to trades they just throw money and hope.

Um that's wrong?
Mumford, Shaw, Richards, Kennedy, McGlynn, Sinclair etc all pretty savvy trades
They didn't trade for Franklin either

Kinda the same strategy as hawthorn paying a guy who's been out for 2 years huge sums of money
Or 500k a year for a ruck forward, same thing the swans did to get Tippett except a little more because he's a way better player
 
Academy makes up for how terrible their list management is.

Imagine how good Hawthorn or Geelong or West Coast would be with an academy.
That's a pretty embarrassing toy-throw by your good self.
 
Yeah that's what it was.

Wasnt simply me pointing out that the Swans are able to get top 5 draft picks while staying at the top of the table.
Well claiming that the Swans list management is "terrible" shows you're not being objective, as Sydney are definitely considered to be one of the better clubs in terms of list management.

I don't quite understand the obsession some people have with the Swans academy that has produced two decent players in the past 15 years of it's different iterations. There's another academy across town producing 2-3 times that number, every season..
 
Fevola to Brisbane

Carey to North

But Terry Daniher to Essendon ..that takes the biscuit.
This is the best trade we have ever made!!
For Neville Fields - a decent centreman on his last leg we got.
A young Terry Daniher - who went on to play 300 games - Captain a premiership - Captain of the Victorian Team. 3 x All Australian Team incl captain in 1985. (They didn't have All Australian every yer back then.) and now in the Hall of Fame
Neale Daniher - all ravaged by injury still managed to win a B & F at 19 and captain at 20.
These 2 then allowed us to lure Anthony Daniher - who went on to be All Australian Full Back.

And now under Father Son - Joe Daniher. The gift that keeps giving!
 
Quinlan to Fitzroy.
Trade was before my time but as kid growing up seeing Bernie Quinlan play as tall running mid with true superboot and then move to full forward later to kick a ton, it is incredible to think another club let him go.

I could be wrong but think Bulldogs had three players leave their club in that time and win a Brownlow.
Quinlan, Barry Round and Brian Wilson.

Had to basically sell players to keep the lights on.
 
This is the best trade we have ever made!!
For Neville Fields - a decent centreman on his last leg we got.
A young Terry Daniher - who went on to play 300 games - Captain a premiership - Captain of the Victorian Team. 3 x All Australian Team incl captain in 1985. (They didn't have All Australian every yer back then.) and now in the Hall of Fame
Neale Daniher - all ravaged by injury still managed to win a B & F at 19 and captain at 20.
These 2 then allowed us to lure Anthony Daniher - who went on to be All Australian Full Back.

And now under Father Son - Joe Daniher. The gift that keeps giving!


While Tom Fields managed 2 or 3 games for Carlton last year.
 
Not 100% certain of this, but I'm pretty sure we traded up in the draft one year so we could draft the son of Micheal Roach, he didn't play a game, in fact I don't think he even made it through pre season training, Danny was his name iirc.

Edit, he played one game for us, and netted one tackle, not sure if was the son of Micheal either.

We traded our pick 3 and Clinton King for pick 7 and Mckee, we used pick 7 on Roach, pick 3 that year was some dude named Pavlich.
 
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Well claiming that the Swans list management is "terrible" shows you're not being objective, as Sydney are definitely considered to be one of the better clubs in terms of list management.

I don't quite understand the obsession some people have with the Swans academy that has produced two decent players in the past 15 years of it's different iterations. There's another academy across town producing 2-3 times that number, every season..

Its the players they have got to make up for the terrible deals with Reid and Tippett and potentially terrible deal with Buddy.
 
Its the players they have got to make up for the terrible deals with Reid and Tippett and potentially terrible deal with Buddy.
What's terrible about Reid's deal? He's been good value for Sydney other than being injured this season. Tippett was pushing AA selection until his injury this season and his form last year was great. Buddy's deal is already past breaking even and could well go down as a masterstroke. One thing it's clearly not is terrible.

And the players we've "got to make up" for those deals - who are you referring to? Laidler? Jones? Hewett? Aliir? Sinclair? Rose? Talia? I'll leave out guys like Heeney and Mills for fear of poking the bear..

Your hatred of Sydney is clouding your judgement.
 
Well claiming that the Swans list management is "terrible" shows you're not being objective, as Sydney are definitely considered to be one of the better clubs in terms of list management.

I don't quite understand the obsession some people have with the Swans academy that has produced two decent players in the past 15 years of it's different iterations. There's another academy across town producing 2-3 times that number, every season..
Yes yours has a little more currency than theirs as i have no problem if the players come from genuinely NRL dominated areas but when its the Riverina that has a long and proud AFL history thats when its a joke
 
What's terrible about Reid's deal? He's been good value for Sydney other than being injured this season. Tippett was pushing AA selection until his injury this season and his form last year was great. Buddy's deal is already past breaking even and could well go down as a masterstroke. One thing it's clearly not is terrible.

And the players we've "got to make up" for those deals - who are you referring to? Laidler? Jones? Hewett? Aliir? Sinclair? Rose? Talia? I'll leave out guys like Heeney and Mills for fear of poking the bear..

Your hatred of Sydney is clouding your judgement.
The only problem with the Buddy deal as I see it is that its led to you losing Mitchell as you couldn't fit them all in but thats do-sent make it a bad deal just that there is a cost to it.
 

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