The Worst Trade Ever

[bungwahl]

The only problem with the Buddy deal as I see it is that its led to you losing Mitchell as you couldn't fit them all in but thats do-sent make it a bad deal just that there is a cost to it.

That's just guessing though and personally I don't think the two are directly connected. It's clear Mitchell was our most expendable midfielder, who had run-ins with the coach, and who was attracting bigger money from other clubs. Sydney has a very one paced midfield and losing Mitchell allows us to change up that midfield to bring in qualities that we didn't currently possess.

I think saying that Mitchell left because of Buddy's contract is just poor analysis. Sydney have historically chopped and changed their list, often making bold decisions. Looking at the list changes since Buddy joined it's clear that we've removed enough players to pay his salary four times over. In fact, if you add up the salaries of all players we've "lost due to Buddy's contract" then he must be on about $5mil/yr.

 

[First Poster]

Freo knew that Hodge, ball or Judd would just leave back to victoria at their first chance. Which proved true with Judd.

After a premiership. Then received Josh Kennedy in the trade. I bet they are spewin they took Judd. This may be the dumbest post of the year. Well done.

 

[maddog37]

Premiership hero Tom Boyd for a bloke with a bad back and a pick that was gone from the club after two years.

 

[R_Grunter]

Both champions, but only one played in a champion team. Lockett for me....just.

Lockett was so much better than Dunstall. I get annoyed with this comparison.

 

[Books]

Also can anyone tell me what Hawthorn have traded for Hale, Gibson and Burgoyne?

Certainly not THE worst trade ever (even as a collective), but am i right to say they've traded 6 pretty good picks for:

• an average ruckman that was considered the #2 ruckman at Nth Ballarat last year in the vfl,
• an ok mid sized defender and
• a silky midfielder with a recent history (at time of trade) of injury, who's coming to the end of his career.

6 potentially decent youngsters would be preferable to what they'll get out of those 3....

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At the time of these trades happening, popular opinion was that Hawthorn "lost" all three trades by paying overs.

Three flags would suggest the Hawks did ok after all. So you're right - certainly NOT the worst trades of all time!

Personally, I will choose three flags over "6 potentially decent youngsters" any time at all.

It just proves that all trades can look very different in hindsight.

 

[Quality Melt]

Josh Caddy for pick 24 and a pick upgrade

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Lockett was so much better than Dunstall. I get annoyed with this comparison.

Their stats suggest otherwise...

 

[R_Grunter]

Their stats suggest otherwise...

Haha. No they don't ya dill.

 

[Dave Omsby]

Andrew McLeod for Chris Groomtakes my cake

 

[Jack Bradley]

Sydney accepting 10 thousand dollars for Carey and Longmire.

 

[Pavlovs Cat]

After a premiership. Then received Josh Kennedy in the trade. I bet they are spewin they took Judd. This may be the dumbest post of the year. Well done.

OUCH. Right in the Kazzookas.

 

[Pavlovs Cat]

Josh Caddy for pick 24 and a pick upgrade

Shut up Meg.

 

[Goats]

Josh Caddy for pick 24 and a pick upgrade

He'll just turn into another Richmond list clogger.

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

Stephen O'Reilly to Carlton

Snitched on them after he was paid outside the cap and that in turn netted us some more picks and Carlton got a bigger fine and banned from the draft etc

Mentioned in the first page as well iirc

 

[footyfan1978]

Stephen O'Reilly to Carlton

Snitched on them after he was paid outside the cap and that in turn netted us some more picks and Carlton got a bigger fine and banned from the draft etc

Mentioned in the first page as well iirc

I wrote this below in another thread a few days back after doing a bit of research what we done with our early picks over the years.

The O'Reilly one below is in red. Pick 16 and 46 was stupid trade on it's own.

I do not remember O'Reilly situation in terms of going over salary cap.
Kind of did not matter what players were asked about it by AFL. Not players fault if club has overpaid players.
More stupid by Elliott just to have no respect for the new salary cap rules that everyone had time to get used to be then. The salary cap had been around over a decade by then.
Over the two seasons of draft penalties, we lost a pick 1, a pick 2, a pick 5, a pick 21, a pick 31 and a pick 34. We also could not trade into those early rounds or have pre-season draft picks. What I would give to have those type of picks to bring new young talent into the club.

The really dark period

19 of 1996 traded away to Collingwood as part of deal for Mick McGuane

7 Kris Massie Carlton Dandenong U18 1997

23 Adam Chatfield Carlton NSW/ACT Rams U18 1997

6 Murray Vance Carlton Murray U18 1998

22 of 1998 traded away to St.Kilda as part of deal to secure Mathew Lappin

16 & 46 of 1999 traded away to Fremantle for Stephen O'Reilly

4 Luke Livingston Carlton Bendigo U18 2000

11 Trent Sporn Carlton North Adelaide 2000

15 Simon Wiggins Carlton Tasmania U18 2000

14 & 30 of 2001 traded away to Geelong and North as part of deals for Justin Murphy and Corey McKernan. We got pick 39 back as part of it that became Justin Davies in that actual draft.

16 of 2002 traded away to Port Adelaide for Barnaby French

1 taken away by AFL on eve of 2002 draft

2 taken away by AFL on eve of 2002 draft

Draft picks No. 1, 2, 31 and 34 from the 2002 National Draft taken away on eve of draft.
We were taking Daniel Wells and Brendan Goddard with pick 1 and 2 before that happened.
Both still playing in AFL to this day. (All draft picks taken away in the 2003 Preseason Draft too)

We also lost our round one and two picks for 2003 draft. In essence picks 5 and 21 taken away.
However due to winning only 4 games in 2003 we got a priority pick that became Andrew Walker at pick 2. Dogs and Dees also got priority picks then too.

The slow build back to finals

2 Andrew Walker Carlton Bendigo U18 2003

5 taken away from penalty year before. 2003

21 taken away from penalty year before. 2003

9 Jordan Russell Carlton West Adelaide 2004

25 Adam Hartlett Carlton West Adelaide 2004

1 Marc Murphy Carlton Oakleigh U18 2005

4 Josh J. Kennedy Carlton East Fremantle 2005

1 Bryce Gibbs Carlton Glenelg 2006

17 Shaun Hampson Carlton Mt Gravatt 2006

19 Shaun Grigg Carlton North Ballarat U18 2006

1 Matthew Kreuzer Carlton Northern U18 2007

3 & 20 of 2007 traded away to West Coast as part of deal for Chris Judd. We had to give up West Aussie Josh Kennedy as part of it and got back pick 46 that became Armfield in that actual draft.

6 Chris Yarran Carlton Swan Districts 2008


The going backwards period

11 of 2009 traded away to Melbourne for Brock McLean

12 Kane Lucas Carlton East Fremantle 2009

18 Matthew Watson Carlton Calder U18 2010

22 Josh Bootsma Carlton South Fremantle 2011

11 Troy Menzel Carlton Central District 2012


The current youngsters

13 Patrick Cripps Carlton East Fremantle 2013

7 of 2014 traded away to GWS for Kristian Jaksch and now de-listed Mark Whiley
We got pick 19 back as part of it.

19 Blaine Boekhorst Carlton Swan Districts 2014

1 Jacob Weitering Carlton Mount Eliza 2015

10 Harry McKay Carlton Gippsland U18 2015

12 Charlie Curnow Carlton Geelong U18 2015

23 David Cuningham Carlton Oakleigh U18 2015

 

[Baird]

Premiership hero Tom Boyd for a bloke with a bad back and a pick that was gone from the club after two years.

Dogs most likely would have chosen Peter Wright with that selection.

 

[footyfan1978]

Premiership hero Tom Boyd for a bloke with a bad back and a pick that was gone from the club after two years.

Very superficial and premature judgement on a trade done not that long ago.
Picks not gone after two years. Pick was gone the next month. It was used by GWS to get Caleb Marchbank.
So Ryan Griffen + Marchbank is what GWS turned trading Tom Boyd into. They traded Caleb Marchbank to us and part of the deal involved them having pick 45 next month and Geelong's 1st round pick of 2017 season.
So this trade is a long way from being decided of what GWS gain from it in long run. GWS have re-invested in future with the newer picks gained. Also GWS may beat Dogs in finals next year with Ryan Griffen starring and Dogs missing whomever they could have turned pick 6 into if they had not traded it. As someone else said, it may well have been someone like Peter Wright or even Jake Lever.

 

[Ant_]

Having shared that, the McMahon trade turned out to be an absolute shocker. The more I think about it, the more I can't believe it happened for pick 19. Although Terry explained it last year - he signed a heads of agreement with the Doggies for pick 35, but then Miller went and traded 35 for Morton. Thus, we folded and gave up 19 for McMahon. Terrible, terrible stuff.

Didn't know about that.. not surprised Miller stuffed it up though. That guy was a disaster for your club

 

[Go the Guts]

Andrew McLeod for Chris Groom takes my cake

There would not be a worse trade in the history of the AFL than this one, on Freo's part.

Chris Groom (who?) traded for a 340 game, dual premiership, dual Norm Smith medallist and the best (or close) indigenous player of all time.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

There would not be a worse trade in the history of the AFL than this one, on Freo's part.

Chris Groom (who?) traded for a 340 game, dual premiership, dual Norm Smith medallist and the best (or close) indigenous player of all time.

To be completely fair, McLeod would've produced none of that under Neesham, who more than likely wouldn't have given him a game anyway.

Great for footy that McLeod was moved on, I have so much respect and time for that bloke, even if e did manage to kick one of the goals of his career to give you a six point win, sneaking it past Lockyer's desperate attempted smother. Not that I hold a grudge or anything

 

[darthbards]

Lockett was so much better than Dunstall. I get annoyed with this comparison.

Your annoyed easy. I'd agree Lockett is probably better but only just. As a team player Dunstall would be a long way ahead. If I had to choose one I'd take Dunstall and I'd assume so would many other

 

[Pavlovs Cat]

Your annoyed easy. I'd agree Lockett is probably better but only just. As a team player Dunstall would be a long way ahead. If I had to choose one I'd take Dunstall and I'd assume so would many other

Yes I think Lockett only just as well. But it's easier to be a team player when you are actually in a good one. A spearhead was just that back in the day and the Saints weren't much chop for the majority of Plugger's time there.

 

[maddog37]

Very superficial and premature judgement on a trade done not that long ago.
Picks not gone after two years. Pick was gone the next month. It was used by GWS to get Caleb Marchbank.
So Ryan Griffen + Marchbank is what GWS turned trading Tom Boyd into. They traded Caleb Marchbank to us and part of the deal involved them having pick 45 next month and Geelong's 1st round pick of 2017 season.
So this trade is a long way from being decided of what GWS gain from it in long run. GWS have re-invested in future with the newer picks gained. Also GWS may beat Dogs in finals next year with Ryan Griffen starring and Dogs missing whomever they could have turned pick 6 into if they had not traded it. As someone else said, it may well have been someone like Peter Wright or even Jake Lever.

Thanks for that captain serious.

 

[DrEvil_]

Also can anyone tell me what Hawthorn have traded for Hale, Gibson and Burgoyne?

Certainly not THE worst trade ever (even as a collective), but am i right to say they've traded 6 pretty good picks for:

• an average ruckman that was considered the #2 ruckman at Nth Ballarat last year in the vfl,
• an ok mid sized defender and
• a silky midfielder with a recent history (at time of trade) of injury, who's coming to the end of his career.

6 potentially decent youngsters would be preferable to what they'll get out of those 3....

.

LOL Mark Williams

 

[R_Grunter]

Your annoyed easy. I'd agree Lockett is probably better but only just. As a team player Dunstall would be a long way ahead. If I had to choose one I'd take Dunstall and I'd assume so would many other

*you're
And everything else you said is also incorrect. Ta.