Society & Culture Things in life you just don't understand - Part 5

[The Golden Glenferrie]

If the Dems don't go a slightly left of centre white man, then it'll continue on.

 

[Scotland]

At least he can't have another term after this right fellas

22nd Amendment protects this. As I understand they need 2/3 majority in both houses and a 3/4 majority of the states to agree to change it. I don't know if the Republicans (as opposed to just Trump) want this but they have none of these three things.

 

[Cruyff14]

22nd Amendment protects this. As I understand they need 2/3 majority in both houses and a 3/4 majority of the states to agree to change it. I don't know if the Republicans (as opposed to just Trump) want this but they have none of these three things.

WHAT THE ****. YOU'RE BACK!!!!

I honestly thought you may have died. Where were you? Was everything OK?

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

22nd Amendment protects this. As I understand they need 2/3 majority in both houses and a 3/4 majority of the states to agree to change it. I don't know if the Republicans (as opposed to just Trump) want this but they have none of these three things.

IS THAT YOU

 

[deck]

Electoral College System is broken.

Ignorant hillbilly redneck states like Florida (Australia's version of South Australia) have a massive outcome on US elections due to the disproportionate amount of seats they have (case in point how Dubya Bush beat Al Gore in 2000)

But it is done by population. Do you have a problem with California having so many votes.

My understanding is it is actually the smaller states that are the issue as all states are weighted on population plus 1. So the smaller states are actually getting the disproportionate amount of college votes vs population.

 

[Beerfish]

22nd Amendment protects this. As I understand they need 2/3 majority in both houses and a 3/4 majority of the states to agree to change it. I don't know if the Republicans (as opposed to just Trump) want this but they have none of these three things.

Answer the question jerk.

 

[Scotland]

I don't understand how anyone is surprised, shocked etc. by the US election result. Republican voters have shown they will vote for anyone/anything. Democrat voters have shown they won't vote. Guess what happens when you add those two things together...

Based on current numbers it is R72.6m to D68m votes overall. Those numbers will still go up a bit as they finish counting the Western states but in 2020 it was R74.2m vs D81.3m. 2016 R63m vs D65.9m. 2012 R60.9m vs D65.9m. 2008 R60m vs D69.5m. Trump got fewer votes this time than he did last time or in 2016 when he won. Harris is probably going to end up with 10m+ votes less than Biden. The Democrats took a big L because the people that vote for them just didn't. I don't know if Biden's position (lack of position?) on Israel turned people off but unless Trump goes to war with Iran and stabilises the region by accident he is not going to help.

Total votes don't really matter but blue blue NY went from 5.2m vs 3.3m to 4.2m vs 3.4m. Maybe 100,000 people changed sides but then that still means the other 900,000 just didn't bother to vote. Same in Massachusetts. Trump +66k, Harris -312k. Trump won "battleground" Pennsylvania by gaining 75,000 votes while Harris lost 150,000. Trump did win Wisconsin and Michigan by gaining more votes than Harris lost, though.

I'd be fascinated to know how many people actually changed their vote from Democrat to Republican or vice versa. I'm guessing not many. The Democrats are idiots and don't seem to understand you need to appeal to enough of the population to win your 270 electoral votes and that means more than just select demographics of New York, New England, California and the Pacific Northwest. Calling everyone who votes Trump racist, sexist etc. doesn't work. Complaining that people won't vote for a woman or a person of color (sic) doesn't work. Blaming people who don't vote for you for not voting for you isn't a strategy. Obama gained 10m votes over John Kerry is who is a run of the mill middle aged white dude. Were people momentarily not racist in 2008? There are a lot of people in the US who would never vote for a Harris or Hillary or Obama but this isn't new info and these aren't the people that are going to swing an election by deciding to turn up and vote Democrat anyway. If 10m people who voted Democrat last time didn't vote for Harris because she isn't a racist white dude AND 73m different people voted for a different racist white dude then America is truly cooked. IMO there are more middle Americans who aren't rusted on one party or the other influenced by Trump's nonsense that is aimed at things they care about (border control, cost of living etc) than the nonsense that goes on in NY and California.

I can't help but think that every candidate since Obama should've been an easy kill. Similar to here. It was Hawke when I was born, then Keating for 5 years, Howard for 11 and an assortment of doughnuts since. I mean Morrison vs Shorten my god. I can see why Americans don't vote. But then you see what happens when they don't. Please have someone good on either side next time. Martin Sheen, Bill Pullman, Morgan Freeman... whoever.

 

[Scotland]

IS THAT YOU

Yes?

WHAT THE ****. YOU'RE BACK!!!!

I honestly thought you may have died. Where were you? Was everything OK?

No, not dead. Not sure, just got busy with life and didn't post for a while then habits come and go I guess. Not much worth discussing footy wise the last couple of years anyway. Have enjoyed watching footy as a neutral knowing I have no real vested interest in any results. Other than North last year. Lol.

America voted Trump again, the Middle East is at war again, every second country in Europe seems to have lost control of immigration, no one can afford houses and to top it off someone let David Warner on the telly. Where the good news stories at??

 

[rocker_oz33]

I don't understand how anyone is surprised, shocked etc. by the US election result. Republican voters have shown they will vote for anyone/anything. Democrat voters have shown they won't vote. Guess what happens when you add those two things together...

Based on current numbers it is R72.6m to D68m votes overall. Those numbers will still go up a bit as they finish counting the Western states but in 2020 it was R74.2m vs D81.3m. 2016 R63m vs D65.9m. 2012 R60.9m vs D65.9m. 2008 R60m vs D69.5m. Trump got fewer votes this time than he did last time or in 2016 when he won. Harris is probably going to end up with 10m+ votes less than Biden. The Democrats took a big L because the people that vote for them just didn't. I don't know if Biden's position (lack of position?) on Israel turned people off but unless Trump goes to war with Iran and stabilises the region by accident he is not going to help.

Total votes don't really matter but blue blue NY went from 5.2m vs 3.3m to 4.2m vs 3.4m. Maybe 100,000 people changed sides but then that still means the other 900,000 just didn't bother to vote. Same in Massachusetts. Trump +66k, Harris -312k. Trump won "battleground" Pennsylvania by gaining 75,000 votes while Harris lost 150,000. Trump did win Wisconsin and Michigan by gaining more votes than Harris lost, though.

I'd be fascinated to know how many people actually changed their vote from Democrat to Republican or vice versa. I'm guessing not many. The Democrats are idiots and don't seem to understand you need to appeal to enough of the population to win your 270 electoral votes and that means more than just select demographics of New York, New England, California and the Pacific Northwest. Calling everyone who votes Trump racist, sexist etc. doesn't work. Complaining that people won't vote for a woman or a person of color (sic) doesn't work. Blaming people who don't vote for you for not voting for you isn't a strategy. Obama gained 10m votes over John Kerry is who is a run of the mill middle aged white dude. Were people momentarily not racist in 2008? There are a lot of people in the US who would never vote for a Harris or Hillary or Obama but this isn't new info and these aren't the people that are going to swing an election by deciding to turn up and vote Democrat anyway. If 10m people who voted Democrat last time didn't vote for Harris because she isn't a racist white dude AND 73m different people voted for a different racist white dude then America is truly cooked. IMO there are more middle Americans who aren't rusted on one party or the other influenced by Trump's nonsense that is aimed at things they care about (border control, cost of living etc) than the nonsense that goes on in NY and California.

I can't help but think that every candidate since Obama should've been an easy kill. Similar to here. It was Hawke when I was born, then Keating for 5 years, Howard for 11 and an assortment of doughnuts since. I mean Morrison vs Shorten my god. I can see why Americans don't vote. But then you see what happens when they don't. Please have someone good on either side next time. Martin Sheen, Bill Pullman, Morgan Freeman... whoever.

I don't follow Politics.

But nuffle me out of the 2 party race one guy they had before and other other whom couldn't talk and replaced by a black woman .
With a country with red necks etc ..some people won't put a woman in power...

American guy i talking too on my road trip said since they don't have to vote people won't vote say in some state that's heavy into a chooen party ...

 

[kickazz]

I can't help but think that every candidate since Obama should've been an easy kill. Similar to here. It was Hawke when I was born, then Keating for 5 years, Howard for 11 and an assortment of doughnuts since. I mean Morrison vs Shorten my god. I can see why Americans don't vote. But then you see what happens when they don't. Please have someone good on either side next time. Martin Sheen, Bill Pullman, Morgan Freeman... whoever.

This is what I have been thinking.

McCain, Romney, Kerry, Gore would have shat it in.

At least I think so. Perhaps they wouldn't fit their message into the ever shrinking space our attention spans allow these days.

This century (2000 included) has seen some close US pres elections. But big, big wins happen and have happened not all that long ago.

A good candidate who goes hard and has a good electioneering team should be able to shit it in with the way Americans feel about politics now. Problem is both sides have been taken over by the nutjob fringe who don't get it.

 

[Off The Couch]

The Democrats thought a black woman, younger than the rapist fraudster trump would be enough

They bought nothing in the way of policies to indicate that life would be better under Kamala. Maybe her hands were tied by Biden still playing at being President because She refused to put her own thoughts out there and sounded like Bidens puppet

I loathe everything that is trump but he ran a campaign aimed at those who needed to hear a message - when you get latinos voting for you knowing that he’s looking at sending your mother back to where she came from, then you know you’re a winner.

They are a proud conservative country and Donald spun a convincing yarn that he was the one to make it great again and everyone bought it.

Now watch Dutton do the same

 

[phantom13]

The more I reflect on the outcome of the US election the more it seems that being in Oz and not seeing the full campaign plus my naturally left wing social media and lean must have only painted a fraction of the full picture.

The voting statistics (44% of female voters, 45% of Hispanic/Latino voters, 42% of 18-29 year old voters) all choosing to elect Trump when throughout his campaign he made direct promises to enact legislation against them just makes absolutely no sense to me.

Global economies are cooked and people do tend to become terrifyingly insular in voting patterns with stuff like this but it can’t be as simple as “racist, homophobic, bigoted and stupid”. Someone within the Democratic Party needs to figure out how this went so badly and in doing so they need to go beyond the simplistic narrative cause right now it seems like Trump has just gamed the system and that is actually a terrifying prospect for global politics.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

The Democrats thought a black woman, younger than the rapist fraudster trump would be enough

They bought nothing in the way of policies to indicate that life would be better under Kamala. Maybe her hands were tied by Biden still playing at being President because She refused to put her own thoughts out there and sounded like Bidens puppet

I loathe everything that is trump but he ran a campaign aimed at those who needed to hear a message - when you get latinos voting for you knowing that he’s looking at sending your mother back to where she came from, then you know you’re a winner.

They are a proud conservative country and Donald spun a convincing yarn that he was the one to make it great again and everyone bought it.

Now watch Dutton do the same

I'm getting tired of seeing the loss reduced to being about Harris' gender and race. It's reductive and the Dems will learn nothing unless they analyse Trump's true impact. A criminal and spin doctor he may be, but he's bloody good at it.

 

[Gough]

I'm getting tired of seeing the loss reduced to being about Harris' gender and race. It's reductive and the Dems will learn nothing unless they analyse Trump's true impact. A criminal and spin doctor he may be, but he's bloody good at it.

I think Americans liked what Trump was selling, he didn't try to hide a thing on this campaign and they voted for it. People can blame the Democrats and Harris for a terrible campaign but as tragic as it is, in the end bigotry won out. People know what they're getting with Trump and they seem to want it, perhaps revisiting them in two years time will be instructional.

 

[kickazz]

The Democrats thought a black woman, younger than the rapist fraudster trump would be enough

They bought nothing in the way of policies to indicate that life would be better under Kamala. Maybe her hands were tied by Biden still playing at being President because She refused to put her own thoughts out there and sounded like Bidens puppet

I loathe everything that is trump but he ran a campaign aimed at those who needed to hear a message - when you get latinos voting for you knowing that he’s looking at sending your mother back to where she came from, then you know you’re a winner.

They are a proud conservative country and Donald spun a convincing yarn that he was the one to make it great again and everyone bought it.

Now watch Dutton do the same

The problem was that either

a) She didn't talk up her/Joe good record of the last four years (best handling of employment/inflation of all developed economies in an inflationary period)

b) If it's true those good economic figures hide a two speed economy, needed to show how her policies would work better than his.

 

[kickazz]

I think Americans liked what Trump was selling,

Yes why look inwards and see how we can make a country better when you can just blame immigrants.

Self awareness and criticism isn't always easy.

 

[Cruyff14]

Yes?



No, not dead. Not sure, just got busy with life and didn't post for a while then habits come and go I guess. Not much worth discussing footy wise the last couple of years anyway. Have enjoyed watching footy as a neutral knowing I have no real vested interest in any results. Other than North last year. Lol.

America voted Trump again, the Middle East is at war again, every second country in Europe seems to have lost control of immigration, no one can afford houses and to top it off someone let David Warner on the telly. Where the good news stories at??

Well I am glad you're back.

I enjoyed your posts.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

The problem was that either

a) She didn't talk up her/Joe good record of the last four years (best handling of employment/inflation of all developed economies in an inflationary period)

b) If it's true those good economic figures hide a two speed economy, needed to show how her policies would work better than his.

Her whole platform seemed to be “I’m not Trump, and your favourite celebrities like me!”

 

[Gough]

Yes why look inwards and see how we can make a country better when you can just blame immigrants.

Self awareness and criticism isn't always easy.

A lot of hearing about how terrible the Harris campaign was seems to be people not wanting to admit this.

 

[kickazz]

Her whole platform seemed to be “I’m not Trump, and your favourite celebrities like me!”

Yeah an (American) analyst on (Australian) ABC said instead of going hard on policy and her good record, she made it a referendum on Trump's character.

The big problem with that is the many times you'd hear a Trump supporter acknowledge that he was a dickhead but they thought he'd be a better choice.

The dickhead factor didn't matter as much as some people thought.

 

[kickazz]

A lot of hearing about how terrible the Harris campaign was seems to be people not wanting to admit this.

I agree, but it's a scapegoat as old as the hills. When was the last time and election was won by a side because the other side was racist? Call it out for sure, but don't make it your strategy, especially when voting isn't compulsory.

 

[phantom13]

Yeah an (American) analyst on (Australian) ABC said instead of going hard on policy and her good record, she made it a referendum on Trump's character.

The big problem with that is the many times you'd hear a Trump supporter acknowledge that he was a dickhead but they thought he'd be a better choice.

The dickhead factor didn't matter as much as some people thought.

I think a pretty big part of the problem is that Trump supporters are delusionally one eyed. They will literally argue that the sky isnt blue if thats what Trump says because "fake news".

Im truly not sure how you convince people that they are actuvely voting against their own self interests if they refuse to hear reason.

The Latino vote in particular, hes openly said hes booting Mexican migrants, like pretty much verbatim and 45% of them still voted for him.

Watching LGBTIQ+ Trump voters was watching people opening the hen house door to a wolf and putting their arm around him to show him around.

Whatever and however hes managed to convince those two groups in particular that they arent part of the community they quite obviously are is the real magic to his campaign. The division hes created almost goes down to an individual level. Its truly remarkable, like some sort of super power.