Society & Culture Things in life you just don't understand - Part 5

[rocker_oz33]

It’s like telling the difference between a $25 bottle of wine and a $50 bottle. Can you really taste the difference? (I usually pay $10-$15 so…)

Does 2 of the 15$ bottles taste better than the 25$ bottle..

 

[Xtreme]

If anybody who isn't obscenely wealthy thinks $800 isn't too much for a haircut then they must have shit for brains.

I have my own hair clipper set - the catalyst being the general price of $20+ (I see it's $25 - $50 at some places TODAY) for less than 5 minutes of work.

I think $20 would last longer at Time Zone!!!!!

That said $20 might also disappear in 5 minutes (and nothing to show for it) at a strip club

 

[rocker_oz33]

So anybody getting a hair cut any time soon?

 

[Gough]

Once a week whether I need it or not.

 

[troybe]

I might get one tomorrow, I’m down to my last $700

 

[Pistol Night]

I could pre pay for 6 years worth of haircuts with $700

 

[rocker_oz33]

I could pre pay for 6 years worth of haircuts with $700

Might be enough for few pints at the pub.

 

[nobbyiscool]

The potential customer, which is the whole point of a capitalist system...

As I said, they don't have to pay it. But the hair stylist is clearly comfortable charging that, which suggests that's what people are paying.

If anybody who isn't obscenely wealthy thinks $800 isn't too much for a haircut then they must have shit for brains.

Wow, just as well no one at all has made that point. I haven't paid for a haircut in 20 years.

Today I learned that’s it entitled to think that $780 is a bit steep for a trip to the hairdressers.

Are people here being deliberately obtuse? The entitlement is clearly thinking you have the right to tell others what their skills are worth.

Having a $780 haircut is not an essential service. Go get a $40 haircut. But don't expect a $780 hair stylist to give you a $40 haircut cos you're cheap and entitled.

a creative?
is that what hairdressers call themselves now?

granted its been a while since i paid for a haircut

Yes, someone who is charging $780 for a haircut is considering themselves to be a creative stylist.

If old mate's daughter wants a $40 haircut from a suburban hairdresser, that's where she should go.

Once again, she's not entitled to cut price designer haircuts cos she's cheap and entitled.

 

[Cruyff14]

I don't think not getting a $780 haircut is being cheap.

Time for you to step away from the keyboard tonight nobby, someone's got a bee in their bonnet.

 

[nobbyiscool]

I don't think not getting a $780 haircut is being cheap.

Time for you to step away from the keyboard tonight nobby, someone's got a bee in their bonnet.

Damn ****ing right I do.

As a creative, it's hard enough having people tell me that they think anyone can do my job (in my case they think AI can do my job).

Don't ask me to do the job that it turns out your shitty cut price option can't do half as well as me, then try and lowball me over the price. Have some ****ing respect for the time and investment I've put into my craft.

 

[Gralin]

Damn ****ing right I do.

As a creative, it's hard enough having people tell me that they think anyone can do my job (in my case they think AI can do my job).

Don't ask me to do the job that it turns out your shitty cut price option can't do half as well as me, then try and lowball me over the price. Have some ****ing respect for the time and investment I've put into my craft.

Wait are you the hair stylist?

 

[Cruyff14]

Damn ****ing right I do.

As a creative, it's hard enough having people tell me that they think anyone can do my job (in my case they think AI can do my job).

Don't ask me to do the job that it turns out your shitty cut price option can't do half as well as me, then try and lowball me over the price. Have some ****ing respect for the time and investment I've put into my craft.

Calm down buddy, it's just an internet forum.

 

[Private Hudson]

Damn ****ing right I do.

As a creative, it's hard enough having people tell me that they think anyone can do my job (in my case they think AI can do my job).

Don't ask me to do the job that it turns out your shitty cut price option can't do half as well as me, then try and lowball me over the price. Have some ****ing respect for the time and investment I've put into my craft.

lol

 

[Hamingja]

Well that is bullshit, I mean do any tradies ever charge for a quote for just one example?

I pay $25 bucks in the joint at my local shopping centre food court, in and out in 4 mins sometimes i reckon, too easy.

$25 bucks is good these days. Used to be $25 here pre COVID and inflation. Now over $40 so I just cut it myself. I think all the men with long hair have screwed with the traditionally low mens haircut prices, they have gone up heaps more than inflation. I have seen a few joints start to advertise clipper cuts cheaper, probably a lot of people like me that just started cutting it themselves and the hairdressers miss out on their easy work.

 

[rocker_oz33]

How much for this ?

 

[nobbyiscool]

lol

Are you telling me you're a prick or just a dumb****?

Calm down buddy, it's just an internet forum.

Easy to tell people to calm down when it's their livelihood, and it's an argument that they have every single day of their working life.


OP's daughter has cheaper options available, just as my clients have AI options available to them.

Use them if you want.

Don't devalue my worth, and don't expect my price to be competitive with your shitty cheapo option that I guarantee won't be as good, and probably won't meet your brief.

And definitely don't expect me to give a rats arse when you end up having to pay me even more to do it last minute, cos you tried to cheap out on it, wasted all the time you had, and got a product that you couldn't use.

It probably became half my work in 2024; in December I literally only had to work 5 days...

Most of my job now is providing last minute, exorbitantly priced creative services from people in a bind, who need the job done yesterday, because they thought they could do it cheaper. (My favourite is when they come to me the day before they need it and want me to do for the price I quoted them 6 weeks ago.)

The point I'm making is that the OP has multiple options:

• pay the $780
• find a cheaper option

Disrespecting and devaluing the work of the hair stylist is neither of those options, it's extremely disrespectful, and I'm beyond stunned at how many of you are lining up to tell someone else what their work is worth.

You guys must be great in your loser office jobs when you're negotiating. "Yeah, I'll just take whatever you want to pay me, I'm sure it'll be fine!" Classic bootlicker behaviour.

 

[Gralin]

AI sucks and artists get screwed all the time on price but that doesn't mean you should be calling people bootlickers because they think an expensive haircut is expensive

 

[Private Hudson]

Are you telling me you're a prick or just a dumb****?



Easy to tell people to calm down when it's their livelihood, and it's an argument that they have every single day of their working life.


OP's daughter has cheaper options available, just as my clients have AI options available to them.

Use them if you want.

Don't devalue my worth, and don't expect my price to be competitive with your shitty cheapo option that I guarantee won't be as good, and probably won't meet your brief.

And definitely don't expect me to give a rats arse when you end up having to pay me even more to do it last minute, cos you tried to cheap out on it, wasted all the time you had, and got a product that you couldn't use.

It probably became half my work in 2024; in December I literally only had to work 5 days...

Most of my job now is providing last minute, exorbitantly priced creative services from people in a bind, who need the job done yesterday, because they thought they could do it cheaper. (My favourite is when they come to me the day before they need it and want me to do for the price I quoted them 6 weeks ago.)

The point I'm making is that the OP has multiple options:

• pay the $780
• find a cheaper option

Disrespecting and devaluing the work of the hair stylist is neither of those options, it's extremely disrespectful, and I'm beyond stunned at how many of you are lining up to tell someone else what their work is worth.

You guys must be great in your loser office jobs when you're negotiating. "Yeah, I'll just take whatever you want to pay me, I'm sure it'll be fine!" Classic bootlicker behaviour.

lol

 

[nobbyiscool]

AI sucks and artists get screwed all the time on price but that doesn't mean you should be calling people bootlickers because they think an expensive haircut is expensive

How many times do I need to explain that this isn't the point that's being made?

For a web forum, a lot of you sure are adverse to reading.

 

[Gralin]

How many times do I need to explain that this isn't the point that's being made?

For a web forum, a lot of you sure are adverse to reading.

Nah man you're responses on here have been about your issues not the actual topic which was a salon charging $50 to give a large quote

Like this isn't your regular salon pricing

 

[nobbyiscool]

$25 bucks is good these days. Used to be $25 here pre COVID and inflation. Now over $40 so I just cut it myself. I think all the men with long hair have screwed with the traditionally low mens haircut prices, they have gone up heaps more than inflation. I have seen a few joints start to advertise clipper cuts cheaper, probably a lot of people like me that just started cutting it themselves and the hairdressers miss out on their easy work.

The broader financial climate is an interesting point you raise in this context.

Maybe what this discussion actually shows is how well the Tories convinced you that the hairdresser operating a small business ****ed the economy, and not the politicians that gave away our royalties, provided 2 generations with needless middle class welfare, and locked the next 2 generations out of ever owning a home.

 

[Gralin]

The broader financial climate is an interesting point you raise in this context.

Maybe what this discussion actually shows is how well the Tories convinced you that the hairdresser operating a small business ****ed the economy, and not the politicians that we gave away our royalties, provided 2 generations with needless middle class welfare, and locked the next 2 generations out of ever owning a home.

The hair dresser didn't ruin the economy and the salon can charge whatever they want, making someone pay to find out the price of a cut and colour is pretty crap though

 

[nobbyiscool]

Nah man you're responses on here have been about your issues not the actual topic which was a salon charging $50 to give a large quote

Like this isn't your regular salon pricing

No one is talking about the quote, they're talking about the $780.

I'll say it again, given people apparently prefer to write than read. You have a right to pay $780, you have a right to pay much less.

People don't have a right to devalue someone else work, and the skills and expertise that they've spent a life time developing. People are not entitled to someone's services at a cheaper price because they think it's expensive.

I wonder how any of you would deal with people indiscriminately telling you that you aren't worth your salary, and that the skills you've spent a life time developing aren't worth a shit.

Again, hairdressers charging $800 did not cause our cost of living crisis, hairdressers did not screw up our economy. I'd be looking more closely at the people who can afford to pay that amount.

 

[Gralin]

No one is talking about the quote, they're talking about the $780.

I'll say it again, given people apparently prefer to write than read. You have a right to pay $780, you have a right to pay much less.

People don't have a right to devalue someone else work, and the skills and expertise that they've spent a life time developing. People are not entitled to someone's services at a cheaper price because they think it's expensive.

I wonder how any of you would deal with people indiscriminately telling you that you aren't worth your salary, and that the skills you've spent a life time developing aren't worth a shit.

Again, hairdressers charging $800 did not cause our cost of living crisis, hairdressers did not screw up our economy. I'd be looking more closely at the people who can afford to pay that amount.

Dude I never said hairdressers did and again you've made this about you.

For mine charging someone $50 to tell them that price is the issue

 

[nobbyiscool]

Dude I never said hairdressers did and again you've made this about you.

For mine charging someone $50 to tell them that price is the issue

You're the only one talking about the $50.

I'll answer that though - the $50 is exactly because of people like the OPs daughter. Tyre kickers wasting the hairdressers time, to get the hairdressers time and ideas (ie. their IP), when they were never going to spend $780. That time and those ideas/that IP has to be worth something. Expecting them to give up their time and IP is even more entitled.

Maybe this is the best way that I can explain it - hopefully it's the last I'll have to say on the topic, unless someone says something egregiously dumb.

This is a conversation that I have at least once a week. And yes, "it's about me" - but I can guarantee you that an $800 hairdresser, who is having to charge for quotes, is probably having this conversation every day.

(NB: I'm using hypothetical numbers below.)

"Here's what I want, here's the time frame, what's it going to cost."

"Ok, great. To get that done in the timeframe, including revisions, we're looking at $10k."

"But this other company (who either uses AI or graduate staff) says they can do it for $3k."

"That's fine, go use them, I don't need the work."

"Oh... They're not really as good though..."

"No, they aren't, are they?"

"And last time they didn't factor in revisions"

"No, they didn't, and you ended up paying me $22k to the same job in a week."

"Ok... can you give me some ideas on what you think you'd present?"

"No, I can't. You pay for my ideas before you go and give them to your cut price option."

Sometimes they come back, sometimes they don't. It's not the point.

The point is that a cheap option exists, and you're free to take it. But I'm not competing with an inferior product, I ain't giving you shit for free (including free advice), and no one has any right to expect me to devalue my experience to compete with that price.