Society & Culture Things in life you just don't understand - Part 5

[nobbyiscool]

Nah man you're responses on here have been about your issues not the actual topic which was a salon charging $50 to give a large quote

Like this isn't your regular salon pricing

No one is talking about the quote, they're talking about the $780.

I'll say it again, given people apparently prefer to write than read. You have a right to pay $780, you have a right to pay much less.

People don't have a right to devalue someone else work, and the skills and expertise that they've spent a life time developing. People are not entitled to someone's services at a cheaper price because they think it's expensive.

I wonder how any of you would deal with people indiscriminately telling you that you aren't worth your salary, and that the skills you've spent a life time developing aren't worth a shit.

Again, hairdressers charging $800 did not cause our cost of living crisis, hairdressers did not screw up our economy. I'd be looking more closely at the people who can afford to pay that amount.

 

[Gralin]

No one is talking about the quote, they're talking about the $780.

I'll say it again, given people apparently prefer to write than read. You have a right to pay $780, you have a right to pay much less.

People don't have a right to devalue someone else work, and the skills and expertise that they've spent a life time developing. People are not entitled to someone's services at a cheaper price because they think it's expensive.

I wonder how any of you would deal with people indiscriminately telling you that you aren't worth your salary, and that the skills you've spent a life time developing aren't worth a shit.

Again, hairdressers charging $800 did not cause our cost of living crisis, hairdressers did not screw up our economy. I'd be looking more closely at the people who can afford to pay that amount.

Dude I never said hairdressers did and again you've made this about you.

For mine charging someone $50 to tell them that price is the issue

 

[nobbyiscool]

Dude I never said hairdressers did and again you've made this about you.

For mine charging someone $50 to tell them that price is the issue

You're the only one talking about the $50.

I'll answer that though - the $50 is exactly because of people like the OPs daughter. Tyre kickers wasting the hairdressers time, to get the hairdressers time and ideas (ie. their IP), when they were never going to spend $780. That time and those ideas/that IP has to be worth something. Expecting them to give up their time and IP is even more entitled.

Maybe this is the best way that I can explain it - hopefully it's the last I'll have to say on the topic, unless someone says something egregiously dumb.

This is a conversation that I have at least once a week. And yes, "it's about me" - but I can guarantee you that an $800 hairdresser, who is having to charge for quotes, is probably having this conversation every day.

(NB: I'm using hypothetical numbers below.)

"Here's what I want, here's the time frame, what's it going to cost."

"Ok, great. To get that done in the timeframe, including revisions, we're looking at $10k."

"But this other company (who either uses AI or graduate staff) says they can do it for $3k."

"That's fine, go use them, I don't need the work."

"Oh... They're not really as good though..."

"No, they aren't, are they?"

"And last time they didn't factor in revisions"

"No, they didn't, and you ended up paying me $22k to the same job in a week."

"Ok... can you give me some ideas on what you think you'd present?"

"No, I can't. You pay for my ideas before you go and give them to your cut price option."

Sometimes they come back, sometimes they don't. It's not the point.

The point is that a cheap option exists, and you're free to take it. But I'm not competing with an inferior product, I ain't giving you shit for free (including free advice), and no one has any right to expect me to devalue my experience to compete with that price.

 

[Gralin]

You're the only one talking about the $50.

I'll answer that though - the $50 is exactly because of people like the OPs daughter. Tyre kickers wasting the hairdressers time, to get the hairdressers time and ideas (ie. their IP), when they were never going to spend $780. That time and those ideas/that IP has to be worth something. Expecting them to give up their time and IP is even more entitled.

Maybe this is the best way that I can explain it - hopefully it's the last I'll have to say on the topic, unless someone says something egregiously dumb.

This is a conversation that I have at least once a week. And yes, "it's about me" - but I can guarantee you that an $800 hairdresser, who is having to charge for quotes, is probably having this conversation every day.

(NB: I'm using hypothetical numbers below.)

"Here's what I want, here's the time frame, what's it going to cost."

"Ok, great. To get that done in the timeframe, including revisions, we're looking at $10k."

"But this other company (who either uses AI or graduate staff) says they can do it for $3k."

"That's fine, go use them, I don't need the work."

"Oh... They're not really as good though..."

"No, they aren't, are they?"

"And last time they didn't factor in revisions"

"No, they didn't, and you ended up paying me $22k to the same job in a week."

"Ok... can you give me some ideas on what you think you'd present?"

"No, I can't. You pay for my ideas before you go and give them to your cut price option."

Sometimes they come back, sometimes they don't. It's not the point.

The point is that a cheap option exists, and you're free to take it. But I'm not competing with an inferior product, I ain't giving you shit for free (including free advice), and no one has any right to expect me to devalue my experience to compete with that price.

Dude the question would be how much for a cut and colour

They can answer that without charging $50

I get exactly what you're saying but it's not the same

This isn't about what you're dealing with.

A cancellation fee for missing an appointment is totally reasonable, charging someone $50 for a price from what would be a set menu isn't

 

[Cruyff14]

Are you telling me you're a prick or just a dumb****?



Easy to tell people to calm down when it's their livelihood, and it's an argument that they have every single day of their working life.


OP's daughter has cheaper options available, just as my clients have AI options available to them.

Use them if you want.

Don't devalue my worth, and don't expect my price to be competitive with your shitty cheapo option that I guarantee won't be as good, and probably won't meet your brief.

And definitely don't expect me to give a rats arse when you end up having to pay me even more to do it last minute, cos you tried to cheap out on it, wasted all the time you had, and got a product that you couldn't use.

It probably became half my work in 2024; in December I literally only had to work 5 days...

Most of my job now is providing last minute, exorbitantly priced creative services from people in a bind, who need the job done yesterday, because they thought they could do it cheaper. (My favourite is when they come to me the day before they need it and want me to do for the price I quoted them 6 weeks ago.)

The point I'm making is that the OP has multiple options:

• pay the $780
• find a cheaper option

Disrespecting and devaluing the work of the hair stylist is neither of those options, it's extremely disrespectful, and I'm beyond stunned at how many of you are lining up to tell someone else what their work is worth.

You guys must be great in your loser office jobs when you're negotiating. "Yeah, I'll just take whatever you want to pay me, I'm sure it'll be fine!" Classic bootlicker behaviour.

Typical Brunswick arty farty type.

Getting a quote for a ****ing haircut is outrageous, no two ways about it. It's a haircut for god sake, not a home extension.

Nobody has disrespected anything, you've just gone off on a Hulk smash tangent because you're looking at this all one eyed and can't seem to have a rational conversation about this because you're too invested in the topic. Go smoke some weed and rage at your OC instead.

 

[Gralin]

Typical Brunswick arty farty type.

Getting a quote for a ****ing haircut is outrageous, no two ways about it. It's a haircut for god sake, not a home extension.

Nobody has disrespected anything, you've just gone off on a Hulk smash tangent because you're looking at this all one eyed and can't seem to have a rational conversation about this because you're too invested in the topic. Go smoke some weed and rage at your OC instead.

Chill out cruff

 

[Cruyff14]

Chill out cruff

Can't. Want to get my haircut and they're asking for a $50 quote!

 

[Gralin]

Can't. Want to get my haircut and they're asking for a $50 quote!

Outrageous

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I understood that the hairdresser wouldn’t make a booking for a cut and colour until a consult had taken place, at a cost of $50 non refundable but deductible from the outrageous quote if it was taken up. That’s a scam. No way would clients be lining up for this. It’s not as if there aren’t several competent hairdressers in every suburb.

 

[nobbyiscool]

I understood that the hairdresser wouldn’t make a booking for a cut and colour until a consult had taken place, at a cost of $50 non refundable but deductible from the outrageous quote if it was taken up. That’s a scam. No way would clients be lining up for this. It’s not as if there aren’t several competent hairdressers in every suburb.

I am curious as to what suburb we're talking about.

If we're talking about a "hair stylist" in South Yarra or Brighton, I would suggest the daughter has done insufficient research.

If we're talking about a $780 hairdresser operating out of their lounge room in Sunshine, then maybe I'd rescind some of my argument.

 

[Ivelisse]

$48 my last haircut it was a design cut

 

[gaskin]

So anybody getting a hair cut any time soon?

I was actually going to go today but couldn't be arsed. I might go in a week or two.

 

[raskolnikov]

I wonder how any of you would deal with people indiscriminately telling you that you aren't worth your salary, and that the skills you've spent a life time developing aren't worth a shit.

I'm a teacher. I'm used to it.

 

[Gralin]

I'm a teacher. I'm used to it.

There's little value attached to most jobs these days because everything is about how much money you have/can make

We've also got an attitude in this country of cheap is winning

The less you pay the better, it's a bad combination

Education and the arts have been attacked mercilessly for years though

 

[rocker_oz33]

I'm a teacher. I'm used to it.

And mean arse cross fitter don't sell short


Off topic.

We watched black snow.
I think filmed in your hood.
I can see glass table mt etc.

Aussie crime dama.

 

[Off The Couch]

Don’t even get me started on dog groomers

 

[rocker_oz33]

Don’t even get me started on dog groomers

How much

 

[nobbyiscool]

I'm a teacher. I'm used to it.

I'm not sure whether to give that a laugh or cry react

 

[Madas]

Who the hell are you to tell other people what their skills are worth? What do you know about their skills and expertise and how they obtained them?

Was a bloody quick about face from this:

Look I barely have any hair so am no expert in the field but if you break it back down to simple hourly rate maths then in my humble opinion $780 is taking the piss

That process wouldn’t take more than 2 hours surely and the consumables couldn’t be more than $80

So that’s $350 an hour

 

[Madas]

lol
mental note dont give an opinion on hairdressers and what they charge

I just did
Let’s see how this goes

 

[Madas]

I have my own hair clipper set - the catalyst being the general price of $20+ (I see it's $25 - $50 at some places TODAY) for less than 5 minutes of work.

I think $20 would last longer at Time Zone!!!!!

That said $20 might also disappear in 5 minutes (and nothing to show for it) at a strip club

I can vouch from recent experience that $20 does not last long in a strip club , hence I will not be returning any time soon .
Interesting way to spend money though I must say

 

[Beerfish]

Look I barely have any hair so am no expert in the field but if you break it back down to simple hourly rate maths then in my humble opinion $780 is taking the piss

That process wouldn’t take more than 2 hours surely and the consumables couldn’t be more than $80

So that’s $350 an hour

 

[peternorth]

I do have to get a haircut.

 

[GreyCrow]

I wonder how any of you would deal with people indiscriminately telling you that you aren't worth your salary, and that the skills you've spent a life time developing aren't worth a shit.

I'm hoping you havent engaged in any of the teacher threads or discussions then

 

[the_interloper]

You're the only one talking about the $50.

I'll answer that though - the $50 is exactly because of people like the OPs daughter. Tyre kickers wasting the hairdressers time, to get the hairdressers time and ideas (ie. their IP), when they were never going to spend $780. That time and those ideas/that IP has to be worth something. Expecting them to give up their time and IP is even more entitled.

Maybe this is the best way that I can explain it - hopefully it's the last I'll have to say on the topic, unless someone says something egregiously dumb.

This is a conversation that I have at least once a week. And yes, "it's about me" - but I can guarantee you that an $800 hairdresser, who is having to charge for quotes, is probably having this conversation every day.

(NB: I'm using hypothetical numbers below.)

"Here's what I want, here's the time frame, what's it going to cost."

"Ok, great. To get that done in the timeframe, including revisions, we're looking at $10k."

"But this other company (who either uses AI or graduate staff) says they can do it for $3k."

"That's fine, go use them, I don't need the work."

"Oh... They're not really as good though..."

"No, they aren't, are they?"

"And last time they didn't factor in revisions"

"No, they didn't, and you ended up paying me $22k to the same job in a week."

"Ok... can you give me some ideas on what you think you'd present?"

"No, I can't. You pay for my ideas before you go and give them to your cut price option."

Sometimes they come back, sometimes they don't. It's not the point.

The point is that a cheap option exists, and you're free to take it. But I'm not competing with an inferior product, I ain't giving you shit for free (including free advice), and no one has any right to expect me to devalue my experience to compete with that price.

You have every right to work this way, I'm not sure why you're so pissed off though I have to be honest.