Things that sh*t me the seventeenth

[swingdog]

On behalf of my daughter, group projects at university. Easy way out for the lecturer to mark fewer assignments and for lazy students to bludge through on the backs of others.

 

[cats_09]

On behalf of my daughter, group projects at university. Easy way out for the lecturer to mark fewer assignments and for lazy students to bludge through on the backs of others.

I remember a few group projects at uni and as part of handing in the completed work we also had to grade our teammates, which the lecturer would then use as part of their official marking - it meant that not everyone in the group got the same mark

 

[Chief]

Some mother ****er just deleted around 20 hours of work I did last week including the backup and now I'll need to do it again.

Big Minecraft build?

 

[burge13]

On behalf of my daughter, group projects at university. Easy way out for the lecturer to mark fewer assignments and for lazy students to bludge through on the backs of others.

Work smarter, not harder!

 

[troybe]

Work smarter, not harder!

Click the autosave

 

[the_interloper]

On behalf of my daughter, group projects at university. Easy way out for the lecturer to mark fewer assignments and for lazy students to bludge through on the backs of others.

In my undergrad I was one of the dumb ones, in my MBA I was one of the smarter ones so I saw both ends of the spectrum, I'm not sure my opinion on this now.

 

[GreyCrow]

On behalf of my daughter, group projects at university. Easy way out for the lecturer to mark fewer assignments and for lazy students to bludge through on the backs of others.

A friend went through the same thing

One person wanted to control the group but had NFI and the rest of the group thought they had reined him until the morning of their presentation and he had changed the group page overnight

And then rambled well over allotted time. I told my friend to blast him in the peer review but they wouldnt

 

[swingdog]

A friend went through the same thing

One person wanted to control the group but had NFI and the rest of the group thought they had reined him until the morning of their presentation and he had changed the group page overnight

And then rambled well over allotted time. I told my friend to blast him in the peer review but they wouldnt

It's even more annoying.

She's done her work and the rest of the group hasn't finished and so hasn't handed it in on time, so reduced marks overall.

Don't get her started on students' reliance on ChatGPT.

 

[burge13]

It's even more annoying.

She's done her work and the rest of the group hasn't finished and so hasn't handed it in on time, so reduced marks overall.

Don't get her started on students' reliance on ChatGPT.

Way of the world tbh

First it was students reliance on calculators instead of knowing long division
Then it was their reliance on Google
Now it'll be reliance on ChatGPT, Co-Pilot etc

I don't think it's necessarily wrong to use the tools at your disposal. Coding will change for example, why write heaps when ChatGPT can do 90% of it and you update 10%. Same with writing a job ad or something

I dont view it as any different to using a Macro in Excel. Why write out formulas every time when you can write a macro to do it for you?

 

[swingdog]

Way of the world tbh

First it was students reliance on calculators instead of knowing long division
Then it was their reliance on Google
Now it'll be reliance on ChatGPT, Co-Pilot etc

I don't think it's necessarily wrong to use the tools at your disposal. Coding will change for example, why write heaps when ChatGPT can do 90% of it and you update 10%. Same with writing a job ad or something

I dont view it as any different to using a Macro in Excel. Why write out formulas every time when you can write a macro to do it for you?

That's fine if you understand what ChatGPT is telling you.

I think it works well for processes, such as coding. It's less good for critical thinking. They're generating the content without understanding it and then struggling to integrate it into a cohesive whole.

 

[burge13]

That's fine if you understand what ChatGPT is telling you.

I think it works well for processes, such as coding. It's less good for critical thinking. They're generating the content without understanding it and then struggling to integrate it into a cohesive whole.

I agree completely. Critical thinking was dying at warp speed even before this new chatbot wave come along though.

There's a new way of gathering information quickly & the kids are ahead of the curve on it, way ahead of the education system grading them. Who knows where we end up

With Google you at least needed to know enough about a topic to google the right stuff to get to your desired results. You still needed to piece information together. Like I'm no Excel expert but I know enough to google and figure it out from there

Now, I'm 99% sure ChatGPT could have just done everything I needed without googling if I prompted it to. It's taken steps out of 'learning' if that makes sense. How necessary are those steps? We'll find out over the next 5-10 years as a lot of 'learning' is going to be done this way.

Instead of knowing a topic inside out, it'll be 'how do I use AI to do this for me'.

Go to your GP, they google everything these days. It's not really a bad thing if the tools work, I just question how much QA is done on these tools? They're growing faster than we can keep up, can we be 100% sure they're giving us unbiased and accurate results?

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

I agree completely. Critical thinking was dying at warp speed even before this new chatbot wave come along though.

There's a new way of gathering information quickly & the kids are ahead of the curve on it, way ahead of the education system grading them. Who knows where we end up

With Google you at least needed to know enough about a topic to google the right stuff to get to your desired results. You still needed to piece information together. Like I'm no Excel expert but I know enough to google and figure it out from there

Now, I'm 99% sure ChatGPT could have just done everything I needed without googling if I prompted it to. It's taken steps out of 'learning' if that makes sense. How necessary are those steps? We'll find out over the next 5-10 years as a lot of 'learning' is going to be done this way.

Instead of knowing a topic inside out, it'll be 'how do I use AI to do this for me'.

Go to your GP, they google everything these days. It's not really a bad thing if the tools work, I just question how much QA is done on these tools? They're growing faster than we can keep up, can we be 100% sure they're giving us unbiased and accurate results?

25 years ago, your Dr wasn't relying on technology to search the 'best' treatment for your conditions. They were relying on information handed out by the drug companies at their last conference.

The method has changed, but you're still being given what the Dr's are told and it's still the drug companies making the decisions.

 

[GreyCrow]

25 years ago, your Dr wasn't relying on technology to search the 'best' treatment for your conditions. They were relying on information handed out by the drug companies at their last conference.

The method has changed, but you're still being given what the Dr's are told and it's still the drug companies making the decisions.

Is this a professional view?

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

Is this a professional view?

Not at all.

It's not a criticism of the individual person either, it's a function of their role and how the industry is designed to 'work'.

Too many people put blind faith in their GP. As the front-line interceptor, it is impossible for GPs to actually understand all potential issues they may face with any rigour. They rely heavily on others to provide condensed and summarised information or specific product knowledge they can easily disperse. That information often comes direct from the drug manufacturers, either through conference style events or promotional/sample packs of their new product.

GPs rely heavily on their initial education and training throughout their careers, with subsequent learning almost exclusively from easily digestible information. They cannot be expected to know everything about everything - instead we should expect they simply know where/how to find the correct information - and to approach new claims with a cautious/critical mind.

 

[Rob R]

What is up with this, was just trying to book one in now over multiple clinics and nothing for weeks.

Canberra public health system is under funded and full of bullies. Private wise, there is a lot more money in cities that people would prefer to live in

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[Gralin]

That's fine if you understand what ChatGPT is telling you.

I think it works well for processes, such as coding. It's less good for critical thinking. They're generating the content without understanding it and then struggling to integrate it into a cohesive whole.

It works well for reasonably simple well known repetitive stuff that you could just copy from github

Beyond that it's likely going to be worse that doing it yourself from the start

 

[raskolnikov]

I found out yesterday afternoon that I have a specialist appointment today at 11:00. I could have easily called in this morning sick and just taken the day off. Instead because I know they're short-staffed I came in and told them that my class would need covering middle session. They weren't happy. I hardly ever take a sick day. Meanwhile there are teachers who take every second day off with an itchy nose or a sore finger.

 

[Cruyff14]

I found out yesterday afternoon that I have a specialist appointment today at 11:00. I could have easily called in this morning sick and just taken the day off. Instead because I know they're short-staffed I came in and told them that my class would need covering middle session. They weren't happy. I hardly ever take a sick day. Meanwhile there are teachers who take every second day off with an itchy nose or a sore finger.

Bad luck to them. You're entitled to your leave.

They have to cover the class, bad luck.

 

[Jatz]

Bad luck to them. You're entitled to your leave.

They have to cover the class, bad luck.

Ordinarily yes, that is a very short turnaround to try and cover though, particularly if they're already short staffed.

Where possible, the unwritten rule wherever I've been is to try and give a weeks notice prior to taking any time away (be it for appointments or annual leave etc). Annual leave I would normally book a month in advance so they knew with plenty of time.

There are of course things that are unavoidable (death in the family etc) but we'd generally try and give as much notice as possible.

 

[Chief]

I found out yesterday afternoon that I have a specialist appointment today at 11:00. I could have easily called in this morning sick and just taken the day off. Instead because I know they're short-staffed I came in and told them that my class would need covering middle session. They weren't happy. I hardly ever take a sick day. Meanwhile there are teachers who take every second day off with an itchy nose or a sore finger.

Friend of mine was temping at a private school organising all the covers.

Fun stuff I heard about were teachers just forgetting to tell anyone where they were, deciding they were sick and coming in to the office to catch up with a few people and discuss their classes - sneezing and coughing the whole while. Systems that didn't talk to each other so they were relying on an emailed PDF and printouts to get information out - with HR always getting information in late then blaming other people.

It sort of worked, but it sounded like a small amount of investment would have solved a heap of their problems, the negative consequences of which were heaped on one or two staff, who were then expected to do unpaid overtime to sort out.

Still, their extensive landscaping was immaculate.

 

[GreyCrow]

Still, their extensive landscaping was immaculate.

Your school fees at work

 

[Chief]

Your school fees at work

My kids go to state school.

 

[raskolnikov]

Ordinarily yes, that is a very short turnaround to try and cover though, particularly if they're already short staffed.

Where possible, the unwritten rule wherever I've been is to try and give a weeks notice prior to taking any time away (be it for appointments or annual leave etc). Annual leave I would normally book a month in advance so they knew with plenty of time.

There are of course things that are unavoidable (death in the family etc) but we'd generally try and give as much notice as possible.

I was meant to have this appointment during the holidays which start next week. However they called me last night to tell me that they have a cancellation and asked if I could make it today. So I didn't find out I had the appointment til late yesterday afternoon. Otherwise I would have told them earlier.

 

[troybe]

The phrase “learnings” Yeah we had some learnings out of the game. There’s got to be a better phrase than this.

 

[GreyCrow]

I was meant to have this appointment during the holidays which start next week. However they called me last night to tell me that they have a cancellation and asked if I could make it today. So I didn't find out I had the appointment til late yesterday afternoon. Otherwise I would have told them earlier.

Im not sure what your need for the doctor was but I would have said no I want my original appointment

Yes its convenient to get in early but it created its own dramas - to be clear not started by you