Recommitted Tim Kelly [requested a trade to West Coast]

[Chocoholic]

Geelong have never had the player's interest at heart. Club first and that's fine. Just don't cry if the wheel turns.

Got a example?

We regularly let players go for unders if they chose to leave the club, we have always done that and have no issue doing that.

Obviously we will be less willing to take such unders with a player of Kelly's calibre.

We have had no issues trading before and I suspect a trade will be done for Kelly as well, just a bit of talk.

 

[Lore]

Geelong Cats will ‘fight tooth and nail’ for Kelly, says coach Chris Scott.

I mean honestly, wtf is he thinking?

It would be reasonable to assume that he was thinking that they're in with a chance of keeping him, which wouldn't be the most surprising thing to happen after two years and 18240 posts speculating about it (plus all the ones that have been deleted).

 

[Chocoholic]

That’s one motive.

Geelong prefer Kelly go to Fremantle because they will get a better deal and they don’t want to strength a flag contender.

Well that was a joke but we would get a better deal from Freo which is why we would love it if he chose Freo.

 

[Scotland]

Got a example?

We regularly let players go for unders if they chose to leave the club, we have always done that and have no issue doing that.

Obviously we will be less willing to take such unders with a player of Kelly's calibre.

We have had no issues trading before and I suspect a trade will be done for Kelly as well, just a bit of talk.

Player, singular.

Last year he requested a trade, you said no.

This year your coach is talking tough about an out of contract player weeks out from trade week.

Club first, which is fine.

 

[BartBart]

No s**t, of cause we will want convince Kelly and try to get him to stay.

That's what he means as if you read the entire article he goes on to say he spoke to Kelly in private about the situation.

They've had nearly 2 years to convince Kelly to stay.

 

[Chocoholic]

Player, singular.

Last year he requested a trade, you said no.

This year your coach is talking tough about an out of contract player weeks out from trade week.

Club first, which is fine.

We tried to work out a trade against our better judgement and a deal could not be done. We were going to take significant unders again to let him go as well, no way his he worth a late first round pick and early second round picks.

Everyone is asking him about his out of contract player, he responded to a question from Robbo on 360.

 

[kerrazy]

No s**t, of cause we will want convince Kelly and try to get him to stay.

That's what he means as if you read the entire article he goes on to say he spoke to Kelly in private about the situation.

Do I need to pop in more of his quotes to show you how selfish he is making Geelong look? Why doesn't he just say 'hey mate, we would really love you to stay.'?

Instead he says - 'fighting tooth and nail to keep him' ' four first round picks and Martin' and 'cant see a trade happening'

Astounding

 

[Chocoholic]

They've had nearly 2 years to convince Kelly to stay.

And now he will have to make a decision if he hasn't made it already.

Reportedly Kelly and his family were settling in better this year so we can only hope he stays but up to him and his family.

 

[eagle eyed]

Um. No. I havent not understood your point once and in the post you are referring too it was pretty obvious again to work out what you are saying. Its just again it makes no sense. There's no hypocracy. Very, very few players have actually nominated for a trade publicly after one year on a list. When drafted all have to agree they are prepared to go anywhere in Australia. Geelong was right to take the view that they could try and address the issues raised by Tim and his partner after West Cost refused what now seems like a pretty reasonable deal in hindsight. Hogan, Brad Hill, Wilson, Matera, Lobb, Cripps, Jetta, Ah Chee, Yeo and Kennedy just some of the players who have done the same thing from clubs around Australia with examples of plenty of Melbourne based clubs trading players back to Perth in that list. No one is saying those requests were unfair but the clubs involved still had to agree on terms for the trade to happen. That is all anyone is saying here. Not sure why you think you are so entitled to get him. He hasnt even publicly nominated his preference yet and if West Cost cant meet the Geelong requests then they have every right to see if Kelly can be convinced to go to another team.

For someone that acts as though they know everything you do realise Jetta was a swap for Sinclair, with Sydney going hard for Sinclair not the other way around, offering him a contract that WC could not match. Ah Chee was a packet of chips as he couldn’t get a game at Port, was OOC and Port didn’t want him. Yeo wanted to go to Freo and Ross etc. didn’t rate nor want him and finally Kennedy didn’t want to leave Carlton but they were happy to push him out the door to get Judd.

Yes, the AFL might not be happy with the free agency results but the Vic clubs and Vic media sure as hell are, the hypocrisy is that they now think the system needs changing as someone is choosing a team from a state other than Victoria. If you can’t see this you are blind. St Nick says Geelong should just ship him to the highest bidder, what did he say when Hill nominated St Kilda? Not a word. We’ll still be contenders next year without Kelly, can’t say the same for the club with no coach, no CEO and their better players wanting to leave every year. Kelly will not make Freo better than they were this year, he’ll just end up picking up the slack left by Hill & Langdon. Lynch, Treloar, Adams, Prestia, etc. all wanted to play in finals, play regularly at the MCG and play in front of big crowds. Why should they have the ability to choose success and not Kelly. Yes, the reason behind him wanting to come back to WA is family related, but why should that stop him from wanting to join the successful team? Maybe if Freo had built a culture of success rather than just offering fat contracts there would be better players wanting to join them.

 

[Benny78]

You got an actual Brownlow medalist for one first round pick, because he wanted to be home. Got Ablett back for SFA.

This is a real test of Geelong’s credibility - let’s see if they do the right thing, or if that only applies one way.

We couldn't trade for Danger in 2010 and we couldn't stop Ablett from leaving. It's the complete opposite of apples and apples.

It would be apples for apples if West Coast waited until 2025 like we had to wait to 2016 for Danger. Very different scenarios TK isn't a FA and is far off becoming one.

 

[Chocoholic]

Do I need to pop in more of his quotes to show you how selfish he is making Geelong look? Why doesn't he just say 'hey mate, we would really love you to stay.'?

Instead he says - 'fighting tooth and nail to keep him' ' four first round picks and Martin' and 'cant see a trade happening'

Astounding

Yeah since Scott can't see it happening now doesn't mean one can't be done at all. Perhaps if you trade up the draft we would be looking at one being done then. If you had a top 10 draft pick it would be a very different story. I have no doubt Scott tried that we love for you to stay in with Kelly when speaking to him.

Cleary the four first round picks and Martin was a joke, if only!

Honestly, can see this being done day one if he wants out.

It is just a bit of posturing.

 

[Capriati]

Yeah since Scott can't see it happening now doesn't mean one can't be done at all. Perhaps if you trade up the draft we would be looking at one being done then. If you had a top 10 draft pick it would be a very different story. I have no doubt Scott tried that we love for you to stay in with kelly when speaking to him.

Cleary the four first round picks and Martin was a joke, if only!

Honestly, can see this being done day one if he wants out.

It is just a bit of posturing.

Yeah, you are right about all those things.

Although I will say that Chris Scott's behaviour really let down the Geelong Football Club and if I was a supporter of a club he was involved with I would be highly embarassed.

 

[archiemoses]

You got an actual Brownlow medalist for one first round pick, because he wanted to be home. Got Ablett back for SFA.

This is a real test of Geelong’s credibility - let’s see if they do the right thing, or if that only applies one way.

I think we all know that answer.

 

[BartBart]

And now he will have to make a decision if he hasn't made it already.

Reportedly Kelly and his family were settling in better this year so we can only hope he stays but up to him and his family.

Yet Geelong still haven't got Kelly to re-sign

 

[archiemoses]

Those comments from Scott do more harm to Geelong than good.

As the other poster put it, real test of Geelongs credibility and I expect them to fail miserably

 

[Chocoholic]

Yet Geelong still haven't got Kelly to re-sign

Gaff didn't resign till the end of the year when his contract was up as well.

Right now things are up in the air and I say after the GF we will know where we stand.

 

[Benny78]

Do I need to pop in more of his quotes to show you how selfish he is making Geelong look? Why doesn't he just say 'hey mate, we would really love you to stay.'?

Instead he says - 'fighting tooth and nail to keep him' ' four first round picks and Martin' and 'cant see a trade happening'

Astounding

I think everyone understands and feels sorry for Geelong. Tim Kelly looks extremely bad and West Coast are quietly hiding behind him.

The only ones morally outraged funnily enough are Eagles fans. They look disgusting to everyone genuinely demanding another clubs player 2 years in. They won't be forcing any moral guilt from Geelong this off season that's for sure.

 

[BartBart]

Gaff didn't resign till the end of the year when his contract was up as well.

Right now things are up in the air and I say after the GF we will know where we stand.

He wasn't absolutely desperate to go home - he was pretty torn on the decision on whether to go and stay. Kelly seems more likely than not to go the whole time.

 

[archiemoses]

If Geelong care about Kelly that much then they should do what is right and relocate the club to WA.

Heck, they could even swap with Freo, a port city, popular in the 90s and like Geelong most things relevant have abandoned it.

 

[Chocoholic]

I think everyone understands and feels sorry for Geelong. Tim Kelly looks extremely bad and West Coast look shameless overlooking him for 5 years then clearly offering him a deal at the end of the 2018 season.

The only ones outraged funnily enough are Eagles fans.

And then to suggest we don't do right by our players which is something the club prides itself on given we were that close to trading Kelly last year for significant unders once again when he refused to play for Freo boggles my mind.

Trade will happen if he wants it, if WCE can come to the table with better picks.

 

[BartBart]

I think everyone understands and feels sorry for Geelong. Tim Kelly looks extremely bad and West Coast look shameless (overlooking him for 5 years then offering him a deal at the end of the 2018 season).

The only ones outraged funnily enough are Eagles fans.

Geelong overlooked Kelly for years too.
Kelly doesn't look any worse than any other player leaving a club that they would prefer to keep.

 

[Chocoholic]

He wasn't absolutely desperate to go home - he was pretty torn on the decision on whether to go and stay. Kelly seems more likely than not to go the whole time.

Apparently it isn't so clear cut this time, but we are in with a sneaky chance which is better than none.

If he wants to leave, so be it and a trade should happen with WCE getting better picks.

Not even worried.

 

[Capriati]

And then to suggest we don't do right by our players which is something the club prides itself on given we were that close to trading Kelly last year for significant unders once again when he refused to play for Freo boggles my mind.

Trade will happen if he wants it, if WCE can come to the table with better picks.

This is disingenuous. You had no intention of trading him last year no matter what. You did the bear minimum in servicing his request.

 

[Benny78]

This is disingenuous. You had no intention of trading him last year no matter what. You did the bear minimum in servicing his request.

and we'll keep doing this until he's a free agent or walks into the draft. It's not your player to expect or demand

 

[Chocoholic]

This is disingenuous. You had no intention of trading him last year no matter what. You did the bear minimum in servicing his request.

If that was the case we wouldn't have bothered with trying to trade with you at all, let alone be at the door of the person who approves trades just before the deadline.

We clearly tried which I am not even sure why when you look back at the HS article about it as it seemed we did all the work and were willing to take unders when you refused to trade up.