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[The Sloane Ranger]

Alex

It is obsurb to even suggest that Sauce was not a trade win, identifying low cost gems is the secret to trade success just as Sydney has done with Richards, Kennedy & McGlynn

 

[Vader]

With some salary cap relief I wouldn't rule out a further delisting of a contracted Player more at the lower end of the pay scale

The problem with that is that their 2013 salary would have to be included under the 2012 salary cap. I'm not sure how tight our salary cap is/was this year, but it must be fairly tight if Tambling has managed to survive purely on the basis of being contracted for 2013.

It looks like we'll have plenty of room to move with our salary cap in 2013.. but 2012 is almost done and dusted, so there's probably not a lot of scope for change there.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

What a complete and utter load of rubbish. The club's values and ability to work a trade will be seen once the final trade is announced. Until then, it's flat out unprofessional to be discussing confidential and highly sensitive discussions in anything other than the broadest of terms - which is exactly what the likes of Harper & Ireland have done all week.

Says the person who hasn't paid for a membership in how many years?

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Alex

It is obsurb to even suggest that Sauce was not a trade win, identifying low cost gems is the secret to trade success just as Sydney has done with Richards, Kennedy & McGlynn

Obsurb? no, not even close.

But I will accept that sometime (and this was one of them) it is more than acceptable to pay over for a player you know will be a benefit to you.

BTW - Scott Stevens was traded for pick 29 and 45. Not bad for a player on the verge of getting delisted his first 18 months at the club.

 

[Danoz]

Oh please!!!!!

Do you 2 honestly believe they are that cryptic and in fact are planning on sending a premiership player somewhere but not the Crows?

Give me a break.

Not quite, I believe Ireland is talking out of his arse, and will not have the final say on who gets traded.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Wow 253 pages- it has clearly it a raw nerve!

I understand as Tippett did say he wanted to go home. But correct me if I am wrong didn't he also stay for an additional 2- 3 years when GC came as a show of faith?

The way I see it, it is now skewed in the swans favour as Brisbane, GC and Adelaide have all ruled themselves out of drafting/ trading for Tippett.

The swans virtually gave the Crows Scott Stevens for nothing, gave up a good picks for Mattner and Armstrong, so there is credit built up in the trading history.

Should things break down there is the threat of the PSD, which is risky, but at the same time I can only think of Nick Stevens as a player who hasn't gone to his club of choice via PSD and in effect he wanted to come to a big club in Melbourne so went to Carlton over Collingwood. We have shown in the past by picking up Bradshaw and Craig Bolton that it can work.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out, but I suspect that our first 2 picks or first pick and player will get it done.

Adelaide are a strong club and will move on no probs, have to take my hat off that even after losing Davis and Bock they have developed Shaw, Talia etc. as key backs so no doubt they will find KPF support for Walker

We will see

It wont be your first 2 picks otherwise the deal would have already been agreed too. This is more hope than reality on your part I suspect.
If its a player and a pick, depending on the player, we may also accept pick 22, however it will have to be someone the Crows rate very highly and that rules out Jesse White or some spud that the Swans dont rate.

 

[jenny61_99]

So you read every single post made on this board?

I think not, and if you do. That's you're problem. Learn how to skim read.



At the moment, all we can gauge from the communication coming from the club is - we will receive pick 22 and a player coming off a career threatening leg injury who has no guarantee of fully recovering. Michael Barlow is only just getting back to 100% form and fitness and that happened nearly 3 years ago, and Nathan Brown never fully recovered. I can see why Sydney would be pushing this angle as they know they will receive a very good key forward for a player who may not play until the second half of next season and will take another 6 months to regain his movement, agility and flexibly. Saying that, he is a midfielder and the last time I checked, we don't need any more midfielder - who missed out? Our midfield was one of our positives form season 2012 and now, it's too late to trade for a quality player.

So we will either trade for a player who won't start running until mid December (if all goes to plan) if not latter and then won't be ready to play until mid March and then find some time to gain a solid fitness base in the SANFL or hopefully generate a pick in the mid teens and draft a player.

either way, we lose. The club needed to get on the front foot and demand Sydney find a top 5 pick or go get screwed and no where (apart from Big Footy) has that been mentioned.

I don't care if my posting annoys you Jenny but I'm not going to put my head in the sand and just accept the crap the club says time and time after time and then when it's all done and dusted and we have been bent over, do nothing - it's not good enough. Sorry but the trends this is taking, is looking very familiar to events at this club that have gone on in the past.

Scott Thompson and Brad Crouch are 2 wins in the past 15 odd years.

If I recall correctly you fapped around like an old goose last trade period despite Phil Harper saying "wait until you see the end result". You fapped, and fapped and fapped and bugger me, we ended up ok. Just chill out.

 

[jenny61_99]

Oh please!!!!!

Do you 2 honestly believe they are that cryptic and in fact are planning on sending a premiership player somewhere but not the Crows?

Give me a break.

Yes. Alex, logic says they HAVE to trade one of their GOOD players to get this deal done. Ok, so he clearly says it won't be to the Crows, therefore it MUST be somewhere else.

 

[BUTTON 92]

Apparently Collingwood are being offered pick 20 for Dawes. If we only get 22 and steak knives for Tippett it will be an insult. Harper and Noble need to neck a few litres of cement and harden up!

 

[jenny61_99]

And yet neither you or your 'like seemingly take exception to the labelling of posters as 'morons'.Funny that. Could it be that is not the content that offends but rather the side of the debate?

Pot, kettle... ?

 

[Heafy83]

Wow 253 pages- it has clearly it a raw nerve!

I understand as Tippett did say he wanted to go home. But correct me if I am wrong didn't he also stay for an additional 2- 3 years when GC came as a show of faith?

Don't buy this at all. He was also very well compensated for this and dare I say it being paid more here than he would have at the GC. Remember last time he signed 12 months early into his contract. This suggests that maybe even GC weren't chasing him at that stage and he was the foil for Bock.

My issue is all along he stated to the media, players, club that at some stage he would like to go 'home'. It's now evident he wanted to go to the highest bidder. I don't mind this either except have the balls to come out and say this in the first place and don't try and play us for fools.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

If I recall correctly you fapped around like an old goose last trade period despite Phil Harper saying "wait until you see the end result". You fapped, and fapped and fapped and bugger me, we ended up ok. Just chill out.

Sun.Shine.Dog.Arse

yeah, ok - not great or fantastic but ok.

We are losing a vital key to out forward line and a very important player to our success but I somehow suspect, you will be more than happy if we simply end up OK.

News flash Jenny, I won't be happy with OK. We need to gain over and find a massive way to make this happen. If we don't, we need to send a message to every other club as the trends will continue to happen. All they need to do is offer one of our player a better deal and they will leave and then we will simply accept an OK deal.

Not good enough.

 

[Cap]

Looks like you lot are as sensitive as I heard... hilarious response that. Who would have thought we were all chatting on a sporting fan forum, seems like it's a matter of life and death to some.

We are all chatting on a sports forum, not sure what you are doing here?

There is no sensitivity to common sense, but like the "real world" w***ers are just not tolerated.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Yes. Alex, logic says they HAVE to trade one of their GOOD players to get this deal done. Ok, so he clearly says it won't be to the Crows, therefore it MUST be somewhere else.

Logic and reality are 2 very different things.

Yes logic says hey have to

Reality says - they don't want to and will do whatever it takes to prevent this from happening.

Pick 22 and Rohan won't cut the mustard but that seems to be the reality of this trade.

 

[Johnny Roberts]

BTW - Scott Stevens was traded for pick 29 and 45. Not bad for a player on the verge of getting delisted his first 18 months at the club.

Scott Stevens was traded for an exchange of picks, not for the actual picks. I am not comparing him to Tippett, but as the swans did with Schneider and Dempster to the saints, they have shown they will assist players get a second crack at AFL for a nominal amount as a goodwill gesture.

 

[jenny61_99]

Sun.Shine.Dog.Arse

yeah, ok - not great or fantastic but ok.

We are losing a vital key to out forward line and a very important player to our success but I somehow suspect, you will be more than happy if we simply end up OK.

News flash Jenny, I won't be happy with OK. We need to gain over and find a massive way to make this happen. If we don't, we need to send a message to every other club as the trends will continue to happen. All they need to do is offer one of our player a better deal and they will leave and then we will simply accept an OK deal.

Not good enough.

We ended up better than ok FFS. We ended up with Jacobs, Lynch Jenkins and got Crouch is the Mini draft. We did exceptionally well.

 

[jenny61_99]

Logic and reality are 2 very different things.

Yes logic says hey have to

Reality says - they don't want to and will do whatever it takes to prevent this from happening.

Pick 22 and Rohan won't cut the mustard but that seems to be the reality of this trade.

Of course they don't want to, but they know full well they can't have their cake (Tippett) and eat it too (for nothing).

 

[Cap]

ahh but Jenny, you have to scrap away any of the positives and only focus on the negatives remember!

its a fact, that some on this board would be better negotiators that Nobles and Co and would have pretty much sown up a premiership team this trade week.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Apparently Collingwood are being offered pick 20 for Dawes. If we only get 22 and steak knives for Tippett it will be an insult. Harper and Noble need to neck a few litres of cement and harden up!

Let's be fair to Noble & co and wait for the trade to materialize before branding them as soft

 

[TheTonic]

Pick 22 and Rohan won't cut the mustard but that seems to be the reality of this trade.

All depends on how his recovery from the leg injury is tracking...

 

[jenny61_99]

All depends on how his recovery from the leg injury is tracking...

OUCH!

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

We ended up better than ok FFS. We ended up with Jacobs, Lynch Jenkins and got Crouch is the Mini draft. We did exceptionally well.

Johnston - not Jacobs

We ended up with 4 player (3 who are not regulars and 1 not qualified) who didn't player a whole lot of senior football. How is that exceptionally well?

Way too early yet Jenny to make those claims.

You are welcome to live in fantasy land where everything works out but as long as the average life span of an AFL player is 3 1/3 years, player who don't make an automatic impact or have a spot ready for them to walk into are heading the wrong way.

Come back in 12 months and suggest this again but it's too early to say 'exceptionally well'

Johnstone, Jenkins (maybe) and Crouch yes but they still have a lot of work to go.

 

[jenny61_99]

Johnston - not Jacobs

We ended up with 4 player (3 who are not regulars and 1 not qualified) who didn't player a whole lot of senior football. How is that exceptionally well?

Way too early yet Jenny to make those claims.

You are welcome to live in fantasy land where everything works out but as long as the average life span of an AFL player is 3 1/3 years, player who don't make an automatic impact or have a spot ready for them to walk into are heading the wrong way.

Come back in 12 months and suggest this again but it's too early to say 'exceptionally well'

Johnstone, Jenkins (maybe) and Crouch yes but they still have a lot of work to go.

Did we not get Jacobs through the trade period this time last year????

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Did we not get Jacobs through the trade period this time last year????

No, the year before hence why we were comfortable to trade Maric.

 

[WheresGroomgone]

Sun.Shine.Dog.Arse

yeah, ok - not great or fantastic but ok.

We are losing a vital key to out forward line and a very important player to our success but I somehow suspect, you will be more than happy if we simply end up OK.

News flash Jenny, I won't be happy with OK. We need to gain over and find a massive way to make this happen. If we don't, we need to send a message to every other club as the trends will continue to happen. All they need to do is offer one of our player a better deal and they will leave and then we will simply accept an OK deal.

Not good enough.

Come on get some sense of realism - Tippett has walked out on us we haven't offered to trade him we are not going to be the big winners that you want, he has stated his desire to leave therefore we lose some if not all of our bargaining power -if we end up on the reasonable side of OK we have done well.

Have a coffee or something and smile and just let the anger go.