Tippett's Gone - READ RULES BEFORE POSTING

[Tex200]

I suspect that, internally at least, the club has a very good idea of what they're getting at this point. Given how tight space is on our senior list, upgrading Callinan was a massive list management decision and one that surely would not have been taken if the club wasn't very sure about the picks and players we're likely to end up with in this trade period.

As it stands, we have 2 spots left on the list to be filled through the draft, 3 if we don't replace Tippett with another player. I expect that we will end up getting 2 first rounders out of the Tippett trade, giving us 3 all up. I reckon we will trade one of the 3 (probably pick 22) for either GHS or Giles, leaving us with 2 live picks in the draft, both first rounders. Then I expect a bit of late horseplay with us trying to bundle up some draft picks (including the Knights compo) to upgrade one or both of our first rounders.

There we go, detailed speculation based on the announcement of a rookie upgrade.

There is one other thing I'm really worried about, but I won't write it here in case somebody is reading (unlikely I know - but the Gibbs saga shows how anything of big footy can make it into the public arena and become reality).

I think that's a pretty good assessment.

I imagine we currently have irons in both the Giles and ghs fires expecting to land one with giles the preferred choice if we have one.

My concern is any pressure on our guys by the management of those 2players to get a deal done. We may end up caving on deal to some degree to get that pick 22 and use it.

 

[The Karma Bus]

But we should, the club should be using this as a perfect opportunity to sell the club and it's values to new and existing members. However, at the moment, the only thing I see this club standing for is accepting a loss of one of it's most marketable players.

The club should be selling it's values that thy won't let other clubs walk over the top of us and just because Kurt Tippett wants to leave - we will make it as hard as possible for him and others. But that isn't the perception I am gaining, far from it in fact.

The reality is that all sorts of posturing for all sorts of reasons is carried out via the media.. We can't even begin to get into the heads of those involved to work out why they're saying what they're saying.. It could even be because of something said in a meeting..

All that matters is when they sit at that table to trade talk with Sydney that they are doing the right things, that's where the outcome lies.. Sydney won't be sitting there saying "but guys you said in the media today that you will let us walk all over you, why u play hard and ask for Rohan/Mitchell etc?"

Ireland says Mitchell definitely not for trade, Faith says they know for fact he has been shopped around..

Tippett was a beach boy at heart and if you've ever been to the Gold Coast, you'll know what he's talking about.. He won't deny he misses the Gold Coast and home..

That's called a Tippotroll..
See how easy that was?

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

FFS people can we stick to the thread subject

Too many threads are being hyhacked and ruined by posters having their personal post war that goes on for pages

Cmon Mods keep threads under control (it seems to be the same serial offenders)

 

[johnnypanther]

Will be a star if Medicals prove OK ........gives us the height and linebreaking speed that we really need

I continue to hope on this deal ......my ideal outcome

and even though Sydney may have said no at this stage - we should pursue that deal - get Danger (and others) to convince Rohan to want to come here .... and force the issue.

Extremely disappointed with Sydney's attitude to this trade. (if it is as has been reported so far).

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

With some salary cap relief I wouldn't rule out a further delisting of a contracted Player more at the lower end of the pay scale

 

[Heafy83]

and even though Sydney may have said no at this stage - we should pursue that deal - get Danger (and others) to convince Rohan to want to come here .... and force the issue.

Extremely disappointed with Sydney's attitude to this trade. (if it is as has been reported so far).

If we were to secure Rohan should we lobby to change the team name to the Adelaide Rangas

 

[feenix67]

and even though Sydney may have said no at this stage - we should pursue that deal - get Danger (and others) to convince Rohan to want to come here .... and force the issue.

Extremely disappointed with Sydney's attitude to this trade. (if it is as has been reported so far).

You cant seriously expect Sydney to put their best offer on the table straight up.

As someone else said previously, I'd love to play poker with some of you guys

 

[The Karma Bus]

and even though Sydney may have said no at this stage - we should pursue that deal - get Danger (and others) to convince Rohan to want to come here .... and force the issue.

Extremely disappointed with Sydney's attitude to this trade. (if it is as has been reported so far).

Sydney are just trying to make us blink first..
They'll cave and cough up a Rohan/Parker type I think..
Only way they won't is if they don't really care much for if they get Tippett or not.. and everything points to that they do care..

 

[jenny61_99]

No, because no one is forcing you to read that negativity.

However, I don't believe your pissed off at the negativity being posted, you're pissed off at the lack of player movement and outcomes we want. If the outcome were coming in our favour, their wouldn't be any negative posting and you wouldn't be pissed off. Deep down, you now the people who are posting with negativity are correct but you simply won't admit it.

In relation to Kurt Tippett - as a supporter of this club, we have had nothing to indicate to s that we will win this deal or even come out equal. Sydney have said, they will not trade any premiership player, they don't want to trade any extra good young player who didn't play in the premiership and they don't wish to keep their draft picks.

Please direct me to a position where I can start gaining some positive well-being that has been posted that will allow us to gain a positive outcome?

You can't be serious! You have to sift through knee high negative bullshit to get to the interesting posts! You can't AVOID them!

We also have nothing to indicate that we WON'T win out of this deal. FFS Alex we have NO indication whatsoever because NOTHING has happened! Stop going off half cocked and jumping at shadows. They (both Sydney AND Adelaide) will only tell us what they think we want to hear. I suspect Ireland is saying what Sydney fans want to hear, and Harper is really not giving much away, but I think it's more like he's underplaying things - ie. under promise and over deliver so we all get warm fuzzies when the deal turns out to be better than the shadow jumpers expect. (They've done this before). Look, I'll be the first in line behind you if a good exchange can't be done - not that I think it is within our control. Tippett took that out of our hands by nominating Sydney - could he have set us up deliberately as a last act of prickdom? Anyways, moot point. It is what it is, and we have to wait and see.

 

[knobby]

With some salary cap relief I wouldn't rule out a further delisting of a contracted Player more at the lower end of the pay scale

Cant think of anyone though - the obvious would be Tambling but he wouldnt be at the low end

Maybe someone is involved in trading ?? Otten/Riley/Jaensch/Tambling (he is the sort of bloke Sydney could turn around)

 

[jenny61_99]

But neither was prepared to put on public record how the trade is unfolding.​

​

"That's because what is correct now could be false later," said Ireland. "But we are still confident we will reach a resolution both clubs will be happy with."​

​

​

Noble added: "We're certainly moving in the right direction. We're optimistic (on a trade)."​

​

Gold Coast football chief Marcus Ashcroft maintains the Suns will not plan to claim Tippett in the draft.​

​

"We have not given Kurt another thought (since he nominated Sydney on Saturday)," said Ashcroft. "We are looking at other mature-age players."​

​

This gives the Swans a safety net to claim Tippett in the draft without compensation to Adelaide. But Ireland says Sydney values its reputation for doing trade deals rather than hurting rivals in the draft.​

​

Ireland also maintained the Swans did not see the need to offer premiership players to the Crows.​

​

As speculation continues on senior Sydney players wanting answers on how Tippett earns his place in their guarded inner circle, Ireland says: "It won't compromise our future if Kurt comes."​

​

​

​

​

Read more: http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/sydney-president-andrew-ireland-confident-of-snaring-adelaide-forward-kurt-tippett/story-e6frf33l-1226494183820#ixzz292PNESg7​

* Doesn't say anything about not offering premiership players to other clubs though.

 

[AndrewJo]

But we should, the club should be using this as a perfect opportunity to sell the club and it's values to new and existing members. However, at the moment, the only thing I see this club standing for is accepting a loss of one of it's most marketable players.

The club should be selling it's values that thy won't let other clubs walk over the top of us and just because Kurt Tippett wants to leave - we will make it as hard as possible for him and others. But that isn't the perception I am gaining, far from it in fact.

Settle down Alex. I understand your frustrations.It happens every year at trade time.I well remember previous years when we were all frustrated because we did not seem to know what was going on.All the trading is done behind closed doors and is kept secret for reasons. Who knows what players are being mentioned in deals. We may also have a few from our club but their names will remain a secret.Imagine Player X finding out that his name is being mentioned in trades this year. How is he going to feel about club loyalty?There is no doubt that some Sydney players have been discussed in meetings with the Crows but Ireland will continue to say they are all off limits or not even being discussed. At the end of the trade period we will sit back, relax and say "Well done Noble, Ogilvy and Bailey! It was a difficult trade but you did well!"

 

[Danoz]

But neither was prepared to put on public record how the trade is unfolding.

"That's because what is correct now could be false later," said Ireland. "But we are still confident we will reach a resolution both clubs will be happy with."

​

Noble added: "We're certainly moving in the right direction. We're optimistic (on a trade)."

Gold Coast football chief Marcus Ashcroft maintains the Suns will not plan to claim Tippett in the draft.

"We have not given Kurt another thought (since he nominated Sydney on Saturday)," said Ashcroft. "We are looking at other mature-age players."

This gives the Swans a safety net to claim Tippett in the draft without compensation to Adelaide. But Ireland says Sydney values its reputation for doing trade deals rather than hurting rivals in the draft.

Ireland also maintained the Swans did not see the need to offer premiership players to the Crows.

As speculation continues on senior Sydney players wanting answers on how Tippett earns his place in their guarded inner circle, Ireland says: "It won't compromise our future if Kurt comes."




Read more: http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/sydney-president-andrew-ireland-confident-of-snaring-adelaide-forward-kurt-tippett/story-e6frf33l-1226494183820#ixzz292PNESg7

* Doesn't say anything about not offering premiership players to other clubs though.

My point exactly

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

You can't be serious! You have to sift through knee high negative bullshit to get to the interesting posts! You can't AVOID them!

So you read every single post made on this board?

I think not, and if you do. That's you're problem. Learn how to skim read.

We also have nothing to indicate that we WON'T win out of this deal. FFS Alex we have NO indication whatsoever because NOTHING has happened! Stop going off half cocked and jumping at shadows. They (both Sydney AND Adelaide) will only tell us what they think we want to hear. I suspect Ireland is saying what Sydney fans want to hear, and Harper is really not giving much away, but I think it's more like he's underplaying things - ie. under promise and over deliver so we all get warm fuzzies when the deal turns out to be better than the shadow jumpers expect. (They've done this before). Look, I'll be the first in line behind you if a good exchange can't be done - not that I think it is within our control. Tippett took that out of our hands by nominating Sydney - could he have set us up deliberately as a last act of prickdom? Anyways, moot point. It is what it is, and we have to wait and see.

At the moment, all we can gauge from the communication coming from the club is - we will receive pick 22 and a player coming off a career threatening leg injury who has no guarantee of fully recovering. Michael Barlow is only just getting back to 100% form and fitness and that happened nearly 3 years ago, and Nathan Brown never fully recovered. I can see why Sydney would be pushing this angle as they know they will receive a very good key forward for a player who may not play until the second half of next season and will take another 6 months to regain his movement, agility and flexibly. Saying that, he is a midfielder and the last time I checked, we don't need any more midfielder - who missed out? Our midfield was one of our positives form season 2012 and now, it's too late to trade for a quality player.

So we will either trade for a player who won't start running until mid December (if all goes to plan) if not latter and then won't be ready to play until mid March and then find some time to gain a solid fitness base in the SANFL or hopefully generate a pick in the mid teens and draft a player.

either way, we lose. The club needed to get on the front foot and demand Sydney find a top 5 pick or go get ****ed and no where (apart from Big Footy) has that been mentioned.

I don't care if my posting annoys you Jenny but I'm not going to put my head in the sand and just accept the crap the club says time and time after time and then when it's all done and dusted and we have been bent over, do nothing - it's not good enough. Sorry but the trends this is taking, is looking very familiar to events at this club that have gone on in the past.

Scott Thompson and Brad Crouch are 2 wins in the past 15 odd years.

 

[jo172]

Scott Thompson and Brad Crouch are 2 wins in the past 15 odd years.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

My point exactly

Doesn't say anything about not offering premiership players to other clubs though.

Oh please!!!!!

Do you 2 honestly believe they are that cryptic and in fact are planning on sending a premiership player somewhere but not the Crows?

Give me a break.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

AFL need to introduce flexibility to trade future draft picks

 

[Mattrox]

At this point I feel like ringing the bell.

Pessimists to the blue corner, optimists to the red corner. Surely we don't need to resort to personal attacks. It degrades the whole board at a time when opposition supporters are dropping in to watch the meltdowns and to stir the pot. It is all very frustrating but a lot can happen in 2 weeks.

If we all feel like we have to go buy lube after 2 weeks then by all means meltdown and grab the pitchforks and such.

 

[Macjoe]

Entertaining thread , but the PSD is not a realistic option.
There is a populist view that the AFC should show strength by letting SKurt "fall into the Pre-Season Draft". This view is usually in posts that read: "..balls..", "...bend over...", "...lube...", ...HTFU..." and complain about how weak AFC has been in the past. It certainly has attractions, many of us would just feel better if Noble said "F**k off" to Sydney, and did nothing.
That would "teach f****** SKurt and those f****** Swans!"
But would it? Time for a reality-check about the PSD.

· It is the second to LAST step in the whole FA, trade period, draft saga, happening on December 11th as a trivial preamble to the Rookie Draft (AFL has scheduled 5 minutes for it). See AFL 2012 Key Dates - Trade and Draft Period.

· It happens after the Clubs have made List Lodgement Three to the AFL, on November 29 - SKurt is not an Adelaide listed player if he goes into the PSD, no compensation at all.

· The only Clubs to have picks in the PSD are clubs who still have a vacancy on their list after FA, trade and the draft AND have convinced the AFL they have some space under their salary cap. That means it's no good thinking "Oh, GC or Melb will pick him up 'cos they have early picks" - these clubs will only have a PSD pick if they have planned it, and everyone will know about it. SKurt can't "slide" to anyone.

· A player who has nominated for the PSD can set a salary package.

· For the record, in 2011 GWS Giants had the first 6 picks in the PSD, NONE OF WHICH THEY USED. There were ONLY 5 PICKS USED:

o 7: Aaron Hall > Gold Coast

o 8: John McCarthy (RIP) > Port Adelaide

o 9: Brett O'Hanlon > Richmond

o 10: Zac Dawson > Fremantle

o 11: Fletcher Roberts > Western Bulldogs


So if no trade was done, and SKurt entered the PSD, what would happen?

· Probably, Swans would pick SKurt. SKurt gets club of choice, AFC gets nothing.

or

· GWS Giants, despite saying they are not interested, will pick him up (either in the PSD, or in some complex twist of their various concessions).

o Giants list can be between 44-50 next year, and they probably won't go to 50, so list space isn't an issue only for them.

o To believe this, we either have to believe GWS would pick up at a massive salary a player who does not want to play for them (and carries all his other baggage)

o or we believe it is all some fantastic conspiracy concocted by Sheedy, Blucher and Skurt to get him to the Giants for free.

or

· GC will pick him up.

o This could be the plan all along, but why? AFC has conceded it would have gone along with the 'Go-Home Understanding' for GC, so why bother for the sake of a second round draft pick?

If SKurt isn't traded the draft will have extra interest in seeing which club(s) leave an unfilled spot!

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Would he be the same player at Carlton today if he stayed?

That win was generated by this game time, player development and opportunity. He was a 4th string ruck man at Carlton who was only getting a game because of injury. At the time of the deal, he wasn't a win (he wasn't a loss either)

IMO - we have only won twice where we have given less away than we have gained. We have developed very good player out of trades made but only won twice at the moment of the trade.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Piss poor post

And yet neither you or your 'like seemingly take exception to the labelling of posters as 'morons'.Funny that. Could it be that is not the content that offends but rather the side of the debate?

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

People on here that want Giles.

How do Giles Jenkins(or Smack or Johnston) Walker and Jacobs all fit into 1 team?

Walker - FF/CHF
Jacobs - main ruck
Giles - ruck/forward
Jenkins CHF/FF
Smack - carry the drinks
Johnston - probably unlucky
sub Giles / Jenkins for Stiffy to change forward line match ups if needed.

might work.

 

[Vader]

But we should, the club should be using this as a perfect opportunity to sell the club and it's values to new and existing members. However, at the moment, the only thing I see this club standing for is accepting a loss of one of it's most marketable players.

The club should be selling it's values that thy won't let other clubs walk over the top of us and just because Kurt Tippett wants to leave - we will make it as hard as possible for him and others. But that isn't the perception I am gaining, far from it in fact.

What a complete and utter load of rubbish. The club's values and ability to work a trade will be seen once the final trade is announced. Until then, it's flat out unprofessional to be discussing confidential and highly sensitive discussions in anything other than the broadest of terms - which is exactly what the likes of Harper & Ireland have done all week.

 

[Johnny Roberts]

Wow 253 pages- it has clearly it a raw nerve!

I understand as Tippett did say he wanted to go home. But correct me if I am wrong didn't he also stay for an additional 2- 3 years when GC came as a show of faith?

The way I see it, it is now skewed in the swans favour as Brisbane, GC and Adelaide have all ruled themselves out of drafting/ trading for Tippett.

The swans virtually gave the Crows Scott Stevens for nothing, gave up a good picks for Mattner and Armstrong, so there is credit built up in the trading history.

Should things break down there is the threat of the PSD, which is risky, but at the same time I can only think of Nick Stevens as a player who hasn't gone to his club of choice via PSD and in effect he wanted to come to a big club in Melbourne so went to Carlton over Collingwood. We have shown in the past by picking up Bradshaw and Craig Bolton that it can work.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out, but I suspect that our first 2 picks or first pick and player will get it done.

Adelaide are a strong club and will move on no probs, have to take my hat off that even after losing Davis and Bock they have developed Shaw, Talia etc. as key backs so no doubt they will find KPF support for Walker

We will see

 

[Cap]

seriously, Scott Stevens