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alex_is_on_fire said:
Ron Chapman doesn't need to know squat about football - he is nothing but an administrator who is the chairman of the board.

What do you think the football operation manager does? That person is the person who need to know about football, not the chairman.
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Thats a shocker. Of course he needs to know football FFS.
 
headache1 said:
Not disagreeing with what you've posted there, but the real unknown seems to be Crouch. Emma Quayle's latest article seems to be a bit contradictory, in that she says we need to find a draft pick for Crouch to add him to our list, but it doesn't count as a selection. If he isn't an automatic upgrade, it would seem that our list size with Tippett still on it and the addition of Graham is 37.
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Didn't realise they would need to use a pick on Crouch. What your forgetting though is that if Crouch is not an automatic upgrade then your list would need to be 36 to accomodate Crouch + 2 draftees + Callinan.

AndrewJo said:
What about adding to our veterans list? Does that cancel out having to delist a player?
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No, veterans remain part of the senior list now.
 
Jars458 said:
Thats a shocker. Of course he needs to know football FFS.
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Yeah, no he doesn't. He needs to know how to run a business and he certainly knows how to run that.

He needs to know how to manage people, manage the communication between departments, delegate responsibly to people, be in front of the curve when trouble hits and make sure he employs the best people to do the right job.

Chapman isn't going to coach the team, de-list players, trade, recruit or sit in on match selection.
 

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I like many of you have followed this thread for what seems like an eternity.

I am really horrified that the club went down this path but I am even more horrified and astounded at the character of Kurt Tippett. How he can behave like this towards the club I find unbelievable. How could the club have been so wrong in their assessment of who he was? How could he betray his team mates like this?What sort of man is he?

Why any other club would want to pick him up is beyond me.

My fear is we will be hit really hard and he will walk his way to wherever, with not a second thought.

Really sad.
 
cmndstab said:
It hardly counts as punishment when he's prevented from exercising an illegal deal he and his management knowingly entered into.

I'd like to see that one stand up in court. "Well your honour, my client was already punished by not being able to drive the car he attempted to steal, so I think at this point we should just let him go."
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I don't actually think its an illegal deal, as no law has been broken. Should the AFC not deliberately frustrate (which I think they can claim to a reasonable level) the common law contract, between them and KT, for him to go to the club of his choice then they should be fine from a legal perspective - I would've thought. Of course the AFC could also try to argue (in the unlikely event KT sued them for breach of contract) that it wasn't a contract that could be relied upon. The deal may not have been sanctioned by the AFL but that just means it is a contract outside the rules of the AFL, not an illegal one.

KT's only legal gripe I imagine will be with the AFL if they unreasonably block his ability to pursue his preferred club however, I reckon the AFL will do a deal just to 'be seen' to punish AFC and KT for their agreement. Maybe a loss of two draft picks for AFC with a small fine (although I reckon a fine is a bit over the top considering the alleged circumstances that have come to light so far), and KT suspended for a handfull of matches in 2013 wherever he goes. I think the major risk to KT is that he won't end up at the club of his choice, and as long as the AFL don't go too hard on him he won't have any recourse.
 
alex_is_on_fire said:
Yeah, no he doesn't. He needs to know how to run a business and he certainly knows how to run that.

He needs to know how to manage people, manage the communication between departments, delegate responsibly to people, be in front of the curve when trouble hits and make sure he employs the best people to do the right job.

Chapman isn't going to coach the team, de-list players, trade, recruit or sit in on match selection.
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True, seems to be a complete lack of understanding of the role of a board. Chapman is not the CEO.
 
Go You Crows said:
I like many of you have followed this thread for what seems like an eternity.

I am really horrified that the club went down this path but I am even more horrified and astounded at the character of Kurt Tippett. How he can behave like this towards the club I find unbelievable. How could the club have been so wrong in their assessment of who he was? How could he betray his team mates like this?What sort of man is he?

Why any other club would want to pick him up is beyond me.

My fear is we will be hit really hard and he will walk his way to wherever, with not a second thought.

Really sad.
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I had the same feelings as well.

Hate living in the city of Adelaide all you like - most can somehow understand that, but what did the club do to him that was so rotten?

A after the first week of trading with Sydney didn't go to plan, any person with a balanced level of common sense and common decency would have said to his manager and to Swans to just get a deal done. They would have accepted the Crows are working towards making a deal get done, paid him very handsomely for his services and are working on a trade to get him to the club of his choice.

Most people would have said -all deals are off and just get a deal done. Then we can all move on.

However, something is rotten at the club between Kurt and ether the playing group, coaching staff of the board. But what?

I don't believe someone is that vindictive, so something must have pissed him off right royally. But what???
 
juzzo said:
Didn't realise they would need to use a pick on Crouch. What your forgetting though is that if Crouch is not an automatic upgrade then your list would need to be 36 to accomodate Crouch + 2 draftees + Callinan.
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You would think that if we have to use a pick in the draft to put him on the list, he would count as a selection, so we'd only need draft one new player, then add Crouch + Callinan, accounting for the remaining two of the mandatory three picks. Then once Tippett is officially off our list, we can just nominate a rookie (Laird would be my guess) to fill the remaining list spot.
 

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alex_is_on_fire said:
Ron Chapman doesn't need to know squat about football - he is nothing but an administrator who is the chairman of the board.

What do you think the football operation manager does? That person is the person who need to know about football, not the chairman.
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True, but the chairman and the rest of the board need to know enough to be able to assess the performance of those that should. Trigg has seemingly been given free reign and even now, all we've heard is how good he's been. They're already backing themselves into a corner.
 
headache1 said:
You would think that if we have to use a pick in the draft to put him on the list, he would count as a selection, so we'd only need draft one new player, then add Crouch + Callinan, accounting for the remaining two of the mandatory three picks. Then once Tippett is officially off our list, we can just nominate a rookie (Laird would be my guess) to fill the remaining list spot.
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"Crouch does not count as one of the compulsory three picks." I think that's pretty specific ;) If you want to question the reliability of that, she says on twitter that the AFL clarified their position last week. Both Adelaide and Gold Coast were expecting him to count as a selection but were told otherwise. She also raised the possibility of the club appealing this decision.



 
Tony must have banned Kurt from the net, he hasn't said anything on Twitter for weeks.

If he could see the abuse he's copping he would surely be crying himself to sleep.

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juzzo said:
"Crouch does not count as one of the compulsory three picks." I think that's pretty specific ;) If you want to question the reliability of that, she says on twitter that the AFL clarified their position last week. Both Adelaide and Gold Coast were expecting him to count as a selection but were told otherwise. She also raised the possibility of the club appealing this decision.
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David Nobel was also expecting a 3rd or 4th round pick for Chris Knights. He's been wrong before.

The hate from some people on this board for Emma Quayle since she broke the story and then increasing since her 5AA interview is really funny.

When a journalist tells you what to hear is a gun, when they don't they know shit. Then it's really funny when a gun journalist tells when what you don't what to hear, how quick they can turn into a scrub journalist is very funny.
 
alex_is_on_fire said:
I had the same feelings as well.

They would have accepted the Crows are working towards making a deal get done, paid him very handsomely for his services and are working on a trade to get him to the club of his choice.
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I think the two clubs may have each over estimated the strength of their respective negotiating positions. AFC probably didn't think pick 23 was worth it especially when taking into consideration the general views of its membership base (considering you would be threatened with a red card for apparent trolling from the moderators on this thread for mentioning that 23 would be the likely outcome that is quite possible), and SSFC wanted to get two birds with one stone by having Jesse White traded to another club, as he has asked for them for. By the time both clubs realised they weren't going to get what they thought they'd get it was too far down the negotiation path, and considering the attention it was getting then the AFC did the right thing by going to the AFL and getting them to sort it out.

Regarding what the crows did to Tippett that was so bad, I'd say (from my admittedly very limited knowledge) very little. Tippett just shouldn't have agreed to the three year deal as he wasn't happy, but instead he was convinced/coerced by his manager, father and the AFC that the extra money would make it all better. It seems three years on that he again put too much trust in his father and manager.
 
teddys mum said:
I think the two clubs may have each over estimated the strength of their respective negotiating positions. AFC probably didn't think pick 23 was worth it especially when taking into consideration the general views of its membership base (considering you would be threatened with a red card for apparent trolling from the moderators on this thread for mentioning that 23 would be the likely outcome that is quite possible), and SSFC wanted to get two birds with one stone by having Jesse White traded to another club, as he has asked for them for. By the time both clubs realised they weren't going to get what they thought they'd get it was too far down the negotiation path, and considering the attention it was getting then the AFC did the right thing by going to the AFL and getting them to sort it out.
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What are you talking about?

Pick 23 was never close enough. With or without any agreement in place at all. As soon as Chris Dawes was traded for pick 20 - pick 23 was never going to be close enough.

My point was, Kurt or his manager should have gone to the Swans and said - lets just get a deal done and accept there is no deal in place. Common sense and common courtesy of what Adelaide had done for him in the past years at that club.

If you don't understand that - don't reply.

Regarding what the crows did to Tippett that was so bad, I'd say (from my admittedly very limited knowledge) very little. Tippett just shouldn't have agreed to the three year deal as he wasn't happy, but instead he was convinced/coerced by his manager, father and the AFC that the extra money would make it all better. It seems three years on that he again put too much trust in his father and manager.
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The Tippett camp were the one who instigated the clause.
 
Keyza said:
I dont know where that information came from because its not true. In 2001 Carlton traded picks 14 and 30 and Mark Porter to North for Cory McKernan and picks 23 and 39. Pick 23 was then traded to Geelong for Justin Murphy. Carlton had 2 selections in the 3rd round of the 2001 draft after using its first 2 round picks in the trade period. Pick 39 on Justin Davies and the other on Jarrad Waite (f/s). Carlton were not banned from the 2001 draft. I think i remember it as they were suspended from the pre season draft. It was in 2002 that the penalties were handed down for breaches of payments to Stephen O'Reilly ($115,000) and undisclosed amounts to Silvagni and Williams. The 2001 fine was to do with Bradley and the veterans list rules and the club didnt disclose half of his additional services payments and if i remember it was a fine of $56,000 which was suspended and added to the next fine. Where the amount of exceeding the salary cap by $1.3 million over 2 years is interesting, not getting confused with Melbourne?
What i find staggering is that after what happened to Carlton the AFL warned clubs not to cheat, Carlton were made an example of.
How can clubs be so stupid?
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dont try to confuse us with your facts and reasonable arguments!
 
Loving Dangerfield's and JJ's swipes at Tippett on Twitter...can't wait for Tex to get in on the action.
 
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