Confirmed Tom Barrass & 2025 F4 (WCE) traded to Hawthorn for 2025 F1, F2 & F3 (all Haw)

[Guardian Hawk]

Not a top 15 pick but 21 and 41 for a 31 year old Brian Lake who was a 2 time AA and WB b&f winner by the time the Hawks got him and who was imo, as good as what Scarlett was, his peak period was just shorter.

He would retire after 3 years at the Hawks a triple premiership player and Norm Smith Medal winner.

He was the missing piece of the puzzle for the Hawks then who were right in the window.

Will Barrass be the same missing piece and are the Hawks as close as they think they are to make him worth it?

You're right - Lake is a similar type of player at a similar stage of his career. You are also right in highlighting that Lake was a significantly better, and more credentialed player than Barass. He was a multiple All Australian compared to Barass' 0.

What you're missing from that trade is that Hawthron got pick 27 back with Lake. So a much better player was traded for a pick swap in the 20s and a late pick. That's the market value of late career players.

Yet West Coast fans are trying to tell us that a top 15 pick and extras is lowballing for Barass. Your example perfectly illustrates my point.

The next most similar type of player traded was Aliir Aliir. But he was only 26 at the time. And he went for a 2nd rounder.

There is no way the Hawthorn offer was lowballing.

 

[hawkman]

Not a top 15 pick but 21 and 41 for a 31 year old Brian Lake who was a 2 time AA and WB b&f winner by the time the Hawks got him and who was imo, as good as what Scarlett was, his peak period was just shorter.

He would retire after 3 years at the Hawks a triple premiership player and Norm Smith Medal winner.

He was the missing piece of the puzzle for the Hawks then who were right in the window.

Will Barrass be the same missing piece and are the Hawks as close as they think they are to make him worth it?

You missed a big piece of that trade. It was 21 & 43 for Lake & 27

 

[triple treat]

Yes but West Coast are not shoving Barrass out the door.

Yeah, they kinda are!
The only reason he wants out is because the reneged on a pay rise that the previous “boss” agreed to but the current “boss” has said no!

 

[hawkinoz]

You missed a big piece of that trade. It was 21 & 43 for Lake & 27

So 33+F2 for Barass + 26 sounds on the money.

If Eagles can add his 70% salary, will replace one of those picks of ours with Hawks F1

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Not a top 15 pick but 21 and 41 for a 31 year old Brian Lake who was a 2 time AA and WB b&f winner by the time the Hawks got him and who was imo, as good as what Scarlett was, his peak period was just shorter.

He would retire after 3 years at the Hawks a triple premiership player and Norm Smith Medal winner.

He was the missing piece of the puzzle for the Hawks then who were right in the window.

Will Barrass be the same missing piece and are the Hawks as close as they think they are to make him worth it?

In terms of answering the missing piece question, before trading for Lake Hawthron finished top of the ladder with a percentage of 155. They were short odds for the flag and narrowly lost the Grand Final in a see sawing contest.

They had a star studded line up with arguablythe greatest forward line of all time. The only weakness was key defense, where they were playing Ryan Schoenmakers and an undersized Gibson put of position. Lake was also an absolute gun and available cheaply.

This year, Hawthorn finished 6th with a good injury run after years at the bottom. Hawthorn's defence was one of its strongest points, with its best player at CHB. Frost also had a career year and was hardly beaten. Scri.shaw had a great year, as did Weddle (both lining up on key forwards). We've now brought in Battle for free. Other areas of the field are bigger weaknesses.

Not saying Barass doesn't have a purpose. But the circumstances are completely different to Lake and the chances that Barass is the missing piece between flag success and not is extremely unlikely.

 

[triple treat]

So what do we reckon happens now?
Hawks future 1st and future 2nd to Eagles
Barrass to Hawks, Eagles get there 1st and 2nd they want without giving anything back, Hawks get Barrass and an extra 2nd next year.

 

[Ashman23]

That may be. But it won’t be at hawks.

And you went balls up with no picks this year to strengthen your team for a tilt at 2025.

You keep referring to our 2025 season and not improving even though we signed Battle and still have the draft to come.

Nothing's for certain but keep on post it, it gives me a giggle every time you do.

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

So what do we reckon happens now?
Hawks future 1st and future 2nd to Eagles
Barrass to Hawks, Eagles get there 1st and 2nd they want without giving anything back, Hawks get Barrass and an extra 2nd next year.

Needs a pick coming back from the eagles. Barrass not worth a 1st and a 2nd, that has been clearly established.

 

[kade]

Needs a pick coming back from the eagles. Barrass not worth a 1st and a 2nd, that has been clearly established.

Correct. A 3rd needs to come back.
The Eagles are just being unreasonable at this point

 

[5minutes_of_Dew]

I'm curious to see who West Coast think will finish highest between Hawthorn and Carlton.

They'll have the choice between our future 1st and 2nd and Carlton's future 1st and 2nd, could be a sliding doors moment if they choose wrong.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I'm curious to see who West Coast think will finish highest between Hawthorn and Carlton.

They'll have the choice between our future 1st and 2nd and Carlton's future 1st and 2nd, could be a sliding doors moment if they choose wrong.

It's both picks so we don't care .

We are not taking f1st and f2nd. He just stays and plays his career out at Eagles

 

[5minutes_of_Dew]

It's both picks .

Reading comprehension is important.

 

[Snoref]

It's both picks .

Hahaah..delusional

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Hahaah

Id take Swans pick 19 in a direct swap ahead of your f1st and f2nd

Another trade could easily be Barrass for pick 13 from Collingwood which is better then this trade too . Think Collingwood could easily turn his head if they miss out on Houston which seems likely

 

[Snoref]

Id take Swans pick 19 in a direct swap ahead of your f1st and f2nd

Another trade could easily be Barrass for pick 13 from Collingwood which is better then this trade too . Think Collingwood could easily turn his head if they miss out on Houston which seems likely

You had 14? But you rejected it and now you want to settle for 19?

I think calling you delusional was an understatement

 

[kade]

Id take Swans pick 19 in a direct swap ahead of your f1st and f2nd

Another trade could easily be Barrass for pick 13 from Collingwood which is better than this trade too . Think Collingwood could easily turn his head if they miss out on Houston which seems likely

Collingwood aren’t getting 13

 

[triple treat]

Correct. A 3rd needs to come back.
The Eagles are just being unreasonable at this point

But in reality the f1 and f2 has only cost us 14.

I think paying 14 and a future 2nd is where we wanted something back but by doing it this way it is essentially the Blues who have given the extra pick.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You had 14? But you rejected it and now you want to settle for 19?

I think calling you delusional was an understatement

Of course I wouldn't. I'm saying that pick 19 is a better offer basically and you are now behind a host of other teams

If Barrass wants out then he needs to find a new suitor at this point. Collingwood/North/Sydney if they are smart would get in his ear and move fr Houston to Barrass

 

[triple treat]

Of course I wouldn't. I'm saying that pick 19 is a better offer basically and you are now behind a host of other teams

If Barrass wants out then he needs to find a new suitor at this point. Collingwood/North/Sydney if they are smart would get in his ear and move fr Houston to Barrass

Wow, you really have thrown the toys out the cot.
He’s nominated Hawthorn and if he gets traded he will get traded to Hawthorn, can’t see him going anywhere else and I can’t see anyone else giving up what the Eagles are asking!

 

[Snoref]

Of course I wouldn't. I'm saying that pick 19 is a better offer basically and you are now behind a host of other teams

If Barrass wants out then he needs to find a new suitor at this point. Collingwood/North/Sydney if they are smart would get in his ear and move fr Houston to Barrass

Lol North? Sure they would want a 29 yo defender with back issues, fits their list profile and rebuild so we'll....

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Let it go mate, don't cry over spilt milk. Eagles fans should take the weekend off and breath.

You can still win

Haw: Barrass, 26 ( give - 33, F1(Haw), F2(Carl))
WC: Baker, 20, 51, F3 (give Barass, 26)
GC: Rioli, F1(Haw), F2(Carl) ( give - 6,13)
Rich: 6, 13, 33 ( Give - Rioli, Baker, 20, 51, F3)

Huh?

26 = F3 and 51 - terrible
Barrass = 20? - terrible

 

[Back Pocket Rocket]

Ahh West Coast supporters. Always brighten my day

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Wow, you really have thrown the toys out the cot.
He’s nominated Hawthorn and if he gets traded he will get traded to Hawthorn, can’t see him going anywhere else and I can’t see anyone else giving up what the Eagles are asking!

Then he just stays ? Why are you pretending that he is out of contract

Why would we bend over when he has a 3 year deal exactly?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

One giant issue with F1st also is Charlie Banfield is heading to that 10-20 range. We probably shouldn't get a pick for a father/son

 

[new breed]

I'm curious to see who West Coast think will finish highest between Hawthorn and Carlton.

They'll have the choice between our future 1st and 2nd and Carlton's future 1st and 2nd, could be a sliding doors moment if they choose wrong.

Both F1 picks Carlton /Hawthorn , which is probably #15 & #16 with Eagles F2 back to Hawthorn.
Without Tommy we could be bottom 2 again but I think we can be borderline in the eight .