Confirmed Tom Barrass & 2025 F4 (WCE) traded to Hawthorn for 2025 F1, F2 & F3 (all Haw)

[THE_GUN]

You know nothing about trading and player value. Again.

Yeah yeah

and you are a AFL list manager

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Yeah yeah

and you are a AFL list manager

No. Im just again simply replying to your view on a fooy forum.

 

[THE_GUN]

No. Im just again simply replying to your view on a fooy forum.

My view in this trade will be closer than your 2 x 1st rounders

 

[H00t]

The draft's a gacha game. Any list manager in the country would go out and spend a top pick on an elite KPD if they think they were in the window, instead of speculating on a kid who may come good once the window's passed.

It simply depends on a where a club sees they are at in the cycle and clearly Hawthorn thinks they are coming into contention and the backline is the main thing holding them back, which is why they're going for Barrass and Battle. They're not loking for stop-gap players here, they're looking to cash in and win flags.

That’s where pick 13 comes in. It gets silly when it becomes 2 firsts (even with a 2nd coming back) for a guy who we will hope to get 3 of his better years out of.

 

[FB19]

I hope we pull out of the trade simply to end this thread! It’s essentially loads of people haggling about a few minor differences in pick valuation and some whackos. With Frosts season and Battle confirmed and Blanck to return we could drop out and focus on drafting a KPD to develop with Will McCabe. There are plenty of good KP prospects in this draft that will be around our second round pick from the pies. Alas we won’t so see you in a month…

 

[Hawker399]

Setting aside things to me Barrass is worth around Pick 16-20.

 

[bzparkes]

That’s where pick 13 comes in. It gets silly when it becomes 2 firsts (even with a 2nd coming back) for a guy who we will hope to get 3 of his better years out of.

You clearly hope to get 5 years, hence the trigger.

 

[HeHateMe]

You clearly hope to get 5 years, hence the trigger.

I think your view is to simplistic.

The plan at this stage will likely be get 3 good years out of him and another as a seasoned vet leading the way, we would be hoping McCabe over takes him that season. Then we have an extra year option if his from is good enough to trigger it.

 

[bzparkes]

I think your view is to simplistic.

The plan at this stage will likely be get 3 good years out of him and another as a seasoned vet leading the way, we would be hoping McCabe over takes him that season. Then we have an extra year option if his from is good enough to trigger it.

You've offered him 5, which means you're expecting to contend during that time and need an elite KPD.

You're not bringing in Barrass to develop McCabe.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Which team gets more upset if the trade fails to get done


I would say the Eagles are more desperate to trade Barrass out for a pick than Hawks are to trade him into their club

#13 + F3 is more than enough to get this done

Why are we desperate. I would be happy to keep barrass.

We have so many kids on the list that we will struggle to give them all adequate game time while still keeping enough senior players in to develop and have on field leadership .

We are not going full norf and just filling most of the team with under 23s .

Looks like Richmond is going the full norf though

 

[HeHateMe]

You've offered him 5, which means you're expecting to contend during that time and need an elite KPD.

You're not bringing in Barrass to develop McCabe.

Ofc we are going to develop McCabe why else would he be on the list. He is a first round draft pick key defender. Would learn heaps off a Barrass.

 

[bzparkes]

Ofc we are going to develop McCabe why else would he be on the list. He is a first round draft pick key defender. Would learn heaps off a Barrass.

You're not bringing Barrass in to develop him though, you're bringing him in to win a flag.

Obviously senior players help younger players develop.

 

[HeHateMe]

You're not bringing Barrass in to develop him though, you're bringing him in to win a flag.

Obviously senior players help younger players develop.

We are bringing in Barrass for the immediate impact over the next 3 or so seasons correct.

 

[bzparkes]

We are bringing in Barrass for the immediate impact over the next 3 or so seasons correct.

5*

 

[Farang83150]

Did I say it was confirmed? I said it's a possibility. FMD some seriously dumb takes in here

FMD....you think it would've made "because he's has a friend" sound any more ridiculous than it already did.
Oh I forgot...some random bloke saying something's confirmed on BF carries SO much weight!

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

What have they got to salivate about?

Pick 3 they should use in the draft

Whatever they get for Barrass they will use on Baker which makes no sense

If they trade Waterman would help

Liam Ryan might get them something

But are they even going to trade the last 2 ?

Lol

We’ll be using the same pick we get for a contracted Barrass for an uncontracted Baker who wants to come home? Not a chance

 

[HeHateMe]

5*

Well he only has a 4 year contract with a trigger so if you want to hold that opinion it's 4. But 3 would be the expectation if we get 4 at that level that's a bonus, not expected, if we get 5 you beauty.

He doesn't need to be a star for all 5 years though to have an impact, you need senior leaders like we have with Gunston and Breust currently.

 

[bzparkes]

Well he only has a 4 year contract with a trigger so if you want to hold that opinion it's 4. But 3 would be the expectation if we get 4 at that level that's a bonus, not expected.

So just give him a 3 year contract on the same money then.

 

[HeHateMe]

So just give him a 3 year contract on the same money then.

Don't be silly, also can you explain your opinion more, in confused where it differs from my own.

 

[bzparkes]

Don't be silly, also can you explain your opinion more, in confused where it differs from my own.

Well you're saying it's only for 3 years(your club has offered 4 with a trigger for a 5th), it McCabe is going to come on, just save yourself the list spot and offer him the same money but a shorter contract.

 

[Farang83150]

Arrogant? Pretty sure that word doesn’t mean what you think it means.

For a KPD whose never been AA and won’t be in the league for much longer it’s a big price to pay.

So you obviously know WAY more than Sam Mitchell does...

 

[HeHateMe]

Well you're saying it's only for 3 years(your club has offered 4 with a trigger for a 5th), it McCabe is going to come on, just save yourself the list spot and offer him the same money but a shorter contract.

Okay I see where you got confused, no I said the club would be expecting 3 quality seasons out of Barrass with the 4th potentially being a transition year with McCabe. The 5th is a trigger if his body holds up he will trigger it so that's a bonus.

The club absolutely sees benifits with having Barrass around for a potential 5 years why wouldn't you. Doesn't mean the expectations can't change from what they expect year 1-2-3 and 4-5.

 

[Iceman!]

Expecting someone to honour their contract isn't pushing them out.

Gee some people are stupid on this board...

You are being so disingenuous. West Coast could happily satisfy his request without hurting the club, they are only in this position because of promises made to him. You are being super naive if you truly believe West Coast want him to stay.

 

[bzparkes]

You are being so disingenuous. West Coast could happily satisfy his request without hurting the club, they are only in this position because of promises made to him. You are being super naive if you truly believe West Coast want him to stay.

He's welcome to stay on the money he's on.

 

[TheFourPillars]

He's welcome to stay on the money he's on.

He's not staying