Recommitted Tom Mitchell [contracted and staying at Hawthorn]

[guruisatiger]

Samson Ryan literally had a hitout and a free against on debut.

and your point ??

 

[guruisatiger]

He was talking about VFL level, i was talking about AFL level and how he's not even close to being ready, he's years away.

bull shit

 

[Dewyyyyy]

and your point ??

That's bad FYI.

 

[PMBangers]

*sigh*

I know it's hard to stay on topic at times, but when we get to flinging shit at young Richmond players and commenting on their VFL form, we've probably strayed a little bit too far away from Tom Mitchell discussion, please stay somewhat on topic

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Tigers cap might need some massaging, so Hawks pay some salary and demand Picks 9 and 17 in return.

Remains to be seen if Sam would do that, or if he's happy enough to take the 3 picks inside 25.

 

[guruisatiger]

Tigers cap might need some massaging, so Hawks pay some salary and demand Picks 9 and 17 in return.

Remains to be seen if Sam would do that, or if he's happy enough to take the 3 picks inside 25.

richmond are going to the draft with there first 2 picks
try again

 

[daniel23]

richmond are going to the draft with there first 2 picks
try again

You the list manager ?

 

[guruisatiger]

You the list manager ?

im his brother

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

richmond are going to the draft with there first 2 picks
try again

He's contracted, so this was the supposed "god father" deal Richmond would need to offer to get Hawthorn to release him.

More than happy to keep him.

 

[guruisatiger]

He's contracted, so this was the supposed "god father" deal Richmond would need to offer to get Hawthorn to release him.

More than happy to keep him.

more than happy you keep him
dont want him
thats the worst supposed offer ever

 

[MJTHEGOAT]

Tigers cap might need some massaging, so Hawks pay some salary and demand Picks 9 and 17 in return.

Remains to be seen if Sam would do that, or if he's happy enough to take the 3 picks inside 25.

Tom Mitchell for pick 9 and 17? Even with Hawks paying all of his salary this is laughable

Pick 15 at best and you pay 30%

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Tom Mitchell for pick 9 and 17? Even with Hawks paying all of his salary this is laughable

Pick 15 at best and you pay 30%

You’re having a laugh.

 

[hawkman]

Tom Mitchell for pick 9 and 17? Even with Hawks paying all of his salary this is laughable

Pick 15 at best and you pay 30%

6 weeks ago i would probably agree. Not anymore, for the first time since 2018 is starting to be really damaging. Would be wanting the equivalent of inside 10 considering a traded pick will be 2 further out.
Prefer to keep him

 

[MJTHEGOAT]

You’re having a laugh.

Look I don't watch the Hawks every week, but I don't think Titch has hurt factor. Is one injury away from the best of his career being gone. Didn't he miss a whole year a few years ago? Sorry but you don't pay more than pick 15-20 for that. Not in the era of free agency

Pick 15 could get you a Will Day.

 

[Iceman!]

Look I don't watch the Hawks every week, but I don't think Titch has hurt factor. Is one injury away from the best of his career being gone. Didn't he miss a whole year a few years ago? Sorry but you don't pay more than pick 15-20 for that. Not in the era of free agency

Pick 15 could get you a Will Day.

I feel like people who say this

'but I don't think Titch has hurt factor.'

Often are people who also say this

'Look I don't watch the Hawks every week'

Funny what a media narrative can do

 

[HeHateMe]

Yeah he is hurting teams with that goal a game he has kicked the last 5 weeks. Just a value add to his 12 contested possessions and 5 Clearances.

 

[HairyO]

Look I don't watch the Hawks every week, but I don't think Titch has hurt factor. Is one injury away from the best of his career being gone. Didn't he miss a whole year a few years ago? Sorry but you don't pay more than pick 15-20 for that. Not in the era of free agency

Pick 15 could get you a Will Day.

So Charlie Curnow is worth a pick in the low 40s ?

Is that how this works ?

Which free agents are available for similar or less money than Mitchell ?

 

[almuz]

Look I don't watch the Hawks every week, but I don't think Titch has hurt factor. Is one injury away from the best of his career being gone. Didn't he miss a whole year a few years ago? Sorry but you don't pay more than pick 15-20 for that. Not in the era of free agency

Pick 15 could get you a Will Day.

That much is evident if you don't think Titch has hurt factor.

"He's not damaging" is such a throwaway line - what does it even mean in practice re Tom? He does everything you want from a ball winning inside mid i.e. gets the footy for his team, gets involved in link up play and shifts it to the outside. Watch the Hawks play and you'll see most good things run through him because he works super hard around the ground, is always an option for team mates under pressure and cleans up any dodgey handballs.

Top 10 pick and a bit more value via a pick swap is about the ballpark now IMO. That isn't unreasonable in the FA era, look at what the Blues gave up for Saad, trades still happen regardless of FA. If a team thinks they are in the window for a flag, there's no point drafting another 18 year old when you can get a bona fide gun mid.

 

[Sky]

That much is evident if you don't think Titch has hurt factor.

"He's not damaging" is such a throwaway line - what does it even mean in practice re Tom? He does everything you want from a ball winning inside mid i.e. gets the footy for his team, gets involved in link up play and shifts it to the outside. Watch the Hawks play and you'll see most good things run through him because he works super hard around the ground, is always an option for team mates under pressure and cleans up any dodgey handballs.

Top 10 pick and a bit more value via a pick swap is about the ballpark now IMO. That isn't unreasonable in the FA era, look at what the Blues gave up for Saad, trades still happen regardless of FA. If a team thinks they are in the window for a flag, there's no point drafting another 18 year old when you can get a bona fide gun mid.

Tom Mitchell isn’t worth a top ten pick & Saad the overrated journeyman isn’t worth anymore than a 3rd rounder. If Carlton has paid more than that then there’s no surprise why they are where they are.

 

[Jake_09]

The only way I see Tom leaving is if the club are prepared to take unders in a trade or he really forces our hand.
Obviously there is a lot of conjecture about his worth.
The clubs who hold picks that Hawthorn would accept (imo) aren’t in a position to be giving those up for a like player like Tom considering his age.
I think it would need to be a club confident of contending in the next few years and who see him as a missing piece.
I know it would be a very Carlton thing to do, but surly they can’t even entertain it in their current position.
Richmond I see as a possibility and have picks in the right range, however I think they’re more likely to keep bringing in kids through the draft.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Look I don't watch the Hawks every week, but I don't think Titch has hurt factor. Is one injury away from the best of his career being gone. Didn't he miss a whole year a few years ago? Sorry but you don't pay more than pick 15-20 for that. Not in the era of free agency

Pick 15 could get you a Will Day.

“Look I don’t watch the Hawks every week”.
Color me shocked.

Also, every player is one injury away from their career being over.

The lengths people go to play down a guy. Sheesh.

 

[TylerDurden]

The only way I see Tom leaving is if the club are prepared to take unders in a trade or he really forces our hand.
Obviously there is a lot of conjecture about his worth.
The clubs who hold picks that Hawthorn would accept (imo) aren’t in a position to be giving those up for a like player like Tom considering his age.
I think it would need to be a club confident of contending in the next few years and who see him as a missing piece.
I know it would be a very Carlton thing to do, but surly they can’t even entertain it in their current position.
Richmond I see as a possibility and have picks in the right range, however I think they’re more likely to keep bringing in kids through the draft.

How would Tom force our hand? He's contracted and happy at the club.

 

[daniel23]

Look I don't watch the Hawks every week, but I don't think Titch has hurt factor. Is one injury away from the best of his career being gone. Didn't he miss a whole year a few years ago? Sorry but you don't pay more than pick 15-20 for that. Not in the era of free agency

Pick 15 could get you a Will Day.

Or it could get you a lochie o'brien

 

[MJTHEGOAT]

So Charlie Curnow is worth a pick in the low 40s ?

Is that how this works ?

Which free agents are available for similar or less money than Mitchell ?

Charlie Curnow is significantly younger and a KPP. He is also not up for trade.

His value to the club far outweighs what someone should sensible pay on the open market (pick 10-15)

If Mitchell is worth more to you - keep him

 

[MJTHEGOAT]

That much is evident if you don't think Titch has hurt factor.

"He's not damaging" is such a throwaway line - what does it even mean in practice re Tom? He does everything you want from a ball winning inside mid i.e. gets the footy for his team, gets involved in link up play and shifts it to the outside. Watch the Hawks play and you'll see most good things run through him because he works super hard around the ground, is always an option for team mates under pressure and cleans up any dodgey handballs.

Top 10 pick and a bit more value via a pick swap is about the ballpark now IMO. That isn't unreasonable in the FA era, look at what the Blues gave up for Saad, trades still happen regardless of FA. If a team thinks they are in the window for a flag, there's no point drafting another 18 year old when you can get a bona fide gun mid.

What we gave up for Saad is criminal. He was worth pick 20-25. We overpaid massively.

If you can find someone who will do that for Mitchell then trade him. I hope we are not that dumb again