Toovey was an embarassment

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Look seriously toovey was BOG in the scoobies last week so he deserved a crack and Egan has only proved me correct as a dud (even after i was lambasted last year for saying so on this board), so he was a valid omission. Toovey didnt disgrace himself and we pumped Richmond so I doubt any change needs to be made. Until Toovey puts in a shocker and as long as we keep winning, he shouldnt have to worry about his spot. JMHO.
 
Thats not what you put in your earlier post:
I guess it does sound like a contridication! I respect any kid that pulls on the Black and White, I respect any decision the clubs makes doesn't mean I agree with all decisions I acknowledge that those at the heirarchy are the ones that call the shots! If I was so good I would be there making the calls until than I'll sit back and encourage those out there to do their best and when they don't I'll spur them on to get their head up and go again!
I won't berate someone if they make a mistake because that is unaustralian and not playin the game in the spirit! The reason we have an opposition is so we can barrel them for 4 quarters and stick up for our mates which are the ones in the black and white!
 

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Look seriously toovey was BOG in the scoobies last week so he deserved a crack
Ben Davies was listed in the best 9 times last year for Williamstown in 18 games, including 2 times BOG. Did not get a single senior game for Collingwood.
 
Yeh, you're funny. Why did you ignore the rest of my post?

What do possessions have to do with intensity?
A few have already mentioned he did not appear to display much intesity after his initial few disposals. But I'd be far more concerned that he seemed a little lost, possibly because he is better suited to the backline and it was his first game, in which case I'd bring Reid in for him if fit without any hesitation?
 
A few have already mentioned he did not appear to display much intesity after his initial few disposals. But I'd be far more concerned that he seemed a little lost, possibly because he is better suited to the backline and it was his first game, in which case I'd bring Reid in for him if fit without any hesitation?
Right....so in short disposal counts have nothing to do with intensity.

Thankyou.
 
What role exactly do you expect Toovey to be playing??
He is a back man and he does what he is suppose to do!
He is one of the only players who will man up for the entire game and not let his player kick any goals...
Excuse me if im wrong, but i thought that was the point!!!???
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What role exactly do you expect Toovey to be playing??
He is a back man and he does what he is suppose to do!
He is one of the only players who will man up for the entire game and not let his player kick any goals...
Excuse me if im wrong, but i thought that was the point!!!???
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That was a backman's role in about 1929, watch Rhyce Shaw for a correct demonstration of the skills of a young backman in the first decade of the 21st century :thumbsu:. Watch Shane Wakelin for his ability to do that 'simple' job with 100% application and zero clangers (see sunday afternoons masterclass). They are the benchmarks and if he (Toovey) is a backman, as so many claim, then he is well short of the required standard.
 
That was a backman's role in about 1929, watch Rhyce Shaw for a correct demonstration of the skills of a young backman in the first decade of the 21st century :thumbsu:. Watch Shane Wakelin for his ability to do that 'simple' job with 100% application and zero clangers (see sunday afternoons masterclass). They are the benchmarks and if he (Toovey) is a backman, as so many claim, then he is well short of the required standard.


Im sorry did Toovey not stop his player from kicking any goals, plus set up 3 for us???????
Where you even at the game???
He made two mistakes.... OH MY GOD! Doesnt everyone.. YES. Dont even argue that point!!!!
If you think you're so smart what would your advice be for him to improve??
 
Given the skill level of most of this team (admitedly against 2nd rate oppo) not good enough was he? Repeated clangers around centre wing. Frustarting because we would all like to think that this team has potential to get into a GF, but as was shown last year, you only do that without having to carry passengers.
I disagree totally. I think Toovey has had a good start to the season. I saw his game against Port Adelaide and he was the only defender that I thought did a good job on the day. He is a very tight defender. I would use him to put a good forward out of the game (assuming the forward isn't too big given that Toovey is a medium-sized defender). By the end of every match, his opponent usally becomes frustrated by being tagged so closely (on Saturday one of his opponents tried to head but him in frustration). His first VFL game was solid (third best for Collingwood) and his second VFL game was fabulous - described in the media as "stellar" and "outstanding." He made two relatively minor errors on Saturday and aside from that did nothing wrong that I could see. These young boys (he's just turned 21, and he's living away from home) need your support, not your constant criticism. The different between a good player and a great one is often confidence. Try to give a little praise when it's deserved.
 
Im sorry did Toovey not stop his player from kicking any goals, plus set up 3 for us???????
Where you even at the game???
He made two mistakes.... OH MY GOD! Doesnt everyone.. YES. Dont even argue that point!!!!
If you think you're so smart what would your advice be for him to improve??
If 'setting up' goals involves bombing the footy into the FWD line and hoping someone roves, yep he did, wanna rely on that to win premierships:confused:. He was lucky it was Richmond, any other team would have taken him to pieces. Haven't heard any lucid arguments yet. Lots of old fashioned defence of poor foot skills and inability to think under pressure, as I said old school stuff.
 
If 'setting up' goals involves bombing the footy into the FWD line and hoping someone roves, yep he did, wanna rely on that to win premierships:confused:. He was lucky it was Richmond, any other team would have taken him to pieces. Haven't heard any lucid arguments yet. Lots of old fashioned defence of poor foot skills and inability to think under pressure, as I said old school stuff.
He wasn't embarrassing, only your thread was.
 
No... he was embarrassing.

Too many unforced clangers, he seemed well and truely out of place.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the thread
Absolute rubbish as many have agreed, 2 errors, provided plenty of run out of defence and shut his man down, he was servicable! I'd hate to think what Anthony with 4 disposals was if Toovey was embarrassing.
 
Absolute rubbish as many have agreed, 2 errors, provided plenty of run out of defence and shut his man down, he was servicable! I'd hate to think what Anthony with 4 disposals was if Toovey was embarrassing.

His errors came from nerves which shouldnt be in his game. He has always had an edge of nerves in his game which makes him do stupid things that others wouldnt (some would call them embarrasing!)

Although you believe there were only 2 errors (the obvious ones) there were tackles missed, a smother (turned his head way to early) that cost us a goal and he hesitated a couple of times that should have resulted in him chasing down an opponent but got no where close to. I admit that he did do some good things but looked seriously out of sync with the teams performance. (He looked like a first gamer... whos performance overall was not good enough).

As for your comments about what I'd think of Anthony's performance... Im not sure where you got the idea that I only look at disposals to judge how a forward played???

Anthony kicked 2 goals and played alright... Toovey had very little 1%ers and his clangers were embarrasing.

P.S:- Dont get to worried about my comments, im just posting my thoughts like everyone else... You dont have to believe them and if you dont agree you dont have to fire up and take it all so personally - youve only be here for less than a week...
 
Absolute rubbish as many have agreed, 2 errors, provided plenty of run out of defence and shut his man down, he was servicable! I'd hate to think what Anthony with 4 disposals was if Toovey was embarrassing.
Some stats, I know stats don't tell the whole story, but have a look.
H Shaw 33 touches 85% effective (ace)
S Wakelin 17 touches 100% effective (veteran trenchfighter in the backline and my personal "cult hero")
H O'Brien 15 touches 100% effective
N Maxwell 15 touches 80 % effective (stats don't tell the whole story)
N Brown 7 touches 86% effective (3rd game & playing on a top fwd)
A Toovey 13 touches 77% effective, equal highest number of clangers on the day, and least number of contested posessions amongst the recognised backmen (if that is what he is).

Please stop with the emotional "he is only 21, you will hurt his feelings" stuff as it was an observation, not a personal attack and also:
a. I'm sure he probably couldn't give a fat one what we think on here; and
b. I'm quite happy to eat humble pie when he starts performing.

BTW, Anthony 4 disposals 100% effective, is not a back line player ATM and does not cost us turnovers or sabotage our rebounding game through the centre with dumb kicks, poor disposal and panic merchanting.
 
Fregerlick, I am not a great Toovey fan but those stats aren’t embarrassing. They aren’t BOG by a long stretch and they may put him in the gun with players to come in like Goldsack but going over the top doesn’t help your argument.

I would have probably delisted him at the end of last year purely because I don’t think he is going to be a mid range best 22 player (ie a 12th to 15th) but he is on the list and playing poor sided is the time to give him a crack. Given we didn't delist him then I assume someone thinks he might make it.
 
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