Top 10 Rucks in the league

[Henry Jr]

These are Hitouts to Advantage

1 Aaron Sandilands Fremantle http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/game_stats?mid=200917014.6
2 Darren Jolly Sydney 13.8
3 Dean Cox West Coast 12.4
4 Mark Blake Geelong 12.1
5 Dean Brogan Port Adelaide 10.6
6 Mark Jamar Melbourne 10.1
7 Simon Taylor Hawthorn 10.1
8 Hamish McIntosh North Melbourne 9.6
9 Michael Gardiner St Kilda 9.0
10 Patrick Ryder Essendon 8.6

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_rankings?yr=2009&sp=SE&rt=LA&fc=D10

Blake and Taylor are two of the biggest spuds running around. However, the stats show their ruckwork to top shelf.

 

[rgauci]

Blake and Taylor are two of the biggest spuds running around. However, the stats show their ruckwork to top shelf.

Personally i think Hitout's to advantage is partly determined by the midfield at the players feet. I hardly think Blake and Taylor would have similar stats at Melbourne or Freo.

 

[Virgil]

Personally i think Hitout's to advantage is partly determined by the midfield at the players feet. I hardly think Blake and Taylor would have similar stats at Melbourne or Freo.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if the Geelong and Hawthorn midfield's have made their ruckmen more productive stats-wise than they otherwise would have been. Not sure how to explain Mark Jamar being so high on the list though .

 

[master bate]

Mark Jamar averaged 22.9 hitouts per game last year, with a good percentage of them to advantage. He only played 7 games, but what makes it more impresive was that he often spent only a standard period of time in the ruck and against Carlton did practically no ruckwork - he booted 5 goals instead.

Next season if he stays injury free he should play 22 games and average around 28 hit outs, with a good percentage to advantage.

He will never be a highly skilled player, but can now use his large frame and take marks around the ground. I'm expecting he feature in the list of top 10 ruckmen at the end of the year, and could even be viewed in similar lines to other tap ruckmen like Sandilands and Jolly.

In 2009 he achieved career highs in Disposals, Kicks, Handballs, Marks, Hitouts, Tackles and Goals. Probably his best game was against the saints at Carara where he had 29 hit outs to Gardiner's 13, he also had 6 tackles.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Naitanui, Clark, Ryder and Kreuzer are all easily ahead of Goldstein as young ruckmen. I can't see Goldstein pulling ahead of any of them.

Cox, Jolly, McIntosh, Hille, Ottens, Sandilands aren't going out of the top 10 next year, injury pending. Gardiner, Brogan and others are still ahead of Goldstein.

You're kidding yourself if you think he'll comfortably be in there. He's an outside chance to scrape in at 9th or 10th.

We shall see, we shall see. Ryder and Clark are ahead of him. Nata and Kreuzer get lots of hype but haven't done anything to draw away.

And his scope for improvement, and quick, is immense,

 

[SM]

Jolly will be much worse next year, believe you me.

 

[fernando T]

Jolly will be much worse next year, believe you me.

really? is he ill due to eating too many of those sour grapes you've got round at your joint?

 

[rainman06]

Realistically, going into 2010, the list goes something like this....

1. Sandilands (Quite clearly the best)
2. Hille (Just needs to come back on remotely the same track he was on)
3. Clark (Close with Ryder, but just 1% ahead of him at the moment)
4. Ryder
5. McIntosh (Very solid, but nothing tooooo special)
6. Cox (On the decline, but his smarts keep him very, very useful)
7. Jamar (Highly underrated)
8. Jolly (Declining, but still solid in 2010.......maybe)
9. Hudson (High on the list on account of his pure intensity. This bloke is an absolute pain in the arse as an opposition supporter. Adds a lot to his team.)
10. Gardiner (Lucky to be 10th ahead of a bunch of duds)

 

[Monkey King]

Can't believe anyone would leave Kreuzer out of their top 10. Playing around 58% game time, he came top 10 in hitouts for the year and among those 10 sits exceptionally well statistically, for inside F50, R50, 1%érs, disposals, contested possessions... you name it.

I know these are only stats, but it's when you actually watch the guy all season that you're blown away by how good he is and the impact he has for his team. The stats just back it up.

 

[KissStephanie]

These are Hitouts to Advantage

I see that Darren Jolly is second best in hitouts to advantage, but I expect that figure to improve next season because I think Collingwood's midfield is more likely to get first use of the ball then Sydney's midfield.

Jolly will be much worse next year, believe you me.

Jolly will be even better next year, believe you me.

 

[numbat06]

Realistically, going into 2010, the list goes something like this....

1. Sandilands (Quite clearly the best)
2. Hille (Just needs to come back on remotely the same track he was on)
3. Clark (Close with Ryder, but just 1% ahead of him at the moment)
4. Ryder
5. McIntosh (Very solid, but nothing tooooo special)
6. Cox (On the decline, but his smarts keep him very, very useful)
7. Jamar (Highly underrated)
8. Jolly (Declining, but still solid in 2010.......maybe)
9. Hudson (High on the list on account of his pure intensity. This bloke is an absolute pain in the arse as an opposition supporter. Adds a lot to his team.)
10. Gardiner (Lucky to be 10th ahead of a bunch of duds)

cox was playing with a broken foot in 08
and a groin injury in 09...
hille+ryder top 4?
take your black+red glasses off
anything but a realistic list
naitanui>ryder ....

1)cox
2)sandi
no1 else in same league worth mentioning

 

[AG]

Jolly will be even better next year, believe you me.

He will be about the same but he wont be better due to Sydney having more stoppages.


Cox is still number 1 imo. He was in good form early in the year and for some reason everyone was getting stuck into him.

Clark and Ryder are hard to judge because they are one season wonders at this stage. Both look good though.

 

[Hencho]

Hille? Nope...his first 4 games at the start of last season before he did his knee were average if not below by his standards. At this stage and given the knee reco I would put Ryder well in front of him.

 

[demon48]

Matthew Lobbe?

Haven't seen him play.

Where's Springbok?

Again, haven't seen enough of him. Will be good for you if he's as good as his brother.

 

[The Donners]

You're having a laugh if you're seriously putting Ryder ahead of Kreuzer...

Ryder is better than Kreuzer all over the ground. I'm fairly certain most of the commentary in the '09 season suggested Ryder had revolutionised ruck work. He tired towards the end of the season because he was rucking 100% of a number of games and in others was getting a minor chop out from Hooker.

 

[The Donners]

cox was playing with a broken foot in 08
and a groin injury in 09...
hille+ryder top 4?
take your black+red glasses off
anything but a realistic list
naitanui>ryder .... 1 game when Ryder is out on his feet doesn't make Naitanui better, in that case Hille is better than Cox because he's beaten him. Ryder can kick, Naitinui can't, that's enough to give Ryder the win.

1)cox
2)sandi
no1 else in same league worth mentioning

Sandilands > Cox

Cox is a very mobile tall but he's an overrated ruck, a little like Hille.

 

[rich10]

My top ten are

1.Clark ( if he contiues his form)
2.Cox
3.sandilans
4.jolly
5.ottens
6.Fraser
7.Charman
8. Garderner
9.Hudson
10.Brogan

 

[iGNITER]

In no particular order just the best 10.

Cox, Sandilands, Clark, Jolly, Ottens, Brogan, Kruezer, Ryder, McIntosh, Gardiner

 

[proka123]

My top ten are

1.Clark ( if he contiues his form)
2.Cox
3.sandilans
4.jolly
5.ottens
6.Fraser
7.Charman
8. Garderner
9.Hudson
10.Brogan

That looks about right to me. Tatnell.

 

[The Donners]

My top ten are

1.Clark ( if he contiues his form)
2.Cox
3.sandilans
4.jolly
5.ottens
6.Fraser
7.Charman
8. Garderner
9.Hudson
10.Brogan

That looks about right to me.

Anti-Essendon?

Hille and Ryder are both better than at least the bottom half of that top 10.

Charman? You're f***ing kidding me, that guy is a hack!

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

I like the look of Kreuzer as ruck/forward but Ryder has a touch of the Stephen Michael about him.

Older posters will know what I mean.

 

[rich10]

Anti-Essendon?

Hille and Ryder are both better than at least the bottom half of that top 10.

Charman? You're f***ing kidding me, that guy is a hack!

Charman was a absoulute legend until he got injured if he plays this year he and clark will dominate.

And as for ryder he is not much of a ruckman and he has not much experience

 

[The Donners]

Charman was a absoulute legend until he got injured if he plays this year he and clark will dominate.

And as for ryder he is not much of a ruckman and he has not much experience

Clark?

Charman was never a legend, he's always been a very average ruckman. Charman has never dominated nor ever will. He and Leuenberger are 2 of the more overrated ruckman of the modern era.

 

[proka123]

Anti-Essendon?

Hille and Ryder are both better than at least the bottom half of that top 10.

Charman? You're f***ing kidding me, that guy is a hack!

Charman is way better then Ryder Ryder is not even a proper ruckman. He was just a backup for Hille. Even Jamar is better then Ryder because he's a proper ruckmen.

 

[rich10]

Clark?

Charman was never a legend, he's always been a very average ruckman. Charman has never dominated nor ever will. He and Leuenberger are 2 of the more overrated ruckman of the modern era.

ryder is alot worse than charman and charman was good cause he won lots of the tap outs and could go forward to kick goals