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top 5 indigenious players you have seen in order
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Bingo! And for your troubles, feast your eyes on this (while I conveniently ignore the second part of your comment...):
I endorse this post, breeding game of Indigenous talent, throw Roger Hayden into the mix there too, Farmer as well
You're all the poorer then (as am I) to not have witnessed any of those great players in action, WAFL or not. The title is "top 5 indigenous players you have seen", so it seems to me all leagues would be acceptable
Some of us here remember a time when you could field a SANFL or WAFL team against a VFL team and have a competitive match, sometimes the SA or WA teams even won.
Unless I'm mistaken most of the indigenous players mentioned that played WAFL level went on to VFL/AFL teams. Some did well, others not so. But they played at that level.
Stephen Michael didn't go but it wasn't for lack of offers and he always played very well in the SOO games back then. So he could perform at that level.
WA bias from some posters, certainly, but the players themselves were of the right level.
I endorse this post, breeding game of Indigenous talent, throw Roger Hayden into the mix there too, Farmer as well
Could be wrong [thought I was once but i was mistaken] but i don't think Jeff actually played for Sowfs till he was banished by Freo.
I think what's most remarkable about McLeod is that he played most of his career with a more severe case of what has ruined Adam Cooney. Compare his career trajectory with that of players who were struck with the same debilitating condition and that's the measure of how remarkable Andrew's career was.
We should not have seen McLeod beyond about 23 years of age, yet he went on not only to play 300 games, but to close in on 350 and finish as his club's games record holder. He was a frighteningly dominant midfielder in the early 2000s, the knee forcing him out of there for much of his career. People largely remember McLeod for being an immense presence off the half back flank, but those few seasons in the middle before necessity removed him from there are the best I've seen from an Indigenous Aussie. Goodes is a strange one, similar to Judd - terrific build, powerful footballer - but has never had the sublime combination of touch and skill that defines the geniuses of our game.
Anyone who has Franklin above Matera or McLeod, I'd agree, is either young or just hasn't seen these guys in any meaningful capacity. Delusion works also.
We should not have seen McLeod beyond about 23 years of age, yet he went on not only to play 300 games, but to close in on 350 and finish as his club's games record holder. He was a frighteningly dominant midfielder in the early 2000s, the knee forcing him out of there for much of his career. People largely remember McLeod for being an immense presence off the half back flank, but those few seasons in the middle before necessity removed him from there are the best I've seen from an Indigenous Aussie. Goodes is a strange one, similar to Judd - terrific build, powerful footballer - but has never had the sublime combination of touch and skill that defines the geniuses of our game.
Anyone who has Franklin above Matera or McLeod, I'd agree, is either young or just hasn't seen these guys in any meaningful capacity. Delusion works also.
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I'm going to do two of these.
Seen in general
1) Goodes
2) Franklin
3) McLeod
4) Farmer
5) Davey
Top 5 outright performances that I've watched
1) Jeff Farmer, Queen's Birthday 2000
Farmer was anonymous in the first half before coming out and kicking an incredible nine goals in the second.
2) Lance Franklin, Essendon v Hawthorn, 2010
The GOTY game. Was sitting in the members. Incredible.
3) Liam Jurrah, Melbourne v Brisbane, 2011
This game was between two poor sides. Until Jurrah took it by the scruff in the second quarter, kicked five and was a threat like I'd never seen.
4) Austin Wonaeamirri, Melbourne v Fremantle, 2008
Wonna demolishes Freo, kicking 4 and tearing through them.
5) Byron Pickett, 2004 Grand Final.
He won that Norm Smith for a reason, and it was bloody toughness.
Seen in general
1) Goodes
2) Franklin
3) McLeod
4) Farmer
5) Davey
Top 5 outright performances that I've watched
1) Jeff Farmer, Queen's Birthday 2000
Farmer was anonymous in the first half before coming out and kicking an incredible nine goals in the second.
2) Lance Franklin, Essendon v Hawthorn, 2010
The GOTY game. Was sitting in the members. Incredible.
3) Liam Jurrah, Melbourne v Brisbane, 2011
This game was between two poor sides. Until Jurrah took it by the scruff in the second quarter, kicked five and was a threat like I'd never seen.
4) Austin Wonaeamirri, Melbourne v Fremantle, 2008
Wonna demolishes Freo, kicking 4 and tearing through them.
5) Byron Pickett, 2004 Grand Final.
He won that Norm Smith for a reason, and it was bloody toughness.
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Close
1. Andrew Mcleod
2. Adam Goodes
3. Gavin Wanganeen
4. Peter Burgoyne
5. Michael O' Loughlin
but its damn hard to split those top 3
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There arent a lot of players of any colour with 2 Norm Smith medals
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on a serious note, how many of these players have one white parent?
id like actual figures...
for starters, what about buddy and goodes folks?
id like actual figures...
for starters, what about buddy and goodes folks?
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Wanganeen first became eligible to be inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2010 and he was inducted straight away.
This list is too ****en hard to do.
I would have two different ones. One where I have seen guys play at least a dozen times live in the flesh and one that I have seen live + those on the box.
I can't leave Stephen Michael and Maurice Rioli off the second list so stuffed if I know how I squeeze the rest into just 3 spots.
I always find it interesting how people are classified as aboriginal when they are only 1/4 or an 1/8th or something. Obviously up to them and good on them for being proud of their heritage, it's just interesting.
Im like a 1/4 welsh and I don't know anything about Wales because quite frankly, I don't care.
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apparently your blood has nothing to do with being aboriginal... its how the aboriginal community and yourself 'identify' you.
but id just like to know the %'s all the same...
maybe there was something to the comments...
but id just like to know the %'s all the same...
maybe there was something to the comments...
I would rate them pretty close and I definitely wouldn't say either of them is clearly ahead of the other. However I can see a more obvious argument for Matera. He was an amazing burst player who just had so much impact. He was fantastic on both sides of his body and scored a lot of goals from outside the 50 on the run. Regarding mcleod's missed brownlow, don't forget Matera holds the record for most points without winning, so he has possibly more "claims" to a brownlow than Mcleod does.
I rate them both higher than Goodes and that is simply because I think Goodes is an amazing player in a pretty good team, hence the standing out factor. I believe Matera and Mcleod were better players, but in much better teams (for the most part), which makes winning brownlows a whole lot more difficult.
Some do...
Mike Sheahan has Matera at 39 in his all-time list. I guess it depends if you consider him "in the know".
1. Maurice Rioli for me.First year in the VFL comes runner-up in the brownlow and wins a norm smith medal in a losing team.(Could not be tackled)
2.McLeod.the most perfect inside/outside mid you'd ever want to see IMO.
(pretty much won the crows two flags in a row)
3.Buddy
4.Adam Goodes
5.Jim & Phil Krakour.
2.McLeod.the most perfect inside/outside mid you'd ever want to see IMO.
(pretty much won the crows two flags in a row)
3.Buddy
4.Adam Goodes
5.Jim & Phil Krakour.
Long is over rated to the max, definitely nowhere near the top 5. Way behind the following recent players, Matera (Italian !!!!), Mcleod, Goodes, Winmar, Wanganeen, O'Loughlin, Franklin etc.
I'm really sorry if you missed seeing Stephen Michael play, he more than proved himself at interstate level many times and making All Australian teams (when they actually meant something). I remember him playing for WA againsts the Vics and making Don Scott look like a pansy ......
To put it in perspective Michael (TI) regularly played against Graham Moss, who was a Brownlow Medallist (check his history at Essendon, he was no hack). TI had many battles with Moss who was in very good VFL like form, TI regularly came out with points wins.
