List Mgmt. Trade and F/A 2020 Cont’d

[TradeDraft]

Eagles picking up Alex Witherden

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Alex Witherden

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

15.2

5star

HB

5.5

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.8

4star

MG

386.5

5star

D

13.0

3star

K

10.0

4star

HB

3.0

2star

M

7.0

5star

T

0.0

1star

MG

201.0

3star

D

24.0

5star

K

15.4

5star

HB

8.6

5star

M

5.8

5star

T

2.2

4star

MG

380.2

5star

from the Lions. Handy player. Wonder how many list spots they have left & whether we have made enquires on the Cameron/Brander’s of the world?

Take this with a Grain of Salt but Randall said we are looking at Brander.

I doubt Cameron would leave WA

 

[Thefly38]

WTF has the current playing list got to do with our poor flag history?
Why would limiting contracts to $500k, increase our flag chances?

Moore commands more then 500 as does Grundy and Adams

but outside of that Pendlebury included now should be on around 500

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

So many people on this board making comments about how bad our salary cap management is and how a lot of average players are way over payed, yet all of us and the media have no idea how much money our players are on or what the clubs salary cap is like. Make your judgements after the Thursday deadline people, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't trade Treloar because the deal is not what the club wants it to be.

 

[TradeDraft]

By the way... has the Gunston speculation risen out of nowhere this morning on Trade Radio? What was the basis?

Guess about a Month a Go that Tom Morris said we are Right Into Gunston and that was based on Gunston and Ned Guy being Close Mates.

Not Much Else as Club and Manager said he is not up for Trade

 

[TradeDraft]

I think Gunstan, despite his age would make a massive difference.
Forward line playing coach and stays on after retirement.
Our forward line has no leaders, hence why they have no idea where to lead,giving miss nowhere to kick other than just bomb it in and hope.
He would be making Cox run to the right spots and not just stand still.

He might make a Bit a Difference but I can't see our Forward Line getting Miles better with just Adding Gunston

 

[Harry O]

Guess about a Month a Go that Tom Morris said we are Right Into Gunston and that was based on Gunston and Ned Guy being Close Mates.

Not Much Else as Club and Manager said he is not up for Trade

The Jay Clark 7 club mega trade article today mentioned the Pies are still chasing Gunston

 

[TradeDraft]

Tom Morris Back Padling already

 

[sr36]

If it was all about looking after Bucks the club wouldn't be trying to get rid of Treloar and Stephanson (supposedly) now would it?
Can't have it both ways.

It can be both. We've fallen a bit short and they've clearly blamed the list and are going to change it, rather than blaming the coaches and changing them.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Tom Morris Back Padling already

Just what we are NOT in a position to do - offer 'almighty deals', especially to 29 year olds.

 

[HFF]

Stay away from Gunston.
We do not need him at his age and for the premium required.

 

[HFF]

If Stephenson Is on any more then 400k that’s ******* ridiculous

Caldwell has played something like 8 games averaging 11 touches---and is about to sign a 5yr deal @! around $450-500k per year.
Stephenson looks like a bargain compared to that.

 

[jatsad]

Reckon it's going to be something like..

Dunkley to Dons
Treloar to Dogs + our 3rd Rounder
Pick 7 to Pies

So why do we have to add our 3rd rounder especially if we are going to pay some of his salary?

 

[sr36]

Don't go Gunton. Hit the draft so the next coach begins with a youthful list he can develop into a winning game plan.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Just what we are NOT in a position to do - offer 'almighty deals', especially to 29 year olds.

How do you know? I KNOW you don't know what our cap is like

 

[jackcass]

They are saying 900-950k.

Crows offered Million pa @ 7.

So he took slight unders to stay...slight.

Crows offer was reportedly the same/similar coin over 5 years.

 

[jonmacTrag]

It can be both. We've fallen a bit short and they've clearly blamed the list and are going to change it, rather than blaming the coaches and changing them.

errrm that's a big jump to make considering the coaches got them to within a bee's d1ck of the flag with no first string backline whatsoever.
I don't like the fallback game strategy either but rather than blaming the strategy perhaps look at why it's framed that way?
Look at the kicking skills (puke) of the list in general, this is not a good list for playing a precision attacking game.
The chaos ball tactic will work for us but wear and tear on players is simply horrendous - the Armageddon that occurred after the West Coast final proves it.
Whoever has been making overall decisions on recruiting strategies is at fault it appears to me.
Too many "athletes" and "hard workers" on the list.
Recruitment still seems to be wedded to the strategy that won the flag in '10 - that simply won't work anymore because the rest of the league have well and truly worked it out and countered it.
Forget the 'Hold the ball in the forward line" and score by weight of opportunities strategy - it's almost as exhausting as the chaos ball strategy.
We need to hold our core players and prune the ball butchers, prima donnas and off field drama queens out of the side.
Trade in a crumbing forward and start drafting skilled young men to promote dangerous ball movement.
How quickly this can be achieved is dependent on how ruthless the club decides to be.

 

[sr36]

errrm that's a big jump to make considering the coaches got them to within a bee's d1ck of the flag with no first string backline whatsoever.
I don't like the fallback game strategy either but rather than blaming the strategy perhaps look at why it's framed that way?
Look at the kicking skills (puke) of the list in general, this is not a good list for playing a precision attacking game.
The chaos ball tactic will work for us but wear and tear on players is simply horrendous - the Armageddon that occurred after the West Coast final proves it.
Whoever has been making overall decisions on recruiting strategies is at fault it appears to me.
Too many "athletes" and "hard workers" on the list.
Recruitment still seems to be wedded to the strategy that won the flag in '10 - that simply won't work anymore because the rest of the league have well and truly worked it out and countered it.
Forget the 'Hold the ball in the forward line" and score by weight of opportunities strategy - it's almost as exhausting as the chaos ball strategy.
We need to hold our core players and prune the ball butchers, prima donnas and off field drama queens out of the side.
Trade in a crumbing forward and start drafting skilled young men to promote dangerous ball movement.
How quickly this can be achieved is dependent on how ruthless the club decides to be.

The list and the coaches got us within a bees dick of a flag. We've gone backwards since. The regression is being blamed on the list and we're looking to shake it up, but it could also be blamed on the coaches and we could look to shake them up.

You finished by talking about us needing to develop dangerous ball movement. To me that falls on a coaching group who moved away from the dangerous running patterns and ball movement that our list showed they could produce in 2018 and opted for safe and slow.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Just what we are NOT in a position to do - offer 'almighty deals', especially to 29 year olds.

Yeah Gunston makes zero sense for us. So that probably guarantees that our list committee will be throwing the kitchen sink at getting him.

 

[jatsad]

errrm that's a big jump to make considering the coaches got them to within a bee's d1ck of the flag with no first string backline whatsoever.
I don't like the fallback game strategy either but rather than blaming the strategy perhaps look at why it's framed that way?
Look at the kicking skills (puke) of the list in general, this is not a good list for playing a precision attacking game.
The chaos ball tactic will work for us but wear and tear on players is simply horrendous - the Armageddon that occurred after the West Coast final proves it.
Whoever has been making overall decisions on recruiting strategies is at fault it appears to me.
Too many "athletes" and "hard workers" on the list.
Recruitment still seems to be wedded to the strategy that won the flag in '10 - that simply won't work anymore because the rest of the league have well and truly worked it out and countered it.
Forget the 'Hold the ball in the forward line" and score by weight of opportunities strategy - it's almost as exhausting as the chaos ball strategy.
We need to hold our core players and prune the ball butchers, prima donnas and off field drama queens out of the side.
Trade in a crumbing forward and start drafting skilled young men to promote dangerous ball movement.
How quickly this can be achieved is dependent on how ruthless the club decides to be.

You answered your own question, getting close to a flag with a second string backline.
This was all due to Longmuir. No coincidence that in the 2 years he was here, we play off in a GF and should have won the 2019 prelim.
He leaves and we go back to the same stodgy game plan.
Sanderson is in charge of a sub performing forward line, Harvey in charge of a midfield that is constantly beaten when he have a ruck beast.

Where is the development in young players? Daicos was a revelation, but no games put into Murphy, Bianco, Rantall.

These coaches are all Buckley's boys club.

2 flags in 60 years both coached by "outsiders".

Says it all.

 

[ThePhantom777]

Peter Wright for a 3rd or 4th round draft pick is surely a good deal?

 

[Matt_352]

Don't go Gunton. Hit the draft so the next coach begins with a youthful list he can develop into a winning game plan.

This

 

[TradeDraft]

Peter Wright for a 3rd or 4th round draft pick is surely a good deal?

but we don't like Tall Forwards

 

[Scribe26]

How do you know? I KNOW you don't know what our cap is like

I don't know if you've realised, but the laborers, call centre people, real estate agents, PTs and unemployed community of BigFooty intimately know the state of our cap.

 

[jatsad]

but we don't like Tall Forwards

So Buckley keeps stating. He doesn't want big guys but more the agile, mobile forwards.

Yet Cox still gets a game??????

 

[unplugged]

What if had originally went to Hawthorn and asked for Gunston, what's it going to take, and they said Treloar?