$118k per player with 10+ years on the list.
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$118k per player with 10+ years on the list.
But that's a different argument. What it is and what it ought to be are two different arguments.
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I'm confused by your point.......
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how many drugs did u take last night??
As many as I can get! Ooops?
I'm not arguing the merits of judging players and their associated value, simply that the way the system is set up, I have no problem with Melbourne getting pick 3. Do I think he would get pick 3 in this draft? Possibly. If you went into the draft knowing that a certain player was going to be an AA full back at 21, he'd definitely go top 5.
People tend to rate individual players by there associated teams ladder position. Strange
Without a doubt. Libba, Hrovat and Macrae, although rated highly, are, IMO underrated by many. When we mature as a team, people will realise how good this group is.
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People are complaining about the Dees getting pick 3. Yes it does suck, especially considering we are after Wright or McCartin but the system is fair and correct. Dees are a club at the bottom who are losing a player who is 25 and is being offered a contract of 600k a year for 5 years. Hawks lost Buddy after they won the flag and were on top hence why they only got pick 19. It looks after lower clubs which is a good thing! Other fans would laugh at us getting pick 26 for Higgins. Doesn't entirely depend on how good the player is.
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Well that's what I am saying.....the system is crap.....they should scrap free agency if they can't fix it.....hang on...even if they can....it opens the door to dodgy deals, draft is the draft, if you play AFL with all the perks associated including ridiculous money, fame, contacts and lifestyle and you don't like the fact you can't swap to a club of choice and that's a big issue....don't play the game at this level.
AFL needs to stand up to these guys....the game is compromised enough without the players dictating everything.
But Melbourne have previously received overs to the disadvantage of the Bulldogs with the Scully/Ward deals. That's why many supporters are peeved that they may get pick 3 and we will be disadvantaged again. It is worth comparing the stats between Frawley and Higgins though ..... you will be surprised there is very little difference between the two.
As an aside, pardon the hypothetical. But just while we're waiting for something to happen in trade period, I'm wondering if this would be a good strategy for a club like St Kilda....
Trading Pick 1 for Pick 3 or 4 and a pick in the late teens.
Trading Pick 3 or 4 for pick 6 or 7 and a pick in the late teens.
Trading Pick 6 or 7 for pick 10 or 11 and a pick in the early 20s.
Then using all 4 picks, knowing that next year you'll probably have another pick in the top 3 and you'll use that.
I know you miss out on one franchise player. But gaining 4 potential A-graders has got to be a sounder long-term strategy, surely? Has anyone ever tried this kind of thing in any sport in the world? And if they did, did it work?
P.S. I know it would be hard for the teams you are trading with to engineer those late teen picks. But leaving aside the complexity, is it even a good idea to try for it?
Trading Pick 1 for Pick 3 or 4 and a pick in the late teens.
Trading Pick 3 or 4 for pick 6 or 7 and a pick in the late teens.
Trading Pick 6 or 7 for pick 10 or 11 and a pick in the early 20s.
Then using all 4 picks, knowing that next year you'll probably have another pick in the top 3 and you'll use that.
I know you miss out on one franchise player. But gaining 4 potential A-graders has got to be a sounder long-term strategy, surely? Has anyone ever tried this kind of thing in any sport in the world? And if they did, did it work?
P.S. I know it would be hard for the teams you are trading with to engineer those late teen picks. But leaving aside the complexity, is it even a good idea to try for it?
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I keep seeing these types of comparisons. I'm not saying I agree with the compensation process, but EQUALISATION was supposedly at the forefront of it's set up. A LOW club has a gun raided from its list gets a HIGH 1st rounder, a HIGH club gets a gun raided they get a LOWER pick. What's the confusion. There are no comparisons or "fairness", it's based on ladder position !
TempleKelvington
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Never about equalisation. It was the players that wanted it.
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Players can have free agency
But the club electing to acquire the free agent pays with their own picks not with everybody else's picks to compensate the team losing the free agent. This is just moronic.
But the club electing to acquire the free agent pays with their own picks not with everybody else's picks to compensate the team losing the free agent. This is just moronic.
The players wanted FA, the AFL set up the rules. The equalisation concept was part of this process. AFL were never going to deny the inevitability of a FA system, it serves to prevent litigation regarding restraint of trade.
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Hawthorn pick up a 25year old for nothing - melbourne receive compensation from the entire league? Who thought up this great plan? No body likes it. Every coach criticises it but apparently the p,ayers want it. Well of course the players want it - the players don't determine the rules which administer it - it has nothing to do with them. Rather, cretins at AFL head quarters put together the rules.
An idea imported from america. No doubt they got it from the same American clown who has been designing their foreign policy in the Middle East for the last 50 years.
I am happy with Frawley going to hawthorn and hawthorns 1 st round pick going to Melbourne - what is wrong with that?
An idea imported from america. No doubt they got it from the same American clown who has been designing their foreign policy in the Middle East for the last 50 years.
I am happy with Frawley going to hawthorn and hawthorns 1 st round pick going to Melbourne - what is wrong with that?
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Anyone else get.an AFL update saying that Dangerfield is going to Collingwood? I am assuming that this is a outrageous rumour, but if there is some truth to it Collingwood would have to give both #8 and #4 from Brisbane to land him which would mean Moore would walk to the highest bidder I guess that would be us.
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Yes but the way it was set up by the AFL took into account equalisation measures due to the understanding that without such measures lower teams would be disadvantaged.
Basically Melbourne getting pick 3 is compensation for losing a good player + compensation for losing them under a system that inherently disadvantages them. You seem to only focus on the idea that pick 3 for Frawley is overs, but ignore the point that Melbourne are getting compensated for the unfairness of the system. As well as the fact that Frawley is worth more to them, as a lower club with fewer talented players. Just saying "Frawley isn't worth pick 3!!!!" is only understanding part of the equation.
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Would be better if the team that lost the free agent received a compo pick right before the club that nabbed the free agent in the round deemed appropriate. In this case, Melbourne would receive pick 18 for Frawley. We would still have received pick 26 for Jones and Carlton would receive the pick before North Melbourne in the 2nd round for Waite.
Clubs wouldn't chuck the shits with spending draft picks on free agents and the compo picks wouldn't punish the whole league by messing with an entire round of picks.
Clubs wouldn't chuck the shits with spending draft picks on free agents and the compo picks wouldn't punish the whole league by messing with an entire round of picks.
I think you meant the other soft campaigner Higgins, can see how you got confused though
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only 13hours till trade table is open
when will we find out the exact pick we will use on Cordy? is it at 10am tomorrow?
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