Mega Thread Trade and List Management discussion

[BRWB]

I reckon we need him more than carlisle

Mids are a dime a dozen, quality KPs, rare as hen's teeth

 

[Yojimbo]

It's not unreasonable, but I would always take the 1 top quality option over 2 lesser.
Top class players are hard to come by where as the next tier down are easier to find.

I call it the Tom Boyd principle.

The top minds have been working on the Tom Boyd principle and have
decided not to release their findings until 2020.

 

[go you pups]

I don't see any way that Treloar leaves GWS. They'd have to have a disaster season.

Judas, Ward, Whitfield, Coniglio, Kelly, Pickett, Ahern, Scully, Palmer, Smith, Greene etc

1 of Shiel, WHE or Treloar will go, their midfield is stacked and multiple players have been offloaded onto the flanks as a result of fitting them all in, more money and the opportunity to be a stand out star elsewhere would appeal to one of them you'd think. If I was one of them and wanted to move to a team that I could grow with, I'd be going to St Kilda or us.

 

[Hrovat24]

Mids are a dime a dozen, quality KPs, rare as hen's teeth

Carlisle is a chb , we may have that covered with Talia , our backline consists of Murphy Morris roughead Talia hamling wood webb z Cordy jj boyd , our midfield Bonts macrae jong Wallis liber hrovat , lacks a skilful burst player like treloar

 

[fronkalicious]

Judas, Ward, Whitfield, Coniglio, Kelly, Pickett, Ahern, Scully, Palmer, Smith, Greene etc

1 of Shiel, WHE or Treloar will go, their midfield is stacked and multiple players have been offloaded onto the flanks as a result of fitting them all in, more money and the opportunity to be a stand out star elsewhere would appeal to one of them you'd think. If I was one of them and wanted to move to a team that I could grow with, I'd be going to St Kilda or us.

Gws need players in return, not more picks. I can smell a mega Carlton/Giants trade in the wind.

 

[BRWB]

Carlisle is a chb , we may have that covered with Talia , our backline consists of Murphy Morris roughead Talia hamling wood webb z Cordy jj boyd , our midfield Bonts macrae jong Wallis liber hrovat , lacks a skilful burst player like treloar

Murphy, Boyd and Morris are nearly gone. Cordy, Webb, Talia and Hamling largley unproven. Jake can play swingman, as can Rough, a beautiful thing.

 

[go you pups]

Gws need players in return, not more picks. I can smell a mega Carlton/Giants trade in the wind.

Doubt it, I think Carlton are past their "topping up" phase. Unless they trade Gibbs or Yarran for a player and pick type deal.

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

Gws need players in return, not more picks. I can smell a mega Carlton/Giants trade in the wind.

Surely one of Murphy or Gibbs isn't there next year.

 

[Dogsman16]

Surely one of Murphy or Gibbs isn't there next year.

Even if Carlton aren't looking to offload Gibbs, Murphy, Henderson etc, you would think if one of them wanted out or was offered to another team by Carlton then the whole stack of dominoes may fall. For example Henderson gets snaffled by Geelong, Murphy, Gibbs, Yarran etc aren't going to want to stick around for 5 years during a major rebuild.

Carlton will try and offload maybe one of Gibbs, Murphy, Henderson, Yarran, Walker, Jamison etc but if they try to trade a couple more I can see virtually all of them going.

Could be our offseason 2.0 here, lets see if player power takes hold and try and influence the club to get a couple more free agents to keep them competitive which will no doubt damage them in the long run.

 

[GreatSouthWest]

Gws need players in return, not more picks. I can smell a mega Carlton/Giants trade in the wind.

We can smell what they're cooking

To be honest, why would any top-liner or potential elite GWS player want to go to Carlton, aside from the go-home factor?

Carlton have finally accepted what people have know for some time regarding the state of their list. Unlike our list, Carlton's is full of young players of a similar age group to the GWS players mentioned who're levels below. Only Cripps and Menzel spring to mind as being at a level to match at present or in the future. The rest of the re-build base of kids are garbage.

Why would the GWS players agree to be traded to Carlton when they're realistically 3-4 years from challenging for a final 8 spot? Every other Victorian club would have an advantage in appeal and that's probably the straw that breaks any 'major' deal.

 

[Dogsman16]

We can smell what they're cooking

To be honest, why would any top-liner or potential elite GWS player want to go to Carlton, aside from the go-home factor?

Carlton have finally accepted what people have know for some time regarding the state of their list. Unlike our list, Carlton's is full of young players of a similar age group to the GWS players mentioned who're levels below. Only Cripps and Menzel spring to mind as being at a level to match at present or in the future. The rest of the re-build base of kids are garbage.

Why would the GWS players agree to be traded to Carlton when they're realistically 3-4 years from challenging for a final 8 spot? Every other Victorian club would have an advantage in appeal and that's probably the straw that breaks any 'major' deal.

100% agree. GWS have spent four seasons building a club, getting absolutely smashed a lot of the time, Shiel/WHE/Treloar aren't going to want to spend 5 of their best years, starring down the barrel of a rebuild, just for a big pay packet, they will want success. I think we would be a really appealing place for a GWS gun/young player from another club because we are on the other side of the rebuild, think our major roadblock may be Collingwood. Think they might snare one. Carlton won't play finals for at least 6 seasons if they go down this rebuild (and won't get in the top 6 teams if they decide the trade/FA refresh route.

Tough times ahead for the blues.

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

Even if Carlton aren't looking to offload Gibbs, Murphy, Henderson etc, you would think if one of them wanted out or was offered to another team by Carlton then the whole stack of dominoes may fall. For example Henderson gets snaffled by Geelong, Murphy, Gibbs, Yarran etc aren't going to want to stick around for 5 years during a major rebuild.

Carlton will try and offload maybe one of Gibbs, Murphy, Henderson, Yarran, Walker, Jamison etc but if they try to trade a couple more I can see virtually all of them going.

Could be our offseason 2.0 here, lets see if player power takes hold and try and influence the club to get a couple more free agents to keep them competitive which will no doubt damage them in the long run.

That's true. I don't think they're as fractured as we were though.

The place will be gutted from top to bottom this October - if they snag some talent and an extra early pick or two, the rebuild might not be such an ugly proposition for the likes of Gibbs and Henderson, so long as the recruiters get the picks right.

If anyone is to go, it'll be Murphy. They'll get a good return for him and I can see him wanting out - Carlton's mismanagement has killed the best years of his career, he isn't getting any younger, and clubs will be lining up for him.

On Treloar/Shiel/WHE, you're absolutely right. These boys are winners, they didn't take ice baths in wheelie bins at the Rooty Hill RSL in the early years so they could spend half their career contributing to Carlton's next failed semi-final tilt. The Blues are going to have to prove their ability to bring in and develop top line talent on their own, or they're not going to attract anyone of note.

 

[Dogsman16]

That's true. I don't think they're as fractured as we were though.

The place will be gutted from top to bottom this October - if they snag some talent and an extra early pick or two, the rebuild might not be such an ugly proposition for the likes of Gibbs and Henderson, so long as the recruiters get the picks right.

If anyone is to go, it'll be Murphy. They'll get a good return for him and I can see him wanting out - Carlton's mismanagement has killed the best years of his career, he isn't getting any younger, and clubs will be lining up for him.

On Treloar/Shiel/WHE, you're absolutely right. These boys are winners, they didn't take ice baths in wheelie bins at the Rooty Hill RSL in the early years so they could spend half their career contributing to Carlton's next failed semi-final tilt. The Blues are going to have to prove their ability to bring in and develop top line talent on their own, or they're not going to attract anyone of note.

Only takes half a season as we just found out. Winning keeps football teams happy, losing divides players and Carlton starting this weekend just have to beat the saints, just have to.

If I had to keep one at the blues its Gibbs, think after the season he had last year (which was excellent) plus his contract size they just can't get rid of him. Everyone else is on the table.

It's funny/interesting how all the media have been talking about the danger GWS face in keeping all there kids yet their is barely a whisper about the GC kids (even though at this point of time, many would argue GWS are further ahead than GC, which I don't neccasarily agree with).

GC were smart/got lucky that the majority of their top kids are not from Victoria. Swallow, O'Meara, Bennell, Martin, Day, Gorringe, Tape, just to name a couple all are from states which only have two suitors that can lure them back home. GWS not so lucky.

 

[TBOW]

We can smell what they're cooking

To be honest, why would any top-liner or potential elite GWS player want to go to Carlton, aside from the go-home factor?

Carlton have finally accepted what people have know for some time regarding the state of their list. Unlike our list, Carlton's is full of young players of a similar age group to the GWS players mentioned who're levels below. Only Cripps and Menzel spring to mind as being at a level to match at present or in the future. The rest of the re-build base of kids are garbage.

Why would the GWS players agree to be traded to Carlton when they're realistically 3-4 years from challenging for a final 8 spot? Every other Victorian club would have an advantage in appeal and that's probably the straw that breaks any 'major' deal.

On the other side of that coin what Carlton players would want to relocate to GWS?
If the club wants to move a guy on for draft picks it will be to a club of the players choosing not theirs.

Carlton have 3 guys from NSW. Rowe, Tutt & Whiley who they just got from GWS. Touhy is Irish so maybe he'd move, otherwise it is going to take exorbitant contracts which GWS really can't afford.

Still could happen but the players have to be convinced first.

 

[Dogs54]

Gws need players in return, not more picks. I can smell a mega Carlton/Giants trade in the wind.

I smell a Richmond trade in the winds (Shiel)

 

[nathy]

Does anyone have inside information about Carlisle or are yous all just masturbating?

 

[Dogsman16]

Does anyone have inside information about Carlisle or are yous all just masturbating?

Theres a bit of both going on around here

 

[Easty]

I smell a Richmond trade in the winds (Shiel)

Agreed, wouldn't rule out Rance heading to GWS either. Full Back is one of their deficiencies and he might appreciate the lower spotlight Sydney provides.

 

[Cudi]

Does anyone have inside information about Carlisle or are yous all just masturbating?

Yes Fronk clearly stated he has inside info. Likewise with Pann.

 

[go you pups]

Carlton will try and offload maybe one of Gibbs, Murphy, Henderson, Yarran, Walker, Jamison etc but if they try to trade a couple more I can see virtually all of them going.

Could be our offseason 2.0 here, lets see if player power takes hold and try and influence the club to get a couple more free agents to keep them competitive which will no doubt damage them in the long run.

Agreed

In 2012 it was Ports woes, 2013 Brisbane and last year twas us. Wait and see where they finish on the ladder first but yeah it could be a domino effect. Neeld ripped the crap out of Melbourne in 2011/12 also.

 

[go you pups]

Agreed, wouldn't rule out Rance heading to GWS either. Full Back is one of their deficiencies and he might appreciate the lower spotlight Sydney provides.

Could help his modelling career also

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Surely I can't be the only one on this board who isn't sold on Josh Walker. Don't rate him at all.

 

[Hrovat24]

Does anyone have inside information about Carlisle or are yous all just masturbating?

Prob not as much as you champ

 

[BRWB]

Surely I can't be the only one on this board who isn't sold on Josh Walker. Don't rate him at all.

Walker ain't the messiah but he's not the anti christ either....or Cordy

 

[go you pups]

It's funny/interesting how all the media have been talking about the danger GWS face in keeping all there kids yet their is barely a whisper about the GC kids (even though at this point of time, many would argue GWS are further ahead than GC, which I don't neccasarily agree with).

GC were smart/got lucky that the majority of their top kids are not from Victoria. Swallow, O'Meara, Bennell, Martin, Day, Gorringe, Tape, just to name a couple all are from states which only have two suitors that can lure them back home. GWS not so lucky.

GWS are miles ahead of GC, GC does not have the quantity or quality of senior players that GWS has, they have Ablett and Rischitelli then no one else except a stack of 21-23 year olds that came from the 2010 draft then they put all their eggs in the mini draft basket in 2012/13 and got O'Meara and Martin. Harbrow was better at the Dogs and Broughton and Stanley are meh. Malceski was a luxury signing in an area of the ground they were competent in already.

GWS poached the right free agents even if Palmer and Scully aren't worth the money they are on, Palmer is developing into a solid goal kicking defensive forward and Ward and Davis have been great signings for them. They have more assets than GC and when one of them leaves (has to happen over time to cut down to normal AFL list size) they replace them and have spread out the list age accordingly through draft and trade.