Mega Thread Trade and List Management discussion

[Doggies_13]

So one of the best defenders in the last 10 years, a current AA - instantly improves our side by a couple of goals per game, which, as others have pointed out, massively improves on W/L record last year if he had played - and we want him to come for nothing...

It's a risk, as he's older than ideal - but if he's still in AA form - it's peanuts. We may have 3 or so picks in the 20's. One to Geelong to bring massive potential upside to us isn't a huge price.

I mean, people think we are getting their (Geelongs) first rounder for Minson FFS... A better performed, better consistent player (Lonergan) and we massively undervalue him....

Never said a seconder rounder was too much, i'm split on how i would feel about it to be honest, my main concern is losing Talia or Roberts due to lack of opportunities, I think a second rounder is what his market value is and if we get him for that or a Lake style deal i'll back the clubs decision just as long as we keep the two promising KPDs we have who are developing very well in my opinion and who need a bit more senior experience next season.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Great post
Only concern i have is if Talia or Roberts decide to look else where for opportunities then we are at a point where we need to draft more KPDs and start again

Yes, this is a problem. But I would argue that this is something we can't comment on from the outside. The coaches need to be across how the players are feeling - if Roberts, for example, is growing frustrated at a lack of opportunity, then we need to reflect on whether we need to give him more. If he understands he needs to develop and spend another year or so down back, then this would be a great move. It's something that I hope would be taken into consideration when targeting players like Lonergan - not an afterthought. It's different to the Jones situation who was given ample opportunity but didn't do enough with it.

Well we don't know what the asking price is though Dan.

Fair - but it makes little sense that the Cats would offload their best one-on-one key defender - who likely still has 2-3 years of good footy in him and who is under contract for another year - for nothing. Even if he does want to come we have little leverage. I'm very happy we're having a look and making sure he (and the Cats) know we're into him, and we should explore whether it's a possibility (which I'm sure is all we're doing anyway - as we did with Merrett). Just think the asking price will be too high to justify.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Staggered by the dislike for Lonergan here...

We've been crying out for experienced defenders all season, we show interest in 2 so far (May, please take note here) and Lonergan. One is a current AA and would cost the equivalent of peanuts, allows massive flexibility with how and where we play our young KPP's.

And people are complaining about his age, salary, shoe size, hair colour, what jumper number he would like....

FFS - are you lot never happy....

What do you want - 24 year old, KPF and KPD - out of contract so we don't have to pay much, elects to come to the Dogs and only the Dogs, family ties to the club, supported us when young, capable of both 10 goals per game while keeping Buddy statless....

FFS....

Ahem... The guy has lost a kidney. It's a solid no from me.

 

[Dogsman16]

Never said a seconder rounder was too much, i'm split on how i would feel about it to be honest, my main concern is losing Talia or Roberts due to lack of opportunities, I think a second rounder is what his market value is and if we get him for that or a Lake style deal i'll back the clubs decision just as long as we keep the two promising KPDs we have who are developing very well in my opinion and who need a bit more senior experience next season.

If anything Roberts and Talia can get first crack, might move Roberts forward too if need be. Roughy is certainly going forward/ruck.

 

[Mutt]

Actually think we will finish bottom 2 but I didn't want to be negative

 

[Doggies_13]

If anything Roberts and Talia can get first crack, might move Roberts forward too if need be. Roughy is certainly going forward/ruck.

Personally prefer Roughie back, have not seen him play well forward

 

[Senor Ed]

Here's my 2 bobs worth:

I'd do the deal including Cooney for a pick that is better than 28. All day. Everyday. He is shot and lazy. Not half the player he was in 2008. He's fringe best 22 in 2015 for the dogs as we'd give more opportunities to players who want to play within the team ethos. Cooney would be perfect for a team competing in finals as he is a great finisher of other people's work. Get him to do the heavy lifting (i.e run both ways) and he's rubbish.

IMO Lonergan is perfect. Shores up our back line, stops monster forwards, helps develop our KPD by providing on field leadership, and allows Morris to play on smaller players. He also gives us flexibility to play Roughead / Roberts forward, with Lonergan playing on best forward, Roughead / Roberts on second best, Talia third and Morris on a medium. I'm keen for that to happen. Too many big forwards got a hold of us this year. If we had a Lonergan, we probably would have won 3-4 more games. Our forward line now has three talls; Rough / Roberts, Crameri and Stringer, with Bonti floating through.

Yes, we got rid of Lake who was roughly the same age, but he wanted out and success, not $$. I can't see Geelong winning a flag during Lonergan's final years as they are in a transitional phase, albeit still a very good football team.

 

[Hrovat24]

Our midfield is set for the future , the rest right now is looking very poor

 

[Mutt]

Fair - but it makes little sense that the Cats would offload their best one-on-one key defender - who likely still has 2-3 years of good footy in him and who is under contract for another year - for nothing. Even if he does want to come we have little leverage. I'm very happy we're having a look and making sure he (and the Cats) know we're into him, and we should explore whether it's a possibility (which I'm sure is all we're doing anyway - as we did with Merrett). Just think the asking price will be too high to justify.

Lonergan has sacrificed playing for a lot less than his market value for years to assist keeping the great Cats team together. They then try to replace him when it is obvious that they need a major, major refresh or even a rebuild to contend again. The Cats moved heaven and earth to bring in a replacement for Lonergan in James Frawley.

Don't be surprised if Lonergan is a very, very pissed off player who will put a lot of pressure on Geelong to trade him.

 

[Dry Rot]

If anyone wants to hear that "SCATHING! & Brutal Analysis" by Barrett & Wallace here is the link

No great problems with what Wallace said, except that overvalues Cooney.

Barratt is a flog.

 

[TedDougChris]

Never said a seconder rounder was too much, i'm split on how i would feel about it to be honest, my main concern is losing Talia or Roberts due to lack of opportunities, I think a second rounder is what his market value is and if we get him for that or a Lake style deal i'll back the clubs decision just as long as we keep the two promising KPDs we have who are developing very well in my opinion and who need a bit more senior experience next season.

Fair enough. I'm not convinced about the lack of opportunities. Maybe Roberts can play forward. Big and strong and a decent kick.

FB: Morris Lonergan Picken
HB: Murphy Talia/Roberts Wood
C: Griff Wallis JJ
HF: Crameri Bontempelli Dahl
FF: Stringer Roberts/Roughie Hunter

R: Minson Libba Macrae

I: Hrovat, Darley, Honey etc.....

Looks far more balanced than last year. Even though it is a 20 second job and I'm certain to have forgotten someone important.....

 

[TedDougChris]

Ahem... The guy has lost a kidney. It's a solid no from me.

Well go and bloody help him find it.... Don't just sit there.....

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Lonergan has sacrificed playing for a lot less than his market value for years to assist keeping the great Cats team together. They then try to replace him when it is obvious that they need a major, major refresh or even a rebuild to contend again. The Cats moved heaven and earth to bring in a replacement for Lonergan in James Frawley.

Don't be surprised if Lonergan is a very, very pissed off player who will put a lot of pressure on Geelong to trade him.

Interesting, I hadn't thought of it like that. Certainly hope you're right - I can definitely see the merit in chasing him and I'd be stoked if he came for a price that isn't too extreme.

 

[G-Mo77]

First of all I think its a two year deal with a trigger for a 3rd. This guy is absolutely worth a look in whilst our defence develop around him. Plus we don't have to throw a lever/z.cordy to the wolves in the first season or two until they are ready. Worth a shot!

I don't disagree. I would welcome a vet to help out. I disagree on the length of contract that has been supposed to have been offered. 2 with a 3rd year is still to much. Merrett is a year younger, will cost us less and would be a better choice. He didn't come from Geelong though.

 

[Mattdougie]

Bontempelli at CHF in his 2nd year of footy??

Lol

Again WOW

 

[fronkalicious]

Fair enough. I'm not convinced about the lack of opportunities. Maybe Roberts can play forward. Big and strong and a decent kick.

FB: Morris Lonergan Picken
HB: Murphy Talia/Roberts Wood
C: Griff Wallis JJ
HF: Crameri Bontempelli Dahl
FF: Stringer Roberts/Roughie Hunter

R: Minson Libba Macrae

I: Hrovat, Darley, Honey etc.....

Looks far more balanced than last year. Even though it is a 20 second job and I'm certain to have forgotten someone important.....

Where's Carlisle???

 

[Doggies_13]

Fair enough. I'm not convinced about the lack of opportunities. Maybe Roberts can play forward. Big and strong and a decent kick.

FB: Morris Lonergan Picken
HB: Murphy Talia/Roberts Wood
C: Griff Wallis JJ
HF: Crameri Bontempelli Dahl
FF: Stringer Roberts/Roughie Hunter

R: Minson Libba Macrae

I: Hrovat, Darley, Honey etc.....

Looks far more balanced than last year. Even though it is a 20 second job and I'm certain to have forgotten someone important.....

I wouldn't mind Roberts up forward, I prefer Roughie back to be honest think his best footy has been there, but may need to move him so we have a Ruck forward as our structure was really off last season with our only KPF each week has to be second ruck.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I don't disagree. I would welcome a vet to help out. I disagree on the length of contract that has been supposed to have been offered. 2 with a 3rd year is still to much. Merrett is a year younger, will cost us less and would be a better choice. He didn't come from Geelong though.

There's a reason he'd be cheaper - the bloke was basically booted out of a defense filled with 18-20 year olds this year. He had a very average year. Lonergan was in the AA squad.

 

[Gghippo]

I don't understand we enquire about Sauce Merrett and Lonergan.... Reportedly offering decent size contracts.... Wasn't there a 25yo FA past AA KPD available earlier in the week?!

I'm starting to lose faith in this recruitment/list management team...

 

[TedDougChris]

Where's Carlisle???

See, I knew people would nitpick !!!!

 

[Hrovat24]

Bontempelli at CHF in his 2nd year of footy??

Lol

Again WOW

It may have to happen as we don't really have anyone else

 

[Leezorr]

Bontempelli at CHF in his 2nd year of footy??

Lol

Again WOW

I can see it, kid is a gun, was holding it down for stages this year. If there is any truth that he has grown to 195cm, he is highly athletic and it a position i think we should be looking at.

 

[TedDougChris]

I wouldn't mind Roberts up forward, I prefer Roughie back to be honest think his best footy has been there, but may need to move him so we have a Ruck forward as our structure was really off last season with our only KPF each week has to be second ruck.

Agreed. But this move potentially gives us some positional flexibility, as well as coverage in case of form, injury etc....

And at the moment, we have no idea what the price is for getting him...

 

[Wizard17]

Frawely is premiership hunting hence he went to the Hawks...

I don't understand we enquire about Sauce Merrett and Lonergan.... Reportedly offering decent size contracts.... Wasn't there a 25yo FA past AA KPD available earlier in the week?!

I'm starting to lose faith in this recruitment/list management team...

 

[ThirdLegUp]

No great problems with what Wallace said, except that overvalues Cooney.

Barratt is a flog.

Barret is in favour of us giving melbourne one of our gun kids so will talk anything down that is short of that, i call it the Lyon agenda that he has, he is joined at the hip with that hack and so everything he says is tainted with the background opinions of Garry "why did the bulldogs draft better den us we want more pwiowity pwicks" Lyon. He wants the dogs to fail and has an agenda against macca as macca set him straight around round 8 last year behind the scenes. Bailed him up and nailed him, he has been stirring the pot ever since to get back at being embarressed in front of his mates.