Strategy Trade and List management Thread (cont in Part 2)

[mambavino]

Not really a lot to take away from Ameet Bains. As you'd expect he had his cards pretty close to his chest.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Not really a lot to take away from Ameet Bains. As you'd expect he had his cards pretty close to his chest.

Only part I thought was interesting was that some of Wallis, Libba and Roughead will "be there next year". He was asked about Roughead first, then Libba, and that's when he brought up Wallis himself and made that statement. Makes me think it applies to Wallis and Libba more.

 

[mambavino]

Only part I thought was interesting was that some of Wallis, Libba and Roughead will "be there next year". He was asked about Roughead first, then Libba, and that's when he brought up Wallis himself and made that statement. Makes me think it applies to Wallis and Libba more.

Yep I definitely agree with that. It sounds like Rough is gone, and they are more focused on the other two.

 

[BatteredBulldog]

Are you not then perplexed by his refusal to accept our offer, in light of that post-flag interview people keep harking back to? Should he have been rewarded on the basis of sentiment, and his 2016 heroics, or on his current trajectory which has been downwards? Should he have been the one with the sentiment and repeated, I love this club and will accept the lesser offer so I can stay (which he COULD have done)? Do you think we should have matched Geelong's $500k 4-yr terms, for a player of his recent output (durability and pressure notwithstanding) when we might better spend the money on an upgrade (yet to be determined and proven I know) or as I suspect, a culture change driven by Bevo? Teams have to keep evolving, ours is no different.

This decision is clearly not about money. Regardless of the “spin” by the club , there has been a fallout of sorts with the footy club / coaching group and the player( among others) that goes back to 2016/2017.
For obvious reasons and to protect each other’s interests ( particularly the players) the details of the fallout will never be made public.
Whilst it’s frustrating for the supporters not to know the details , we need to distance ourselves from the ongoing debate about money and just trust what Bevo and the footy club have decided. It’s all we can do.

 

[ThirdLegUp]

Pretty clear they have told roughie to look at other clubs as he won't be required, Wallis is probably on the fence , Libba i reckon is staying..

 

[House_of_Dahl]

For all we know Jong is being offered minimum chips for both amount and years. So it's not likely to be a Jong V Dahl decision. If Jong's offer is minimum chips then you could do a lot worse for depth.

 

[BatteredBulldog]

Not really a lot to take away from Ameet Bains. As you'd expect he had his cards pretty close to his chest.

I believe Roughy won’t be there , Wallis will be and 60/40 Libba will be there.

 

[King Harold]

Libba is quality but purely inside, Dunks I like but is a worse kick than Dahl and his best form was purely inside too.
West is on base salary for 2 years so cap isn't an issue with West who may not be ready next year anyway (although I would swap West for any Honeychurch game TBH.).

Dahl has played outside, pressure forward, run-with roles and we don't seem to be under any cap pressure at all. Seems to be the type if he was an opposition player and we could sign him for no draft picks we'd be all over him.
If we sign Jong who is less of a footballer than Dahlhaus that just seems like madness.

All opinion but Dunkley is not a worse kick than Dahl.
Dahl also a chronic hospital hand baller.

 

[Mofra]

Dahlhaus is making the decision to leave. We have an offer on the table according to the club. None of us really know what we have offered Dahl, nor what Geelong have offered. It seems to me that Dahl is leaving for more money and security, as is his right. Until we know for sure what the numbers, are I find it hard to land on a firm position as to whether we have made a responsible offer or whether we have low-balled Dahl.

From the Bains interview:

It was clear pretty early from both sides Dahl would be going.
Doesn't sound like we were close to keeping him. Sounds like we were a fair way from Geelong's offer.

That's what I've heard as well.

 

[Mofra]

Whilst it’s frustrating for the supporters not to know the details , we need to distance ourselves from the ongoing debate about money and just trust what Bevo and the footy club have decided. It’s all we can do.

As a supporter it's our right to form our own opinions and discuss them here.
Nobody is perfect, Bevo included.
Extending the contracts of Prudden, Collins, BTC etc were clearly errors by the club and supporters here disagreed with the club on those measures too.

 

[BarryMorgan]

I believe Roughy won’t be there , Wallis will be and 60/40 Libba will be there.

Haven’t really been following too closely - who’s interested in Libba?

 

[bullish23]

I am ok with Dahl leaving as long as Wallis stays. Losing both is totally unacceptable. My preference on who to keep would have been Wallis over Dahl (just me thou).

Reading Flanagan’s book I always got the sense Bevo didn’t rate Dahl that highly. Called him a ‘messy’ player.

 

[Mofra]

Haven’t really been following too closely - who’s interested in Libba?

Carlton board had a rumour they were interested.
Surprisingly, he's the only player in the competition not linked to St Kilda or North.

 

[Dry Rot]

I've honestly been off the grid since midday Saturday.
Would appreciate a concise 2 or 3 sentence update about what has been happening, aside from Dahl leaving.

Thanks.

 

[AFDogs]

Reading Flanagan’s book I always got the sense Bevo didn’t rate Dahl that highly. Called him a ‘messy’ player.

A messy player who was as hard as a cats head, racked up 25 possies a game and tackled like a bull.

I'll miss the terrier.

 

[Virgin Dog]

I've honestly been off the grid since midday Saturday.
Would appreciate a concise 2 or 3 sentence update about what has been happening, aside from Dahl leaving.

Thanks.

Long, back and forth pointless arguments involving certain pessimistic members of this forum talking about how shit we will be next year. Bunch of unsubstantiated rumours, bit of decent enough discussion.
Basically a typical day for BigFooty, if you caught the Dahl news then you're basically up to date

 

[54Bulldog16]

With all Libba’s mates leaving I’m concerned he chooses to hang up the boots. I’m hoping the opportunity to play with his little brother Oliver in 2020 keeps him here.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Our offer is clearly a fair bit lower - the rumours suggesting circa $350k pa and one year less (and length seems to be the sticking point) indicate the club clearly don't rate him that highly. I have no doubt he'd sign for less money if we got close to Geelong's offer but that is clearly not the case.

We have plenty of players to cut/trade before a senior player who does have elite traits and given our age profile who the hell are we paying? Average AFL salary is over $381k pa and as the 13th placed side we surely have the cap room to accommodate a player like Dahlhuas, especially considering Geelong can clearly afford him.

As for "teams have to keep evolving", can you point to where I or others have said any different? Otherwise, just keep your arguments to reality. thanks.

These figures have always confused me. How did you get $381 ?

 

[BrisDog]

Now I want everyone to sit down, close their eyes and think of the highlights that Dahlhaus and Roughy have provided us in the last 2 seasons...

Yep, me neither - good list management doggies.

 

[jdz101]

Are you not then perplexed by his refusal to accept our offer, in light of that post-flag interview people keep harking back to? Should he have been rewarded on the basis of sentiment, and his 2016 heroics, or on his current trajectory which has been downwards? Should he have been the one with the sentiment and repeated, I love this club and will accept the lesser offer so I can stay (which he COULD have done)? Do you think we should have matched Geelong's $500k 4-yr terms, for a player of his recent output (durability and pressure notwithstanding) when we might better spend the money on an upgrade (yet to be determined and proven I know) or as I suspect, a culture change driven by Bevo? Teams have to keep evolving, ours is no different.

Brushing aside that something has obviously happened to sour the relationship somewhat.

4 years 450 I would have been perfectly fine with. I doubt the club offered that and I suspect he would have taken it if he was moving out Geelong way for 4/500. After tax and in terms of actual dollars in the pocket, the difference between 4/500 and what we are rumoured to have offered is significant for a player like him.

A little sliver of extra cap space is useless in the grand scheme of things. You're taking the good player over a little extra cap space every single time.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

So with possibly getting another first rounder for Dahl we could end up with
2 x Firsts
West
Khamis
Plus rookies.

If we can trade our later first rounder for an established player plus snag West and a Rozee, King, Smith then it will be a huge trade/draft period for us.
Even if we take two firsts to the draft plus West it’s big.
Extremely happy with either outcome, just need the AFL to give us what’s warranted.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Brushing aside that something has obviously happened to sour the relationship somewhat.

4 years 450 I would have been perfectly fine with. I doubt the club offered that and I suspect he would have taken it if he was moving out Geelong way for 4/500. After tax and in terms of actual dollars in the pocket, the difference between 4/500 and what we are rumoured to have offered is significant for a player like him.

A little sliver of extra cap space is useless in the grand scheme of things. You're taking the good player over a little extra cap space every single time.

English, Noughton, Edwards look like requiring a little cap space in the next 2-3 years. Bont still to be signed up plus a number of other players the club has probably identified as being a priority in that same time frame.
Is it possible that the club couldn’t offer Dahl more coin/years without putting these other contracts at risk ?

 

[goodcop badcop]

These figures have always confused me. How did you get $381 ?

Around the 375k mark according to this article

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-23/afl-pay-rise-richard-hinds-column/8642772

 

[Dogs Rule]

Thanks for the permission to feel the way I want to feel.

I get it, it hurts, but that's a childish response.

We know the views you have on the current administration, but some of us are prepared to accept what's happened with Dahlhaus (who wouldn't go for more money and a longer deal) and move on.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

So with possibly getting another first rounder for Dahl we could end up with
2 x Firsts
West
Khamis
Plus rookies.

If we can trade our later first rounder for an established player plus snag West and a Rozee, King, Smith then it will be a huge trade/draft period for us.
Even if we take two firsts to the draft plus West it’s big.
Extremely happy with either outcome, just need the AFL to give us what’s warranted.

There's only a very small chance West gets bid on after the first round, so the compo pick would get used on matching the bid for him if we don't trade it.