Strategy Trade and List management Thread (cont in Part 2)

[Bemoreboyddog]

First we get JJ from South Africa. Then we’ll get Khamis from South Sudan. And now we’re pushing hard to acquire the Republic of Chad.

Good to see the club weren’t stuffing around when they said they were keen to expand our western footprint.

 

[Blizzard2]

Here is the list of pick 7's to go in previous drafts

And people here wouldn't give that up for WIngard??? A 25 yr old dual AA. Pick 7 even in recent years has been speculative whether they would even get near the talent of Wingard.

7 Chris Lindsay North Melbourne West Torrens 1986
7 Darren Davies Western Bulldogs North Hobart 1987
7 Leon Cameron Western Bulldogs South Warrnambool 1988
7 Stephen Edgar Carlton East Fremantle 1989
7 Damian Hampson Carlton Subiaco 1990
7 Jeremy Guard Fitzroy Claremont 1991
7 Wayne Hernaman Richmond South Fremantle 1992
7 Chris L. Johnson Fitzroy Northern U18 1993
7 Tony Brown St Kilda Geelong U18 1994
7 Ben Edwards Fremantle Claremont 1995
7 Bowen Lockwood Port Adelaide Geelong U18 1996
7 Kris Massie Carlton Dandenong U18 1997
7 Josh Carr Port Adelaide East Fremantle 1998
7 Danny Roach Collingwood Tasmania U18 1999
7 Laurence Angwin Adelaide Dandenong U18 2000
7 David Hale North Melbourne Broadbeach 2001
7 Andrew Mackie Geelong Glenelg 2002
7 Kane Tenace Geelong Murray U18 2003
7 Jordan Lewis Hawthorn Geelong U18 2004
7 Patrick Ryder Essendon East Fremantle 2005
7 Joel Selwood Geelong Bendigo U18 2006
7 Rhys Palmer Fremantle East Fremantle 2007
7 Daniel Rich Brisbane Lions Subiaco 2008
7 Brad Sheppard West Coast East Fremantle 2009
7 Josh Caddy Gold Coast Northern U18 2010
7 Nick Haynes Greater Western Sydney Dandenong U18 2011
7 Ollie Wines Port Adelaide Bendigo U18 2012
7 James Aish Brisbane Lions Norwood 2013
7 Paul Ahern Greater Western Sydney Calder U18 2014
7 Jacob Hopper Greater Western Sydney North Ballarat U18 2015
7 Jack Scrimshaw Gold Coast Sandringham U18 2016
7 Hunter Clark St Kilda Dandenong Stingrays 2017

 

[Bulldogs Legend]

Yep

Relax I am sure we have calculators!


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[footyfan000001]

Is there actually something credible linking us to Wingard or are we just daydreaming?

Mark Stevens doesn’t often bull**** regarding news with us

 

[fronkalicious]

This has got some Deron Williams, Carmelo Anthony, and Paul George about it (for NBA fans). Teams trading stars a year before they become free agents to avoid losing them for nothing.

The pending free agency tends to lower the trade price.

 

[Bulldogs Legend]

This is our Hawthorn/Burgoyne moment. Sometimes you pay over someone to get it done.

He’s a freak. An arrogant little campaigner, but a freak.

I agree let’s put our balls out there!


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[TimlinOfficial]

I've been adamant about keeping our first pick this year, so while I'm excited about the prospect of landing Wingard I'd be upset at losing our first. If we got him for next year's first and something else I'd be over the moon. Can't see it happening though, Port would demand pick 7 be a starting point.

Definitely agree, keeping this year's would be wonderful but can't see Port allowing that. In reality, you never come away from these big trades being 'over the moon' because you're always having to give up something super valuable. I think the feeling we'd have upon giving up pick 7 is that sweet spot of being content with the deal

 

[giblj]

Going to enjoy this small period of excitement before he ends up at the Hawfs

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

This has got some Deron Williams, Carmelo Anthony, and Paul George about it (for NBA fans). Teams trading stars a year before they become free agents to avoid losing them for nothing.

The pending free agency tends to lower the trade price.

Think it’s a bit different, Port can’t just send him anywhere. Otherwise they’d just send him to the Saints for a year long rental before he’s a FA.

 

[VitalDread]

This has got some Deron Williams, Carmelo Anthony, and Paul George about it (for NBA fans). Teams trading stars a year before they become free agents to avoid losing them for nothing.

The pending free agency tends to lower the trade price.

Lets hope we dont get a melo output

 

[goodcop badcop]

Category B is a free shot, we lose nothing. Why not try them out?

It's still money that we have to pay out. What's the point if you can't see a player making it, we could spend that extra money on a coach for instance.

 

[Blizzard2]

Going to enjoy this small period of excitement before he ends up at the Hawfs

Won't end up at the Hawks they heavily into Shiel as well as May and to a lesser extent Darcy Moore.

 

[VitalDread]

It's still money that we have to pay out. What's the point if you can't see a player making it, we could spend that extra money on a coach for instance.

Monney is outside the cap so wont affect any signings

 

[Blizzard2]

Lets hope we dont get a melo output

Don't think Bevo is addicted to the Triangle offence

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Lets hope we dont get a melo output

I love the way it happens in the nba, teams back themselves to have a dude for a year and him to stay.

OKC/Paul George was one of the stories of last year, Leanord and Raps will be the same this year.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Here is the list of pick 7's to go in previous drafts

And people here wouldn't give that up for WIngard??? A 25 yr old dual AA. Pick 7 even in recent years has been speculative whether they would even get near the talent of Wingard.

7 Chris Lindsay North Melbourne West Torrens 1986
7 Darren Davies Western Bulldogs North Hobart 1987
7 Leon Cameron Western Bulldogs South Warrnambool 1988
7 Stephen Edgar Carlton East Fremantle 1989
7 Damian Hampson Carlton Subiaco 1990
7 Jeremy Guard Fitzroy Claremont 1991
7 Wayne Hernaman Richmond South Fremantle 1992
7 Chris L. Johnson Fitzroy Northern U18 1993
7 Tony Brown St Kilda Geelong U18 1994
7 Ben Edwards Fremantle Claremont 1995
7 Bowen Lockwood Port Adelaide Geelong U18 1996
7 Kris Massie Carlton Dandenong U18 1997
7 Josh Carr Port Adelaide East Fremantle 1998
7 Danny Roach Collingwood Tasmania U18 1999
7 Laurence Angwin Adelaide Dandenong U18 2000
7 David Hale North Melbourne Broadbeach 2001
7 Andrew Mackie Geelong Glenelg 2002
7 Kane Tenace Geelong Murray U18 2003
7 Jordan Lewis Hawthorn Geelong U18 2004
7 Patrick Ryder Essendon East Fremantle 2005
7 Joel Selwood Geelong Bendigo U18 2006
7 Rhys Palmer Fremantle East Fremantle 2007
7 Daniel Rich Brisbane Lions Subiaco 2008
7 Brad Sheppard West Coast East Fremantle 2009
7 Josh Caddy Gold Coast Northern U18 2010
7 Nick Haynes Greater Western Sydney Dandenong U18 2011
7 Ollie Wines Port Adelaide Bendigo U18 2012
7 James Aish Brisbane Lions Norwood 2013
7 Paul Ahern Greater Western Sydney Calder U18 2014
7 Jacob Hopper Greater Western Sydney North Ballarat U18 2015
7 Jack Scrimshaw Gold Coast Sandringham U18 2016
7 Hunter Clark St Kilda Dandenong Stingrays 2017

Anything from the earlier days is a useless comparison, since teams were a lot less professional in their approach to the draft, making it a massive crapshoot.

To be honest any comparison to previous drafts irks me because you gotta look at who's available this draft.

For example if we trade 7 for Wingard and Bailey Smith is available there I'll be a little shitty.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Monney is outside the cap so wont affect any signings

I understand that, but it's still money that we have to fork out. We're still a small club that's been down a coach since Monty left...

 

[Blizzard2]

Anything from the earlier days is a useless comparison, since teams were a lot less professional in their approach to the draft, making it a massive crapshoot.

To be honest any comparison to previous drafts irks me because you gotta look at who's available this draft.

For example if we trade 7 for Wingard and Bailey Smith is available there I'll be a little shitty.

I think the last ten years of draft is a valid comparison.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

It's still money that we have to pay out. What's the point if you can't see a player making it, we could spend that extra money on a coach for instance.

Because there's no saying they will definitely be a bust, they have some talent at least. If we can't afford two category B contracts to take a punt on them we're in trouble.

 

[ossie_21]

First we get JJ from South Africa. Then we’ll get Khamis from South Sudan. And now we’re pushing hard to acquire the Republic of Chad.

Good to see the club weren’t stuffing around when they said they were keen to expand our western footprint.

Rhylee WEST being brought in to counteract the effect of EASTon Wood to help make this happen

 

[goodcop badcop]

Because there's no saying they will definitely be a bust, they have some talent at least. If we can't afford two category B contracts to take a punt on them we're in trouble.

Well I guess we'll see, but I will be extremely surprised if Dawson makes it. I don't see any standout attributes or upside.
Chatfield is a maybe if he fixes his attitude and even than I'm not sure.

 

[TMoney22]

not a fan of giving up two assets for one. Our first for Wingard and nothing more

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Is there actually something credible linking us to Wingard or are we just daydreaming?

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Of course it can - but it requires a balanced approach, with some maturity mixed in. Trotting out a forward line of Schache, Boyd, Gowers, Greene, Wallis and the likes of Suckling/Bont/Dunkley/Hunter/Crozier/Cordy/McLean/Richards/Lipinski/Dale/Daniel/Johannisen/Picken/Jong/Lynch isn't balanced in the slightest. Dickson adds something but can he stay fit? And even then I don't think it's balanced enough. A lot of those guys aren't really forwards and/or have immature bodies/a lack of experience. At the very least, Lloyd is a genuine forward with a mature body and more experience in the tactical side of things.

Getting Lloyd isn't going to stop us from performing well with the group above - if they're ready to take the next step and allow us to contend ahead of expectations, they will do so with or without Lloyd. If it so happens that we trade in Lloyd, and they do take the next step and he's not needed, what have we lost?

2 points: it depends what your expectations are for next year. If you’re going for a premiership, trade him in. But we’re not ready for that. All our list management decisions over the last 18 months supports this. Crozier and kids.

If he comes in and gets usurped by the kids, which is what I would hope, you lose a list spot to someone who was never going to contribute. This is precisely my point.

 

[who_let_the_dogs_out]

Will cost the farm, but played as a forward it could pay off in spades. A mid he aint.

Sounds like that guy that used to wear number 9.