Strategy Trade and List management Thread (cont in Part 2)

[Bulldogs Legend]

just been messaged that Kane Cornes is saying Wingard to the Dogs, anyone else hear it.

Kane must have just caught up on the last ten pages of BF.


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[Bonts4]

I can’t stand wingard , but if he is available for pick 7 you take it every day of the week

 

[Bulldogs Legend]

That first quarter was some of the dumbest coaching in the history of the game. Threw it away.

I threw up watching it!


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[Bulldogs Legend]

Ha ha we are more attractive than Saints and North.

Wonder if Trengove has anything to do with it.

Port don’t have to trade him though not sure what is going on there.

Might be that the Saints and Norf are shit BF posters!


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[Bulldogs Legend]

If we do go for Wingard at the rumored amount, throw in Boyd's current contract and Bontempelli's pending future contact, surely that will rule us out of making a play for Kelly next year? Given three players will be taking a large chunk of the salary cap, surely we do not have room for a fourth?

If Tigers can fit Rance,Lynch,Dusty,Reiwoldt,Cotchin and others then we should be ok.


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[Bulldogs Legend]

No, it’s an issue. Giants will have to let go of Shiel and probably Lobb just to get under the cap next year.

Richmond are experiencing incredible success right now. Guys like Grigg, Houli, Riewoldt, Rance and Cotchin are signing for less to help the club bring in Lynch. They’ll probably lose some handy depth this year with Miles, Menadue, Stengle, and Lloyd potentially on their way out. Maybe others as well.

We aren’t having success like Richmond. What happened when we won a flag? JJ held out his hand for a massive pay rise.

Don’t believe all that signing for less crap, that’s only less than what they would get somewhere else and in Dusty’s case he would be one of the if not highest paid in the AFL.


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[Bulldogs Legend]

Thats right, Tigers and Cats guns are taking pay cuts to fit other players in, who will be taking pay cuts in our team to help? Easy thing to say from the couch but it will need to happen in some degree.

If we are borderline on the cap after signing Wingard then the list management team and anyone signing off on the previous team need a hard look at themselves. I hope our mid-low tier players are getting payed relative to the league and not based within our team

Bont will be and others would have already, most players will earn more leaving.


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[Bulldogs Legend]

They believe Lynch will be on $800k .. Martin was 1.1k, the others took pay cuts

No evidence of pay cuts just media talk, what Reiwoldts manager confirmed was he took less than what he could get elsewhere.


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[footyfan000001]

Haven’t caps increased 20%? Pretty sure we’ll be okay to lock in the Bont long term and bring in some A grade talent.

 

[Bulldogs Legend]

I just struggle to rate Wingard to the point that he demands giving up a pick in the top ten and what would be atleast 750 a year.
Great player when he is on but that doesn't seem to happen often enough.

You will always have to pay overs to get players.


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[Mattdougie]

Haven’t caps increased 20%? Pretty sure we’ll be okay to lock in the Bont long term and bring in some A grade talent.

If we are even close to paying the full cap we should sack everyone

Who are we paying HUGE money to? No one

We are paying “depth” players too much

 

[VitalDread]

Im pretty sure Bulldogs have 1.5mil in cap space

 

[House_of_Dahl]

After watching those pea-hearted orange campaigners lose again last night I hope we don’t chase any of them... not one stood up when it counted.


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Couldn't have happened to a nicer team

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Why does everybody think this?

He has scored 43,43,53 and 38 goals in his last 6 years and then when moved to the midfield went to kick a goal a game plus average 22 touches a game. 2x All Australian. Wingard is a freak and is EXACTLY want we need.

Hang on..Chad, that you? (username and new hehe)

Agree too btw

 

[ossie_21]

Im pretty sure Bulldogs have 1.5mil in cap space

Including what Dahl leaves?

 

[_M_16_]

Im pretty sure Bulldogs have 1.5mil in cap space

Seems a lot of room now, but pretty much shows we can land one big fish on big money not two. Bontempelli will net a bit more than what he is on now, Wingard rumored to cost around $800k or more, and a few players off contract next year. Unless Boyd's contract is renegotiated, the last of our veterans leave, future salary cap increases or Wingard/Kelly accept less that what is being put out there in rumors. Then we will have little wiggle room for further big named signings. That's why I said if we get Wingard, it will almost rule us out of Kelly next year unless we backload his contract to grow after Boyd's contract expires or some of the above things happen. Bontempelli increase on current deal and Wingard deal alone will push a million dollars.

Though I can see us being ruthless and cutting or letting go other players that will piss many people off here. Most of our better paid players are close to retiring, or underperforming to elite standards expected

 

[MrChristo]

Haven’t caps increased 20%? Pretty sure we’ll be okay to lock in the Bont long term and bring in some A grade talent.

It's also why some of the opinions on $/year aren't great points to argue anymore. (That's not aimed at anyone in particular.)

Like it or not, $900k is the new $750.

 

[Spectre]

Seems a lot of room now, but pretty much shows we can land one big fish on big money not two. Bontempelli will net a bit more than what he is on now, Wingard rumored to cost around $800k or more, and a few players off contract next year. Unless Boyd's contract is renegotiated, the last of our veterans leave, future salary cap increases or Wingard/Kelly accept less that what is being put out there in rumors. Then we will have little wiggle room for further big named signings. That's why I said if we get Wingard, it will almost rule us out of Kelly next year unless we backload his contract to grow after Boyd's contract expires or some of the above things happen. Bontempelli increase on current deal and Wingard deal alone will push a million dollars.

Though I can see us being ruthless and cutting or letting go other players that will piss many people off here. Most of our better paid players are close to retiring, or underperforming to elite standards expected

Good post, totally agree. Getting Wingard doesn't limit us in locking away our younger guys eg richards, naughton, bont - but almost certainly limits our ability to chase a really big fish in the short to medium term. Now that it appears that we can at least be in the conversation to attract a grade talent, and assuming that all players are about equally gettable for the right price, who do we prefer from a list fit perspective - Wingard for (ballpark figures here) pick 7 and 900k or Kelly for pick 7, next year's first and 1.2mil?

 

[dish licker]

Kane must have just caught up on the last ten pages of BF.


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maybe but the message was Cornes had said his info was Wingard going to the Bulldogs, he is pretty close to Port so should account for something.

 

[Blizzard2]

Including what Dahl leaves?

it is more what Roughy leaves one of the highest payed at the club

 

[Blizzard2]

maybe but the message was Cornes had said his info was Wingard going to the Bulldogs, he is pretty close to Port so should account for something.

Kane is a shock jock journo but he is usually spot on when it comes to Port

 

[Blizzard2]

Seems a lot of room now, but pretty much shows we can land one big fish on big money not two. Bontempelli will net a bit more than what he is on now, Wingard rumored to cost around $800k or more, and a few players off contract next year. Unless Boyd's contract is renegotiated, the last of our veterans leave, future salary cap increases or Wingard/Kelly accept less that what is being put out there in rumors. Then we will have little wiggle room for further big named signings. That's why I said if we get Wingard, it will almost rule us out of Kelly next year unless we backload his contract to grow after Boyd's contract expires or some of the above things happen. Bontempelli increase on current deal and Wingard deal alone will push a million dollars.

Though I can see us being ruthless and cutting or letting go other players that will piss many people off here. Most of our better paid players are close to retiring, or underperforming to elite standards expected

Toyds contract was massively front ended

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

Can’t see Smith lasting to 7 unless Rozee jumps. And even then it’ll probably be a King that slides.

 

[TedDougChris]

Can’t see Smith lasting to 7 unless Rozee jumps. And even then it’ll probably be a King that slides.

I can see a trend of the big KPP starting to slide, unless outstanding Athletes - much like ruckmen have been in recent years - just due to the long time before they start to deliver...

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

I can see a trend of the big KPP starting to slide, unless outstanding Athletes - much like ruckmen have been in recent years - just due to the long time before they start to deliver...

Especially Vic key forwards.