Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 2 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Dogs Rule]

Damos sliding doors.... What a prick

He's the king of generalisations. Doesn't look beneath the surface, just the easy answers (in his mind anyway).

 

[gangsta deluxe]

Should we lock Power and Bevo away in solitary for a month?

Problem is, if Power mopes around pondering our 'failure' we potentially miss out on other opportunities which may present themselves in the coming days and I'm sure they're out there.

Maybe Wingard was always going to Hawthorn? Who knows or really cares now? Doesn't come across as the sharpest tool in the shed so I can see how he would easily buy into the Clarkson 'aura' and the idea of being a show pony at the G (the spotlight of big games also more exposing of players who fail of course) and wouldn't have even bothered to look at their rapidly ageing list or gone into depth.

If Power moped around pondering his failure then he fails further. Again, nobody is suggesting that he should do that. Completely the oppposite

 

[Northernsoul74]

Kane Cornes said on trade radio Port offered a fair bit more money to Wingard than what the Dogs were offering.

We can’t have been that serious then.

 

[immortalmike]

I think the degree of ‘failure’ being ascribed to Wingard chosing Hawthorn is the issue. For some of us, the ranting and raving and calling for heads over it is baffling.

In a strict sense, the club ‘failed’ to lure Wingard. Just like I ‘failed’ to resist the lure of carbs yesterday. There are degrees to ‘failure’ that are impacted by the stakes and circumstances.

A player choosing a club that won double the games we did this year and has a list more balanced for immediate success isn’t necessarily a huge failure on Sam Power’s or the club’s strategy to luring him imo. At least that’s not the first conclusion I’ve drawn.

Perhaps Wingard didn’t want to be one of only a handful of late-20s leaders at a rebuilding club? He doesn’t strike me as a roll up the sleeves and lead from the front type.

There are so many possible explanations other than the “Power failed, burn the witch!” option.

That’s not to say he ran a perfect campaign either. I have no idea. But if we’re speculating, there are a bunch of possible explanations I’d give weight to before “club’s stuffed, what a failure, Power stinks” etc.

Considering I've never called for heads I'm not sure why I was quoted.

Even in my biggest rant I called it a clubwide failure. And it is. We shouldn't be in this situation 2 years after a flag.

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Think others have said
But hope we are trying to go Adams and 7 to Brisbane for 5
Then try and swap 5 for 8 and 13 to the crows
Still gives us currency for mature players if needed but gives us a good draft position if all else fails.
Come on Sammy

I’d 100% be trying to do this.

Getting two gun kids before West should be th priority now. I know people don’t want us to get even younger, but that’s our best option now unless something drastic happens.

 

[Sentinel]

Hawks apparently going hard for Scully too. Surely we can put our hat in the ring there and trump any offer they put out..

 

[Hoges64]

We can’t have been that serious then.

Oh but we WERE. Didn't you hear?

We went HARD at Wingard and failed. At least according to every halfwit with one keyboard and zero clue.

 

[jdz101]

Would Hawthorns board signed off on Bev as a senior coach? I’m not so sure

That was one decision that was widely reported from both in and out of the club that we took a lot of time on, used a number of different people, and hired someone with a track record of winning in that role, despite not doing it in the AFL per se.

I don't think power has even a tenth of the runs on the board as Beveridge did in his position.

 

[slapper]

Would love a zippy small crumbling forward similar to Betts, Cameron, Gresham Etc.
Wingard would've been perfect. Any other options?

Jeff Garlett?


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[jdz101]

Oh, you mean the Hawthorn Football Club, that gave a very unknown Port Adelaide assistant coach named Alastair Clarkson a go all the way back in 2004?

Yeah, I think they would.

Come on now.

Clarkson had experience as a head coach at SANFL level and as an assistant at AFL level.

What experience as a list manager has Sam Power ever had other than making coffees and part timing as a scout at the worst run football club of the past decade?

For what it's worth, I have been on record here saying that I'd rather just keep pick 7 over wingard. Couldn't really give a stuff about missing out on wingard.

Power just doesn't inspire me with a whole lot of confidence.

 

[Gridlock'd]

Damos sliding doors.... What a prick

It’s hard to say that he’s wrong right now.

 

[The Inbetweener]

Oh but we WERE. Didn't you hear?

We went HARD at Wingard and failed. At least according to every halfwit with one keyboard and zero clue.

How can you see it any other way? You thibkna club would come out and state our interest publicly but not go hard?

 

[The Inbetweener]

Believe plan B is to take 7 to the draft and get Smith.

They are very confident he will be there at 7 due to not wanting to go interstate. In saying that we were also very confident on Wingard so who knows

 

[Bald]

It’s hard to say that he’s wrong right now.

The good players that are leaving have proven to have poor attitude or clashing personalities.

The good player that chose not to come opted to go to the most successful club as opposed to a battling club.

He's not wrong, but he's not right.

 

[Bazzas Lovechild]

Scully to Hawks??????

Clearly salary cap rules don’t apply to them.

What could they possibly have to trade for him?

Truly bizarre.

 

[Barking Mad]

2016 win a flag
2017 Well below par and constant speculation of hangover ending with Stringer traded and murmurs of others on the table.
2018 Well below par ending with us cleaning house and some of 2017 murmurs coming true and Power blamed.
2019 Bottom 4 expectations given same forward structure although Boyd expected back, Schache with another preseason under belt as Greene and Lipinski will, Dale hopefully fit and Lloyd. Whilst Lloyd isn’t an A grader he is a decent player and can play Dicko role if he underperforms at an expected late pick and little money. Add Dunlkley becoming a better “goal kicking “ mid when Dahl was out and I fail to see all the doom and gloom.

 

[Dog 36]

Damo's little dig could be said for most clubs during this time of year as it applies to most clubs

 

[MJ_Dogs]

We can’t have been that serious then.

I don’t buy that we offered less then port. What’s the point then? As if he was going to leave his home town for less

 

[ossie_21]

Scully to Hawks??????

Clearly salary cap rules don’t apply to them.

What could they possibly have to trade for him?

Truly bizarre.

If they got Wingard & Scully, I would implode. Absolutely impossible unless Scully is a dirt cheap salary dump, but if that’s the case lots of clubs should be after him

Until he says they’re his preferred destination so unders it is

 

[DognBones]

Scully to Hawks??????

Clearly salary cap rules don’t apply to them.

What could they possibly have to trade for him?

Truly bizarre.

I think the salary cap is a fantasy world full of elves and fairies.

 

[TiAn_]

Considering I've never called for heads I'm not sure why I was quoted.

Even in my biggest rant I called it a clubwide failure. And it is. We shouldn't be in this situation 2 years after a flag.

You’re quoted because I’m responding to what you said. A conversation can be about subjects other than the participants. I didn’t ascribe anything to you.

 

[lachy]

What I find a little sad though is that it is those same people that latch on to the "we're not a big, attractive club" trope as an excuse. It's bullshit and it's defeatist. We aren't a small club. We lie at the seat of the biggest growth area of Australia, in culturally diverse hipster cool Footscray, we won a premiership two years ago and have a list and coach many teams could only dream about. If you can't sell that, you're not trying hard enough.

Interesting choice of words adding attractive club in there which I know I have not said an I cannot see any who have disagreed with your position saying that either.

In what way are we a big club:
- Membership - one of the smallest in Victoria
- Play home and away games in front of big crowds - No play at most 2 games at the MCG in ordinary time slots and we play our home games at Docklands and Ballarat which does not hold 11,000
- Blockbuster games - No

There is no measurement that we are not a small club. However, that does not mean we are an unattractive club to Players who want to build and be a part of something special, but we will remain an unattractive club to those players who want to play in 'big'games throughout the season. No amount of 'selling'will ever change that.

You note the 2016 premiership, how did we go about building that team? Who were big fish in the prime we landed? Did we lose players in the build up who had been part of the fabric, Griffen, Cooney and Higgins? Why are they worse then losing Dahl and Libba now, which you have made your position on this well known. How much experience did Bev have when he took on the senior coaching role and how was his initial interview after taking on the position?

We are what we are as a club, and unlike North and St Kilda who are trying to buy there way out of trouble we are doing things differently to the big clubs and are rebuilding a list that has the potential to have more sustainable success than we had after 2016 as the majority of those young guns that won that are three years older and more experienced next season and entering their prime.

Do we make mistakes in the way we go about it, absolutely we do. Do I support everything we do, absolutely not. We have become and innovative progressive club that is becoming stronger and more sustainable by embracing what it is, not being envious of those that have more and I hope we continue down this alternative path, even though there will be actions I will vehemently disagree with as this is how we challenge the big clubs with unlimited resources, favourable draws and first class home grounds.

We should be striving to be the best we can be, which is a sustainable successful club, and to do that we need to do it differently as accepting we are a smaller club is not defeatist or bullshit, it is reality, we just need to be more innovative in what we do and personally I will trust those in the club to make those decisions, though I will disagree with them and believe they will make mistakes, as right now the club is in its strongest position it has been since the old VFA days

 

[Fossie 32]

So now we turn to Tom Scully... and also have to find a job for his father!

Boot studder.

 

[Bazzas Lovechild]

If Scully is gettable we should move heaven and earth to get him...unless of course we are so unattractive to players that they’ll take unders to get to Hawthorn and if that’s the case then Barrett (cursed be his name) may have a point.

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Saints ended up paying **** all for Hanners. I don’t mind that from them.

They’ve gotta pay someone.