Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 4 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Sentinel]

His "actual salary" is irrelevant because it has no real connection to his expected or actual performance. What we're paying him and what we are getting from him are the relevant variables.

I mostly agree other than assuming we would have paid him a higher salary (although not $300k p.a. higher) if Collingwood weren't chipping in so much, so we get more bang for our buck than we otherwise could have given his salary's market worth (again, an assumption). I think hes performing pretty much expectations too.

I take your point though.

 

[BLACAE]

Is Buku a golf player now?

Fair call, there was one shining light.

 

[The Inbetweener]

Might be out of our control if he actually wants to leave, but English is our most important re-signing this off-season, even including Baz.

 

[Bald]

Might be out of our control if he actually wants to leave, but English is our most important re-signing this off-season, even including Baz.

What's he realistically worth?

 

[cecil]

What's he realistically worth?

700k a year at the moment. Potentially more in 6 weeks. If he's open to staying in Vic, and his form continues, he could get a 5 year/$4m deal I reckon

 

[ScragCity]

What's he realistically worth?

Probably 750k per year minimum for us to re-sign him. Open market he could draw offers of up to 900k.

 

[Mutt]

Might be out of our control if he actually wants to leave, but English is our most important re-signing this off-season, even including Baz.

English is a significantly more important player to us than Baz. Not a knock on Baz but English may be that unicorn that we need and could be the dominant ruckman in the comp in the near future. Baz's disposal renders him a good but not great midfielder. Both are youngish and in a couple of years' time I may think differently....but it's signing English to a long term deal that must be our priority right now.

 

[weltschmerz]

Baz would be my second most important of our big name signings. A future captain who brings so much to the club and to our midfield. English is the first. We need him.

 

[mattwa]

English/Baz, Dale, Dunkley in that order. I think Caleb has resigned or very close too already so not putting him on the list. Dale gives us so much drive he's essential to the way we play

 

[Sentinel]

What's an uncontracted English realistically worth in terms of picks? 1x top 10 pick? Add in a 2nd round pick? As a Dogs fan you obviously want more than just a first but I'm not sure what he'd command exactly if he keeps this form up.

We wanted 2x first round picks for Dunkley but he was contracted for 2 more years whilst also surely a lessor player in terms of trade value (all other things equal).

 

[DognBones]

As each week goes by it's becoming abundantly clear that we must do everything in our Power to retain English. Suddenly, he has become far more important than we could have thought possible from previous seasons.
The improvement is noticeable week to week particularly around the ground where his 'midfielder' ability is so important to the team.
Ironically, the pendulum has swung considerably in his favour as to the type of contract he can now expect. It's not quite a case of him holding us over a barrel but it's getting close to that IMO.
We need him to stay.

 

[ScragCity]

If we have to lose Dunks and Daniel to keep Tim then I'll live with that.

 

[Doggies7]

What's an uncontracted English realistically worth in terms of picks? 1x top 10 pick? Add in a 2nd round pick? As a Dogs fan you obviously want more than just a first but I'm not sure what he'd command exactly if he keeps this form up.

We wanted 2x first round picks for Dunkley but he was contracted for 2 more years whilst also surely a lessor player in terms of trade value (all other things equal).

Problem is the "we will just take him in the PSD" talk will likely start if we are asking for too much I imagine. His value would absolutely be top 10 pick ++. Maybe we are able to get back one of their KPPs also if it comes to it...

 

[Northernsoul74]

Problem is the "we will just take him in the PSD" talk will likely start if we are asking for too much I imagine. His value would absolutely be top 10 pick ++. Maybe we are able to get back one of their KPPs also if it comes to it...

Freo don’t really need him so it’s essentially what West Coast can offer. I suspect their first this year will be too high so they’d likely split it or we’d have to give significant back.

 

[mattwa]

Freo don’t really need him so it’s essentially what West Coast can offer. I suspect their first this year will be too high so they’d likely split it or we’d have to give significant back.

Tim's Mrs bought a home in melb recently. Really think he is just backing himself in to cash in and it's worked

 

[Northernsoul74]

Tim's Mrs bought a home in melb recently. Really think he is just backing himself in to cash in and it's worked

Someone else posted they’ve just bought a house in Cottesloe Perth. I agree, I think he’s backing himself for a big contract here. There’s clearly truth in the whole him wanting to be an out and out number 1 ruck.

 

[missfinland]

Someone else posted they’ve just bought a house in Cottesloe Perth. I agree, I think he’s backing himself for a big contract here. There’s clearly truth in the whole him wanting to be an out and out number 1 ruck.

The house arrangement is true. She purchased a property in WA couple of months ago.

He was on the way out last year from all reports but couldn’t get it done.

Fingers crossed he stays. Been a sensational start to the year.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

That's partly due to two years in a row spending nearly our entire draft on one player along with the Treloar trade.

It was the right thing to do, but does have consequences.

It is what I have been saying, my worry is what if one or both of them are busts

 

[Northernsoul74]

The house arrangement is true. She purchased a property in WA couple of months ago.

He was on the way out last year from all reports but couldn’t get it done.

Fingers crossed he stays. Been a sensational start to the year.

His agent said his interest last year was from Melbourne clubs.

 

[Philthy1]

It is what I have been saying, my worry is what if one or both of them are busts

One of them being a total bust would be unfortunate. Both of them a bust would be a total disaster.

We haven't seen enough from JUH yet to determine what level he could get to. Darcy won't play for some time.

I don't think we will know the answer until 3-4 years from now.

 

[Maverick Dog]

I hope Tim’s relationship with the coach is not too strained. Bevo indirectly had a lot of digs at Tim last year, hence why he was looking at options. Hopefully Bevo has realised how important he is and mends the relationship. His strong relationship with Naughts and Co is a plus. His friendship group is here.

 

[josh the gent]

I hope Tim’s relationship with the coach is not too strained. Bevo indirectly had a lot of digs at Tim last year, hence why he was looking at options. Hopefully Bevo has realised how important he is and mends the relationship. His strong relationship with Naughts and Co is a plus. His friendship group is here.

Maybe Bevo has brought out the best in him though - can’t argue with his development based on last night!

 

[mattwa]

Think Bevo has been Tim's number 1 supporter. Played him in the ruck for 3 years when he wasn't ready to fast track his development

 

[VitalDread]

What's an uncontracted English realistically worth in terms of picks? 1x top 10 pick? Add in a 2nd round pick? As a Dogs fan you obviously want more than just a first but I'm not sure what he'd command exactly if he keeps this form up.

We wanted 2x first round picks for Dunkley but he was contracted for 2 more years whilst also surely a lessor player in terms of trade value (all other things equal).

As of right now
1x 2022 First Round pick
1x 2023 Frist Round Pick

Swap of later picks upgrades

 

[Here we go dogs]

As of right now
1x 2022 First Round pick
1x 2023 Frist Round Pick

Swap of later picks upgrades

English could write his on cheque at the moment.