Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Just Watching]

I just wasted 15 minutes reading a whole lot of nothing.

Bev is a ****ing legend.

 

[TiAn_]

Not sure if I like that. He signed the contract. Essentially threatening to be a destabilising influence on the group isn't a great look. What if he decides he doesn't want to be at the club the says midway through his contract with us?

For all Dunkley has been ragged on here over the past few weeks, at least he was happy to show up and knuckle down when he didn't get his way.

He’s not really threatening though is he, he’s already left Fremantle, he was asked how he would have felt if he didn’t leave. It’s a hypothetical.

 

[ScragCity]

Not sure if I like that. He signed the contract. Essentially threatening to be a destabilising influence on the group isn't a great look. What if he decides he doesn't want to be at the club the says midway through his contract with us?

For all Dunkley has been ragged on here over the past few weeks, at least he was happy to show up and knuckle down when he didn't get his way.

He's not threatening anything. He's saying that there might have been a perception that he wasn't fully committed if he'd been forced to stay a second time. The perception itself would be destabilising for the group. Read it again, more carefully:

“Considering I had one last year on my contract and I had asked previously, I think it would be really hard on the group having me around again, feeling like I’m not as committed as I should be,” he said.

 

[Selim]

He's not threatening anything. He's saying that there might have been a perception that he wasn't fully committed if he'd been forced to stay a second time. The perception itself would be destabilising for the group. Read it again, more carefully:

“Considering I had one last year on my contract and I had asked previously, I think it would be really hard on the group having me around again, feeling like I’m not as committed as I should be,” he said.

yea exactly this, and like the same would of happened/been felt if Dunkleys trade was rejected a 2nd time and he had to stay with us for another year

 

[Mikevk123]

I honestly think you guys came out well considering what the lions tried to do. Hunter was unfortunate but I personally think his best is behind him. Schache and Cordy were decent depth options but aren’t worth the salary.

Should help you coming into the next two years. The recruitment of JUH and Darcy has limited you’re drafting.

This is how I see the best 30 next season.

B- Darcy Keath Duryea
HB- Dale Jones Richards
C- Williams Libreatore Macrae
HF- Treloar Naughton West
F- Weightman Lobb JUH
FOLL- English B.Smith Bontempelli
I/C- McLean, Daniel, Garcia, Johannisen

Emergencies
Vandermeer, Crozier, Cleary, Bruce, Gardner, Sweet, Bedendo, McNeil

 

[weltschmerz]

I honestly think you guys came out well considering what the lions tried to do. Hunter was unfortunate but I personally think his best is behind him. Schache and Cordy were decent depth options but aren’t worth the salary.

Should help you coming into the next two years. The recruitment of JUH and Darcy has limited you’re drafting.

This is how I see the best 30 next season.

B- Darcy Keath Duryea
HB- Dale Jones Richards
C- Williams Libreatore Macrae
HF- Treloar Naughton West
F- Weightman Lobb JUH
FOLL- English B.Smith Bontempelli
I/C- McLean, Daniel, Garcia, Johannisen

Emergencies
Vandermeer, Crozier, Cleary, Bruce, Gardner, Sweet, Bedendo, McNeil

Swap Macrae and BSmith and that'd damn near be my side of choice. Glad to see theree are oppo supporters who rate Garcia, he's had so much trouble gettig his body right but there's big talent there.

 

[fred cook]

I just wasted 15 minutes reading a whole lot of nothing.

Bev is a ******* legend.

That’s what the StKilda football club board think as well


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[flipper83]

What’s more, the team had flown from Tassie, where they were confined to the hotel for the week, then in Brisbane they were locked in hotel rooms until the game.

Also the Queensland government stopped us having a recovery session after the game in Tassie as part of their conditions of entry.
Oh and we were forced to play in Tassie instead of South Australia, even though we earned the right to choose the state for our match.

 

[Sentinel]

He's not threatening anything. He's saying that there might have been a perception that he wasn't fully committed if he'd been forced to stay a second time. The perception itself would be destabilising for the group. Read it again, more carefully:

“Considering I had one last year on my contract and I had asked previously, I think it would be really hard on the group having me around again, feeling like I’m not as committed as I should be,” he said.

Fair enough, I read it like he was saying he wouldn't have been committed had he stayed but you're right, it's about perception of others, not how he actually would have acted.

 

[DueWest]

Dom milesi is the most important person at the club.

Sam and Dom both look very malnourished

 

[DueWest]

Having Cloke play 1 year for the club at the end of his career has been nowhere near as impactful as JJ’s long term deal on big money to play a handful of decent games a year, spend time in the ressies and miss 12 weeks with a “mystery calf”.

When he plays well, which was about twice this year, his attributes are clear for all to see. But he has underperformed significantly for what we’ve paid. If list management is your gripe since 2017, that contract stands out above all else.

Wow he was one of our better players in the 2021 GF playing out of position in forward pocket

With Dunkley and Hunter gone may he move higher up the ground and go back to Norm Smith form

 

[Angak]

I just wasted 15 minutes reading a whole lot of nothing.

Bev is a ******* legend.

Bevo IMO is still the best coach in the game.

Losing him would be the worst decision in the history of this football club.

 

[charcoalchicken]

Bevo IMO is still the best coach in the game.

Losing him would be the worst decision in the history of this football club.

Not sure if he’s the best, he’s top 5 though for sure and agree it would be a seriously dumb decision that would backfire on us badly, the whole time I’ve barracked for this club I have never seen us in better shape on and off field.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Sam and Dom both look very malnourished

They’ve been too busy to eat . Didn’t anyone think to send in some Uber Eats?

 

[Deadly Darcy]

Bevo IMO is still the best coach in the game.

Losing him would be the worst decision in the history of this football club.

I think people forget we were absolutely striped off coaches and high performance staff over the last few years. The true endictment on the club is that we filled those roles with (in my opinion and the results suggest it) far less talented and certainly less experienced personel. Like others I pray Lade is the start of at least 2/3 new faces this off season to bring in some new ideas and to support the big fella.

 

[Jen Geoffings]

Bevo IMO is still the best coach in the game.

Losing him would be the worst decision in the history of this football club.

Agree. I’d love the club to announce a 2 year Bevo extension on Monday.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Sam and Dom both look very malnourished

I'm about Sam's age and I clearly remember his first game for us in 2002 at Optus, I think it was against Freo. He was a skinnier, fresh faced kid who looked painfully shy and awkward (like me). Poor bloke looked like he would never need to shave.

I look at him now, unshaven and drawn and think 'Am I really that old?'

 

[DogDays]

We've essentially done that. Thrown almost everything out and started again.
There will be those that think 2016 was overrated that we "played above" ourselves. I pay them no mind as it is utter bullshit that a team can overperform especially in such an injury plagued year. That finals series was our level. The next year was a debacle from a leadership standpoint. As have been all other years since bar maybe 2021.

I hear the personal responsibility excuse quite a bit but five players left from the youngest flag side in history? That excuse doesn't wash for me. One or two leaving sure that happens but the amount of players put in the too hard basket is hard to ignore.

Then we have the inability of our leadership and recruitment to capitalize on winning a flag with a team with holes and many young players. We win the flag and recruited only a washed up Cloke and lose our CHB. That's it. How did that even happen. There should have been players knocking down the door to play CHF and CHB. Instead nothing.

The mismanagement of our list still goes on today. We've been screaming out for tall backs, target Trengove and don't play him, let Roughead go, give away Adams, draft one key back since 2017 in Naughton (who is a gun forward now), get Keath in bulk him up so his body falls apart and get nothing else in. We've needed rucks for years, get a geriatric Martin who was so cooked before he came he was partially digested, only draft Sweet who again we refuse to play, and rely on a very flaky (especially in big games) Tim English. Now we're reliant on Tim because sure as hell isn't a fulltime ruck.

We seem rudderless. Where is our direction? Where is our strategy? Where is our leadership? 2016 seems another case of "Mission Accomplished" and sit on our hands for the next fifty years.

Next year better be a good one otherwise I see North Melbourne under Scott in our future. Mediocrity.

You’re one of the posters I respect the most on here. I know I’ve been away for a while but I have to say the negativity here sincerely surprises me.

I hope we can all get back to cheering on our team as we win more games, finals and another premiership or six

 

[dergert]

Bought my membership today.

Before committing to it I wanted to see if changes would be made in the off season in the coaches box and playing list and they have.

Next year can't come quick enough.

 

[bullish23]

immortalmike Bevo's lack of success in the immediate aftermath of 2016 was in part by design by list management rather than going all-in. We tried to have some element of sustainable success rather than tried to back it up.

Most teams that just won a flag or were close look to trade top picks for an immediate hit.

Not only did we not trade our first rounders in 2016 (English) and 2017 (Naughton) but we deliberately packaged other picks to try and get earlier second round picks to bring in more talent eaxh year (Lipinski and Richards).

While we could have tried to win the flag in 2017 and 2018 more directly and there's no doubt that Bevo is a less tactically astute coach than he was in 2015 and 2016, we clearly had an effort of bringing in young top-end talent to attempt to sustain success.

Sorry, I know you are a good poster generally but I cannot buy that at all. I can clearly recall Bevo stating that Top 2 was the goal in 2017 to secure home ground advantage throughout finals, and we started really well. Only after we fell away later in that year and then into 2018, that the above then became the narrative after Chris Grant tried to explain away our post 2016 fall.

I’m a Bevo fan, but 2023 he has to deliver top 4. As King said, time for excuses are over. Can’t keep forever planning for future years.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Sorry, I know you are a good poster generally but I cannot buy that at all. I can clearly recall Bevo stating that Top 2 was the goal in 2017 to secure home ground advantage throughout finals, and we started really well. Only after we fell away later in that year and then into 2018, that the above then became the narrative after Chris Grant tried to explain away our post 2016 fall.

I’m a Bevo fan, but 2023 he has to deliver top 4. As King said, time for excuses are over. Can’t keep forever planning for future years.

Of course that has to be the aim to challenge players to go one better.

The best way of doing that using draft picks as assets not in trades but in taking two top rated 18 year olds in English amd Lipinski makes little sense, because neither had any impact whatsoever in helping us win games in 2017.

 

[Maverick Dog]

Bevo was Brilliant in 15/16 with good support staff around him. As Dal said he let the bakers bake instead of micro managing. In 17 he became the micro manager King Almighty and has not got close to his coaching brilliance of 15/16, and now is a very average coach. if he goes back to his 15/16 Philosophy and is surrounded by independent thinking and capable support staff we can win a flag. If he does not change we are no chance.

 

[LondonBulldog]

Marty Fredricks anyone from Port, brother of the Freo Fredricks. Super quick, Port fans seems to think he was hard done by. Pace alone I’d have a good look at him.


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[The Inbetweener]

When looking if we’ve under achieved I usually break it down to years in terms of could we actually win the premiership.
17-18 - god knows what happened those years but it delivered us Naughton and Baz so not all bad.
19 - underachieved. We were the form team of the league heading into the finals. I really believe had we of beaten GWS we would have made the GF that year
20 - not beating the saints in week 1 was inexcusable. Don’t think we would have gone much further though as we would have faced the Tigers week 2.
21 - amazing finals run. Losing the way we did though will sting for a while
22 - just never got going. Had we of beaten Freo we wouldn’t have gone any further.

So for me the biggest let down was 2019, compounded by the fact that If we were more consistent we wouldn’t constantly be finding ourselves in elimination finals.

Had we won last year none of it would even matter. But the fact is we didn’t. I think we have 2 years left of solid contending and if we don’t win one in those two years, the opportunity may have passed for this group. Just need one more flag and the disappointing finals performances will be forgotten and Bont can make claim for being the best Dogs player ever etc

 

[Hoges64]

Marty Fredricks anyone from Port, brother of the Freo Fredricks. Super quick, Port fans seems to think he was hard done by. Pace alone I’d have a good look at him.


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I'd like to try him on a wing. Is it a thing that a club can just invite someone over for two or three weeks of training to see if he has the required tank / running patterns / nous to play the role?