Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[jedidoggies]

So to all the talent watchers.Who do the dogs take in the mid season draft.Other than Footscray who are terrible.Around the country who is worth a list spot ? I say a tall fast midfielder.

Ethan Stanley goal kicking winger who runs all-day.
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[BeMoreBont]

We need to target midfielders who have proven they belong at the level, aren't getting the opportunities in the AFL side and have been in the system for a few years.

Pretty much what the Pies did with Lipinski.

A couple I would be looking at would be Bianco and Sonsie. I really like Bianco in particular.

Yes we need to draft midfielders, but we also need to get another one or two in that early 20s age range, who will be peaking with Baz when our key talls are all peaking.

 

[Libbaaaa]

We need to target midfielders who have proven they belong at the level, aren't getting the opportunities in the AFL side and have been in the system for a few years.

Pretty much what the Pies did with Lipinski.

A couple I would be looking at would be Bianco and Sonsie. I really like Bianco in particular.

Yes we need to draft midfielders, but we also need to get another one or two in that early 20s age range, who will be peaking with Baz when our key talls are all peaking.

Lipinski attended something like less than 30% CBAs for the Pies last year, the number will be even smaller when he returns with Mitchell running around. He is basically playing the role we all wanted him to play for us, high half forward who works his way into stoppage.

 

[doggies ftw]

Lipinski attended something like less than 30% CBAs for the Pies last year, the number will be even smaller when he returns with Mitchell running around. He is basically playing the role we all wanted him to play for us, high half forward who works his way into stoppage.

Admittedly we have a few types like this ie Daniel, now Macrae and even Baz etc so I’m not sure he would have got a look in there for a while. Pies have some pretty explosive mids/HFFs so he probably suits them a lot better where he’d just make us even more one paced.

It’s a shame because I’d love his skills delivering to the fwd line right now - I think we could have at least tried to make it work more than we did. Admittedly I think we turned him into AJ IIRC so all in all probably could be a big win for us

 

[Mofra]

Lipinski attended something like less than 30% CBAs for the Pies last year, the number will be even smaller when he returns with Mitchell running around. He is basically playing the role we all wanted him to play for us, high half forward who works his way into stoppage.

We currently have Jack Macrae playing that role for us, and Baz has played that role for us some games too (pre-Treloar injury).
Pretty handy types

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Lipinski attended something like less than 30% CBAs for the Pies last year, the number will be even smaller when he returns with Mitchell running around. He is basically playing the role we all wanted him to play for us, high half forward who works his way into stoppage.

He'll be very good in this role given his sublime skillset.

But I find it a little ironic ironic that he is going to find himself in exactly the same position that he allegedly used as catalyst when he requested a trade to Collingwood.

Its almost like his one-pacedness has errrr...caught up with him again.

 

[VitalDread]

HS Reporting that Anthony Scott will sign a two year extension

 

[Testekill]

HS Reporting that Anthony Scott will sign a two year extension

Honestly deserved, he's reliable depth. Someone that comes in and does his job and fills gaps in the team where needed.

 

[Libbaaaa]

We currently have Jack Macrae playing that role for us, and Baz has played that role for us some games too (pre-Treloar injury).
Pretty handy types

Always thought that would be the position where he landed for us albeit with more of a focus on being a medium forward who occasionally pushed up. At 190cm he is taller than Bailey Fritsch and has always been a great finisher. I think that is where he will make the most of his football life when alls said and done.

 

[ossie_21]

Honestly deserved, he's reliable depth. Someone that comes in and does his job and fills gaps in the team where needed.

Wouldn’t take up much cap space either

 

[doggies ftw]

Honestly deserved, he's reliable depth. Someone that comes in and does his job and fills gaps in the team where needed.

He is the perfect role player, does everything pretty well, doesn’t do anything overly poorly. Consistently okay-good. Can play multiple roles (pls no defence though) quick, good by foot, decent in the air, not overly hard at it but cracks in when he has to, can find the goals.

Having a really good year Scotty - he is one vfl player we definitely got right

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Can play multiple roles (pls no defence though)

I look forward to seeing Scott back JJ forward this week

 

[Generation West]

The way things are looking, we are likely to have our two x first round draft selections in the mid to late teens, plus some second round options.

We are almost certain to bundle those two selections to work our way into the top 6 - 10 range.

Our depth in key position areas looks well covered and a likely Jordan Croft FS selection adds even more strength to this part of our list profile.

If we did trade into the top 10, can any draft watchers identify who the best mids are that would be available in this part of the 2023 draft ?

 

[dogwatch]

The way things are looking, we are likely to have our two x first round draft selections in the mid to late teens, plus some second round options.

We are almost certain to bundle those two selections to work our way into the top 6 - 10 range.

Our depth in key position areas looks well covered and a likely Jordan Croft FS selection adds even more strength to this part of our list profile.

If we did trade into the top 10, can any draft watchers identify who the best mids are that would be available in this part of the 2023 draft ?

This doesn’t exactly answer your question but …

… Someone here - maybe LittleG? - said they’d be more than happy to have three first rounders in the 10-18 range because there were so many good options after the top 2-3 picks. Hence try to trade our lower picks to get an extra late first.

I think the implication was there’s not much between about pick 6 and pick 16 so why not go for as many hits as we can get?

 

[Foxman98]

The way things are looking, we are likely to have our two x first round draft selections in the mid to late teens, plus some second round options.

We are almost certain to bundle those two selections to work our way into the top 6 - 10 range.

Our depth in key position areas looks well covered and a likely Jordan Croft FS selection adds even more strength to this part of our list profile.

If we did trade into the top 10, can any draft watchers identify who the best mids are that would be available in this part of the 2023 draft ?

Wouldn't say we are certain at all

The difference between 6-10 and 10-18 isn't that substantial if we are trading up it would be to get to the top 5 where you have the real cream players

 

[grassman75]

Only the naive ones. The clever members of this board realised that if Brisbane were willing to trade a contracted, former pick 2 KPF for such little return, something was clearly wrong with the lad. Grant should have known better.

Wasn't he homesick

 

[grassman75]

I think Gresham for cap space is worth a shot is a match winning small forward would have a massive influence in our forward line can play midfield I know he's been inconsistent lately but I think a forward line of 3 ligit talls and 3 ligit pressure smalls would be great arty has made a huge difference lately

But he has StKilda germs

 

[LittleG]

This doesn’t exactly answer your question but …

… Someone here - maybe LittleG? - said they’d be more than happy to have three first rounders in the 10-18 range because there were so many good options after the top 2-3 picks. Hence try to trade our lower picks to get an extra late first.

I think the implication was there’s not much between about pick 6 and pick 16 so why not go for as many hits as we can get?

It was me.
The quality gap between 6-10 and 11-20 isn’t that much. I am not sure I would rather pick 8 OR picks 19&20. That is about even. Any more than that is just overpaying on the % likelihood of the draftee to succeed.

Bailey smith draft where there was a top 8, then yes I would trade 19&20 for that pick that year. Not many other drafts would you make that trade.

 

[Generation West]

It was me.
The quality gap between 6-10 and 11-20 isn’t that much. I am not sure I would rather pick 8 OR picks 19&20. That is about even. Any more than that is just overpaying on the % likelihood of the draftee to succeed.

Bailey smith draft where there was a top 8, then yes I would trade 19&20 for that pick that year. Not many other drafts would you make that trade.

No worries.
That is good to know, though I’m sure the top 10 - 15 will begin to formulate once we get into the championships and the business end of the NAB league season.

Would you say it’s as simple as going with the 2 picks in the mid teens on the best midfield talent and another outside runner or small forward with our second rounder (mid 30s) and taking Jordan Croft as a FS with remaining points?

 

[LittleG]

No worries.
That is good to know, though I’m sure the top 10 - 15 will begin to formulate once we get into the championships and the business end of the NAB league season.

Would you say it’s as simple as going with the 2 picks in the mid teens on the best midfield talent and another outside runner or small forward with our second rounder (mid 30s) and taking Jordan Croft as a FS with remaining points?

2 mids.

Then Lual will take our second round pick which belongs to the Lions. That pick should be Lual If it’s inside 40, at this stage he is in that 30’s range.

Then Croft will take the remaining points.

Pass on final picks unless we see a good option there.

 

[_Cerberus_]

2 mids.

Then Lual will take our second round pick which belongs to the Lions. That pick should be Lual If it’s inside 40, at this stage he is in that 30’s range.

Then Croft will take the remaining points.

Pass on final picks unless we see a good option there.

Remember, Lual is NGA and cannot be matched on for bids inside the top 40. That second round pick will be free to use unless Croft gets bid on before then.

 

[Mofra]

The way things are looking, we are likely to have our two x first round draft selections in the mid to late teens, plus some second round options.

We are almost certain to bundle those two selections to work our way into the top 6 - 10 range.

Our depth in key position areas looks well covered and a likely Jordan Croft FS selection adds even more strength to this part of our list profile.

If we did trade into the top 10, can any draft watchers identify who the best mids are that would be available in this part of the 2023 draft ?

Harley Reid excluded of course.
'Best' is looking increasingly like Colby McKercher as a pure mid, Tassie kid which might put a club off.
Tholstrup has divided opinion but I expect he rises late, ditto Moir who is overcoming an injury. Both are forward/mids who probably become CBA mids in time.
Wilson as a wing is probably shaping as a later top 10 pick and he'd suit us perfectly.

Nick Watson (at 170cm) could be anything, has carved it up as a small forward or rebounding defender but can play anywhere really. Is top 2 on talent.

Honestly, I'd rather we don't screw around with our picks too much and just take them to draft.

 

[Generation West]

2 mids.

Then Lual will take our second round pick which belongs to the Lions. That pick should be Lual If it’s inside 40, at this stage he is in that 30’s range.

Then Croft will take the remaining points.

Pass on final picks unless we see a good option there.

Thanks. Sounds good. Time is right to get some high end genuine mids into the squad.

 

[Generation West]

Harley Reid excluded of course.
'Best' is looking increasingly like Colby McKercher as a pure mid, Tassie kid which might put a club off.
Tholstrup has divided opinion but I expect he rises late, ditto Moir who is overcoming an injury. Both are forward/mids who probably become CBA mids in time.
Wilson as a wing is probably shaping as a later top 10 pick and he'd suit us perfectly.

Nick Watson (at 170cm) could be anything, has carved it up as a small forward or rebounding defender but can play anywhere really. Is top 2 on talent.

Honestly, I'd rather we don't screw around with our picks too much and just take them to draft.

Agree with your last sentence.

 

[LittleG]

Remember, Lual is NGA and cannot be matched on for bids inside the top 40. That second round pick will be free to use unless Croft gets bid on before then.

Lual won’t last to pick 40, our second round pick (Lions slot) is going to be about pick ~35, and that is about his value. He might not even make our pick…. Currently IF there, I would draft him but then I am not a big gambler with players I like.
I expect IF we don’t draft Lual, Dees, Cats or North or however is from Victoria in that draft area just after us will take him before we can match.