Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 6 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[El Rancho]

So Dixon who can barely move can manage to ruck with out issues but Naughton will? JVR who is younger smaller and almost now more important to his team can manage to ruck without issues but now? Naughton already takes a couple of forward RC hence adding a few more isn't that big of an issue.

If you are worried about him getting injured are you telling him to stop flying for marks how he does?

You have completely missed the point are are now miss-representing my words.
I never said Naughton wouldn't be able to handle the ruck. I as how you think in any way that Dixon is like Naughton?

I also said that naughton getting injured in a front on contest like what happens at a centre bounce is what I would be worried about. In a marking contest where people are generally moving in a similar direction, or at a boundary throw in when ruckman don't jump into each other is far less likely to cause injury.

In what world would anyone think that someone jumping front on into you is the same as a marking contest or a boundary throw in?

Again, and this is the third time I'm asking, why are you happy to risk Naughton in a centre bounce contest?
I'm yet to see a response

 

[yebach]

Well unless he was playing as a midfielder for the Sydney game hard to explain his CBAs any other way

Sorry. Missed the Sydney game.

 

[Foxman98]

You have completely missed the point are are now miss-representing my words.
I never said Naughton wouldn't be able to handle the ruck. I as how you think in any way that Dixon is like Naughton?

I also said that naughton getting injured in a front on contest like what happens at a centre bounce is what I would be worried about. In a marking contest where people are generally moving in a similar direction, or at a boundary throw in when ruckman don't jump into each other is far less likely to cause injury.

In what world would anyone think that someone jumping front on into you is the same as a marking contest or a boundary throw in?

Again, and this is the third time I'm asking, why are you happy to risk Naughton in a centre bounce contest?
I'm yet to see a response

What is the risk? it isn't 1990 anymore ruckmen aren't getting injured in centre bounces every week in fact they're very rare nowadays,

He is playing football there is a risk with anything he does

 

[lachy]

The Pies preferred tall setup was Mihocek, McStay, Cox and Cameron. The same as Naughton, Jamarra, Lobb and English.

Yes in 9 of 26 games

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[Libbaaaa]

Daniher, Dixon etc... don't take run ups and jump knee first when they are in the ruck, they usually do more of a basketball jump-ball and just create a contest.

 

[lachy]

Cox and Cameron rotated far more through the bench then they did the forward line

Also for 35% of games played

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[adogsfan5]

I am accepting it,

Just yet to see a decent rebuttal for why he can't

Keep in mind JVR end of year was significantly more once they stopped playing Grundy

The thing I like about Lobb is that he can play more minutes in the ruck if needed. It’s not as if him in there is a stop gap or an issue for us for 5-10 minutes. It would also allow Tim to play forward for some minutes if need be too. And he is a decent forward.
That Geelong game was a good example.

 

[MaxiBont]

Can someone just nominate us already ffs.

 

[El Rancho]

What is the risk? it isn't 1990 anymore ruckmen aren't getting injured in centre bounces every week in fact they're very rare nowadays,

He is playing football there is a risk with anything he does

They injuries may be less frequent but when they occur, they can be more serious. I have worked in the injury space with athletes for the best part of the last 15years and treating these athletes. These injuries are never good.

Not sure how many games you watch on a weekend, but there is a tactic becoming common place where one ruckman sticks a knee up/out to protect space and other ruckman not seeing this are running into it. This happened quite a few time this year and several players ended up with hurt ribs.

Also Posterior cruciate ligament injuries are prevalent in ruckman. See below for evidence.

‘We’re all sick of it’: AFL world at odds over contentious ‘10-year debate’

‘We’re all sick of it’: AFL world at odds over contentious ‘10-year debate’

www.foxsports.com.au

Not sure we want to put Naughton through this. I have no problem him playing ruck in the fwd line, but at centre bounces........hell no

 

[Foxman98]

They injuries may be less frequent but when they occur, they can be more serious. I have worked in the injury space with athletes for the best part of the last 15years and treating these athletes. These injuries are never good.

Not sure how many games you watch on a weekend, but there is a tactic becoming common place where one ruckman sticks a knee up/out to protect space and other ruckman not seeing this are running into it. This happened quite a few time this year and several players ended up with hurt ribs.

Also Posterior cruciate ligament injuries are prevalent in ruckman. See below for evidence.

‘We’re all sick of it’: AFL world at odds over contentious ‘10-year debate’

‘We’re all sick of it’: AFL world at odds over contentious ‘10-year debate’

www.foxsports.com.au

Not sure we want to put Naughton through this. I have no problem him playing ruck in the fwd line, but at centre bounces........hell no

So 2 players in the last how many years?

 

[charcoalchicken]

Watch Geelong turn TOB into Tom Stewart mrk 2 and we’ll feed him the ball all day when we meet in 2024

Highly doubtful TOB is a potato

 

[TedDougChris]

Can someone just nominate us already ffs.

Robbie McComb !! Happy now ???

 

[Lore]

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[TedDougChris]

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[lachy]

If Lobb is going there would have to be a very good reason not to match a Croft bid from 10 onwards.

Darcy and JUH still developing, Naughton and English not committed past next season, Jones coming towards the end and Keath and Gards back ups at best

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[El Rancho]

So 2 players in the last how many years

I just gave you one example, there are plenty of others. The fact that you are not willing to understand someone else's point of view is perplexing.

Did you even read the article? There are players and doctors calling for changes.

If you genuinely believe that only 2 ruckman in the last however many years have been injured in ruck contests then you are completely misguided and have no understanding of what is happening.

I'm done talking about this with someone who clearly has no intent of looking at the facts and provides no rationale for why they are are willing to risk Naughton to this type of injury regardless of how low the chances are.

 

[Lore]

Hi Lore !!!

Hey Skip!

 

[TiAn_]

Yes the last round was the big outlier though before that he was only averaging around 19 a game Naughts is already at 4 a game now 15 isn't a huge difference when you consider English is still taking almost 80 a game still

Those 4 per game are in our forward line, mostly throw ins and the odd ball up. It’s a total change in his role.

Yes in 9 of 26 games

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Ugh. Yes, McStay missed 12 games through injury. Whenever one of their preferred four was out they brought in another tall in Frampton, or Johnson. And please don’t even try and tell me Johnson isn’t a tall because he’s listed at only 193cm or some other such nonsense. He played as a tall forward and rucked.

Collingwood ran with four tall forwards/rucks as their preferred setup all year. It’s the structure they took into each of their finals.

 

[Dog 36]

I just gave you one example, there are plenty of others. The fact that you are not willing to understand someone else's point of view is perplexing.

Did you even read the article? There are players and doctors calling for changes.

If you genuinely believe that only 2 ruckman in the last however many years have been injured in ruck contests then you are completely misguided and have no understanding of what is happening.

I'm done talking about this with someone who clearly has no intent of looking at the facts and provides no rationale for why they are are willing to risk Naughton to this type of injury regardless of how low the chances are.

Putting the risk of injury aside Naughton should not ruck for the simple reason he is not good at it IMO.

He should solely concentrate on been a forward and work on his craft there.

 

[El Rancho]

Putting the risk of injury aside Naughton should not ruck for the simple reason he is not good at it IMO.

He should solely concentrate on been a forward and work on his craft there.

Amen to that!!!! Could also work on his kicking routine

 

[TedDougChris]

Amen to that!!!! Could also work on his kicking routine

That’s another factor - do we want to take time away from Naughton learning and refining his goal kicking and forward craft, so he can be a stop gap ruck - when we already have a guy that can do that ???

Lobb out - for whatever reason - is not the way to improve our side IMO !!

 

[Dog 36]

Amen to that!!!! Could also work on his kicking routine

Agree

When I say work on his forward craft this would encompass working on his kicking.

 

[TedDougChris]

Hey Skip!

Hope all is well out your way !!!

 

[lachy]

Those 4 per game are in our forward line, mostly throw ins and the odd ball up. It’s a total change in his role.



Ugh. Yes, McStay missed 12 games through injury. Whenever one of their preferred four was out they brought in another tall in Frampton, or Johnson. And please don’t even try and tell me Johnson isn’t a tall because he’s listed at only 193cm or some other such nonsense. He played as a tall forward and rucked.

Collingwood ran with four tall forwards/rucks as their preferred setup all year. It’s the structure they took into each of their finals.

But here is where you are wrong, their 2 rucks rarely played forward.

Evidence Grand Final, Cameron 59% Game time Cox 67 % game time. At best a quarter of the game. They rotate off the bench.

Mihochec you can call a tall as much as you like, same height as Bont. He is a mobile medium, something we lack unless Bont goes forward

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[Lore]

Hope all is well out your way !!!

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