Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 6 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Dale4captain]

Is this from what you’ve heard or just gut feel?

I feel like a 4yr deal makes sense for all parties too but at the same time would be happy to just have him locked in at the club for life. To put it simply I can’t see there being a time in the next 10 years where we’re not happy to have him on the list, and I think it’s a bit different for your key forwards than mids & rucks etc where the game can move quickly. Having both Naughty and Marra locked in for the next good part of a decade just leaves us in such a good position to not have to worry about that part of the ground - they both play a brand of game that isn’t exactly going to fall out of style

Just gut feel mate. Agree with your post, too.

 

[VitalDread]

That would be amazing - and Buss?

I think keeping everyone is going to be a very fine line.

Dogs will start talks mid year I believe

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I still personally think we signed Naughton to way too long a contract. He is yet to kick 70 goals, and not many players still play well deep in their 30s. Hope it is front loaded, so we are not tied down should he lose form at the back end. No team will likely take on a big contract for a player 30 and out of form, and a delisting means we will still have to pay it out. But add another two players to that. Makes navigating the cap and list management harder. Especially when Darcy and Sanders are still to show their max potential.

Which is why I hope we are not offering anyone else 10 year deals. I don't care if we give them big bucks, they deserve it. Just worried about the long term implications of the list should we have multiple players on massive long term deals. Don't want to return to the days stuck at the bottom of the ladder for ages because we can't keep a balanced list together. Geelong is a good example of managing a cap and list well.

That being said, I am over the media and their "this team needs a forward, and this one is out of contract, lets put the two and two together" lazy journalism. Sometimes it feels they are deliberately trying to create unrest, in the hope the team that they support can land the said player.

I'm confident Jamarra will sign on with us.

Naughton’s one of our marquee players though. Apart from his football ability, there’s the smile, the personality, the hair and the hairband. Instantly recognisable and adored by kids. You want to keep someone like that as long as possible.

 

[BulldogMuscle]

Not worried in the slightest about JUH after speaking with a player agent today.

Let the media beat their drums, and let other clubs make offers, it's all hyperbole to drive up contracts.

 

[Smiley Boy]

My gut feeling is English & Baz are gone but JUH will stay

West Coast offer for Tim will be massive so hopefully we can work something out and trade with them by matching like GWS did with Jeremy Cameron

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[BulldogMuscle]

My gut feeling is English & Baz are gone but JUH will stay

West Coast offer for Tim will be massive so hopefully we can work something out and trade with them by matching like GWS did with Jeremy Cameron

I still don't get this ''English to WCE'' talk.

They just re-signed their own ruck
English just bought a house in Vic last year
His partner has finally moved from WA to Vic
He lived in Vic most of his life bar a few WA years
It's not a list need for them

Why would he be going to WCE short of some insane godfather offer? Doesn't even seem like WCE fans want him.

 

[Smiley Boy]

I still don't get this ''English to WCE'' talk.

They just re-signed their own ruck
English just bought a house in Vic last year
His partner has finally moved from WA to Vic
He lived in Vic most of his life bar a few WA years
It's not a list need for them

Why would he be going to WCE short of some insane godfather offer? Doesn't even seem like WCE fans want him.

CASH IS KING

Also his GF is on what 50-60k a year? It's not a factor at all when we're talking the money WC are offering English

 

[BulldogMuscle]

CASH IS KING

Also his GF is on what 50-60k a year? It's not a factor at all when we're talking the money WC are offering English

My money and insight is that we'll be keeping JUH and English and losing Baz.

I just want the club to priorities JUH now so the media can seriously shut the **** up about it.

 

[adogsfan5]

Non Doggies related but Cal Twomey said the Hawks offered Todd Marshall $900k p.a. over 6 years and he said no. Yikes.

People forget about loyalty a lot of the time.

 

[adogsfan5]

10+ years

Well played to his manager going to the media.

 

[Doggies7]

My gut feeling is English & Baz are gone but JUH will stay

West Coast offer for Tim will be massive so hopefully we can work something out and trade with them by matching like GWS did with Jeremy Cameron

Duggan and a pick

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I still don't get this ''English to WCE'' talk.

They just re-signed their own ruck
English just bought a house in Vic last year
His partner has finally moved from WA to Vic
He lived in Vic most of his life bar a few WA years
It's not a list need for them

Why would he be going to WCE short of some insane godfather offer? Doesn't even seem like WCE fans want him.

Because the talk origined from when before those facts established themselves, and didn't update with the times.

You may also be getting him confused with Naughton who was drafted out of WA but who was originally from Vic and moved with his parents as a teenager. English is WA born and bred.

 

[BLACAE]

Not worried in the slightest about JUH after speaking with a player agent today.

Let the media beat their drums, and let other clubs make offers, it's all hyperbole to drive up contracts.

Hope you're right. Fingers crossed.

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[BrisDog]

Naughton’s one of our marquee players though. Apart from his football ability, there’s the smile, the personality, the hair and the hairband. Instantly recognisable and adored by kids. You want to keep someone like that as long as possible.

Add the tackling and manic pressure once the ball hits the ground - 2 players in one magnificent torso. I wouldn’t rate his output purely with goals kicked per year.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Tom Boyd was happy to get a huge offer from us but he wanted out of GWS.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

When discussing the media a number of us make misjudged comments like "lazy journalism" (I've probably been guilty of that) when in fact most of these self-appointed experts have been nowhere near a tertiary course in journalism. Or done a proper internship. They aren't a journos' vomit-stained bootlace.

I can't speak to their tertiary qualifications but I suspect that aside from the odd nepo baby like Tom Browne who used his fathers connections in the game to have a bit of a lark away from his profession as a lawyer. That most of the bread and butter reporters have some kind of formal study in the field of journalism.

They are mostly self-obsessed vacuous types who are trading on the fact that they once played for an AFL side. Or else were too scrawny or the wrong gender to play serious footy as a kid but have insinuated themselves into the company of their sporting heroes by honing their ability to be controversial and confrontational while gravely pretending to be knowledgeable about the subject matter. Their media masters and we consumers are part of the problem because they encourage and reward this behaviour. Clicks, ratings and advertising are what's driving the race to the bottom.

The game has never been well covered when it comes to analysis of the what happens on and off the field. It matters not if it's a dumb as a rock ex player (hello Jono Brown) who has managed to parlay their personality and connections into a career commenting on the game. When in fact they bring zero insight and have no business being in the media at all. Or if they are a fresh faced junior journo looking to carve out a profile for themselves before they are spat out or their dubious social media past surfaces to sink their career. Until of course their friends in the industry decide it's time for the redemption story to come full circle and they are welcomed back into the fold.

This was a problem long before social media (anyone remember Lou Richards, Jack Dyer and Bob Davis?) but there's no doubt that social media has accelerated the decline.

These guys were a little before my time. However they existed in a closed eco-system when there was three? newspapers, ghost writers and one single television station covering the game. What passed for analysis of the game was an hour ? of highlights on Saturday night and whatever World of Sport was on a Sunday morning. They existed in a media environment that is as far removed from today's as Earth is from Proxima Centauri.

 

[Mofra]

Duggan and a pick

Duggan is an RFA. We can just pay up for him, Eagles get a nice compo pick, and we just get more for a Timmy trade IF we can match

 

[Doggies7]

Duggan is an RFA. We can just pay up for him, Eagles get a nice compo pick, and we just get more for a Timmy trade IF we can match

Ah yep that's right...

 

[flipper83]

Duggan and a pick

I've mentioned it previously but it's an opportunity for us to try to manipulate the free agency compensation like so many other clubs have done.

Let's say we intend to give Duggan 3 million over 5 years. We make the offer 2 million over 2 and suddenly West Coast gets a free pick immediately after their first (lets say pick 2)

Now they don't want to sign English as a free agent because they would lose that pick so we agree to trade English plus a late first rounder for pick 2.

Eagles get a free late first rounder and we get compensation far better than what the AFL would give us for losing a free agent.

After a year we extend Duggan for a million over a further 3 years.

Everyone wins!

 

[Golden_6]

I've mentioned it previously but it's an opportunity for us to try to manipulate the free agency compensation like so many other clubs have done.

Let's say we intend to give Duggan 3 million over 5 years. We make the offer 2 million over 2 and suddenly West Coast gets a free pick immediately after their first (lets say pick 2)

Now they don't want to sign English as a free agent because they would lose that pick so we agree to trade English plus a late first rounder for pick 2.

Eagles get a free late first rounder and we get compensation far better than what the AFL would give us for losing a free agent.

After a year we extend Duggan for a million over a further 3 years.

Everyone wins!

That will never happen. The AFL and its magic formula would never allow for Liam Duggan to return pick 2. It would just never happen.

 

[Mofra]

That will never happen. The AFL and its magic formula would never allow for Liam Duggan to return pick 2. It would just never happen.

#VICBIAS

 

[doggies ftw]

That will never happen. The AFL and its magic formula would never allow for Liam Duggan to return pick 2. It would just never happen.

Absolutely they would, it’s like giving out a priority pick to the biggest club in the land, that probably need one, without the backlash of giving out a priority pick. See McKay, Frawley etc

AFL would be chomping at the bit for it to happen like that

 

[manutd/dogs]

Not worried in the slightest about JUH after speaking with a player agent today.

Let the media beat their drums, and let other clubs make offers, it's all hyperbole to drive up contracts.

What did you hear? Anything new?

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Yeah and the Daniher "renegotiating" his contract after Essendon got a top 10 pick as compensation after the Dons "convinced" him to stick around for another year and not push harder for the trade to Sydney the year before. All above board.

 

[BulldogMuscle]

What did you hear? Anything new?

Nothing new, just the dogs have the cap to sign him and he genuinely seems happy with us. He reckons from his knowledge of situations like this is that the deal in principle (length, money) is already agreed upon now it’s the nitty gritty being sorted out. All the media noise is his manager trying to drum up a better deal / vultures doing their typical thing.