Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 6 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Woof]

So I made my post moments before seeing multiple people making the same point. Carry on.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Exactly. So weird to see bulldogs fans annoyed at having quality tall depth. It can’t be under estimated that it improves our bargaining position with English too. We don’t need to sell the farm to keep him like we would have if we had Darcy and….??? as next in line. I’d have preferred one year less on his agreement but I am confident his place on our list will be vindicated over time even if he doesn’t place in the Coleman.

I get the counter-balance argument though. It is fair to say that it's not a perfect allocation of the salary cap to be paying so much to a player playing in your reserves, even if it's only for a few games. For all the handwringing about English' contract, for example, and ignoring the fact that people will call this "overpaid", if we could take the $1 million that Lobb is being paid this year and next, get a minimum contract guy in, and then pay the difference to English's next contract to guarantee he stays, we would do that in a heartbeat.

That being said, it's not unusual for a highly paid player to be in the reserves. Even Macrae is paid more than Lobb. But it shows the perspective - people are not talking about Macrae's in the reserves specficially about his contract anywhere near as much as Lobb, it's just that Lobb was recruited from another club.

 

[Foxman98]

i know we have Tim. JUH and Bailey to sort out. I also would be getting a 3 year deal offer to Buku before other clubs come sniffing around. I can see him being a very good as a 3rd tall/medium interceptor when JOD comes into the team. He is a one grab mark with a very good vertical leap and will keep improving with more games.

He played a good game on the weekend sure but 3 years is wild for what he has produced

 

[lachy]

i know we have Tim. JUH and Bailey to sort out. I also would be getting a 3 year deal offer to Buku before other clubs come sniffing around. I can see him being a very good as a 3rd tall/medium interceptor when JOD comes into the team. He is a one grab mark with a very good vertical leap and will keep improving with more games.

So on the back of 1 really good game in a row we are signing him for 3 years?

 

[Dog 36]

So on the back of 1 really good game in a row we are signing him for 3 years?

Don’t think the poster is basing it on the one game. I think the basis is more on the attributes he brings and will be a better player when JOD or a similar type comes in and Buku can play that 3rd tall

Stand to be corrected by OD

 

[Charlie Bucket]

If Buku didn’t leave the club this off season just gone, I don’t think we need to rush in to a contract extension just yet.

 

[Scotch N Coke Monatore]

So on the back of 1 really good game in a row we are signing him for 3 years?

Come on, if you include his VFL games, it's more than one in a row.

 

[F6Typhoon]

Re: Bailey at F1…. Good on him!
Was a damn inconsiderate fixture move having Doggies game on same day as GP!
Nearly missed the F1 start, watching Ballarat game!
Seriously.. It’s THE biggest Australian motorsport event of the year!
Next the dunderheads at AFL will have a match on the first Tuesday in November!

 

[TiAn_]

Some unrestricted FAs that could be of interest to us:

Isaac Cumming

13

Isaac Cumming

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

MG

158.0

2star

D

9.5

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.5

3star

MG

158.0

3star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.6

4star

Liam Duggan

14

Liam Duggan

Age

28

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

5.3

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

283.7

4star

D

16.0

4star

K

12.0

5star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.7

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

283.7

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.2

3star

Oliver Florent

13

Oliver Florent

Age

26

Ht

184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.7

4star

K

9.9

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

MG

350.0

5star

D

18.3

4star

K

11.7

5star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.1

3star

MG

350.0

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.2

4star

Elliot Himmelberg
Harry Perryman

36

Harry Perryman

Age

26

Ht

187cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.8

4star

MG

216.2

3star

D

18.5

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

7.9

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

2star

MG

301.3

4star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

MG

83.2

2star

Lewis Melican

43

Lewis Melican

Age

28

Ht

194cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

5.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.0

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.0

3star

MG

48.0

1star

D

5.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.0

2star

MG

48.0

1star

D

5.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.0

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.0

3star

MG

48.0

1star

James Borlase
Darcy MacPherson

44

Darcy Macpherson

Age

27

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.1

4star

K

9.3

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.9

5star

MG

187.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

6.3

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.5

3star

MG

137.3

2star

D

11.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

4.8

5star

MG

113.6

2star

Tom Campbell

38

Tom Campbell

Age

33

Ht

201cm

Wt

108kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.1

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

1.6

4star

HO

17.0

5star

D

5.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.0

1star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

2.0

5star

D

7.2

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

3.0

3star

CL

1.2

4star

HO

13.2

5star

 

[Doggies7]

Some unrestricted FAs that could be of interest to us:

Isaac Cumming
Liam Duggan
Oliver Florent
Elliot Himmelberg
Harry Perryman
Lewis Melican
James Borlase
Darcy MacPherson
Tom Campbell

Duggan

Like both Perryman and Cumming but imagine to leave that GWS setup currently you'd probably have to overpay a fair bit, so probably not worth it. Borlase has shown some pretty decent signs hasn't he? Think he is just on their rookie list after being de-listed last off-season, but would like to bring in some young KPD depth like him to develop instead of needing to rely on Gardner / Keath going forward.

 

[Libbaaaa]

UFA for Duggan means he can just sign with anyone yeah? Always get confused with these silly AFL rules.

 

[doggiesin08]

Nup. Lobb will be done in a couple of years leaving us with Darcy and Smith.

Need to capitalise on us having one of the best rucks in the comp and another who’s likely to become the best.

Unless English wants out, I wouldn’t trade him.

I think Jordan Croft (201cm if you believe our website), or even Mitchell Croft (taller against) once he’s done with volleyball, eventually becomes the KF/2nd ruck once English is done/gone and Darcy is the main man.

 

[Mojorisin]

I think Jordan Croft (201cm if you believe our website), or even Mitchell Croft (taller against) once he’s done with volleyball, eventually becomes the KF/2nd ruck once English is done/gone and Darcy is the main man.

We should get our first look at Croft this week

 

[Libbaaaa]

Duggan

Like both Perryman and Cumming but imagine to leave that GWS setup currently you'd probably have to overpay a fair bit, so probably not worth it. Borlase has shown some pretty decent signs hasn't he? Think he is just on their rookie list after being de-listed last off-season, but would like to bring in some young KPD depth like him to develop instead of needing to rely on Gardner / Keath going forward.

Perryman is a good utility while Cumming is completely out of favour at GWS even when fit. Duggan is the one, especially as a UFA.

 

[doggies ftw]

Perryman is a good utility while Cumming is completely out of favour at GWS even when fit. Duggan is the one, especially as a UFA.

Perryman looked pretty handy on a wing a little while back, feel like he’s fallen out of favour a bit too though and haven’t seen much of him recently

 

[Northern Dogs]

Florent is also an UFA. Would be a handy Duryea replacement.

 

[BIG_BONTS]

Availability of Darcy last few years: 10%
Availability of Lobb last few years: 100%

 

[Mojorisin]

Have been told the dogs have shown interest in Perryman and Noble recently however the manager of both have said they're currently happy where they are.

 

[dogwatch]

We should get our first look at Croft this week

In defence?

 

[weltschmerz]

Have been told the dogs have shown interest in Perryman and Noble recently however the manager of both have said they're currently happy where they are.

You'd think Noble would be less satisfied the more time he spends in the VFL.

 

[dogwatch]

Who have we got in the KPD pipeline? Croft?

Liam Jones

19

Liam Jones

Age

33

Ht

199cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.4

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

134.5

2star

D

7.6

2star

K

6.1

3star

HB

1.4

1star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.4

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

9.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

might only be good for another year. Keath is near the end, Buss is possibly only an interceptor or third tall like Khamis ( who isn’t even tall). Gardner is looking like a break-glass option only.

I think it remains a priority for next off season. Especially a big bodied type.

 

[Mojorisin]

In defence?

At VFL level. I think the plan is to only play a half, potentially split forward/back.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Who have we got in the KPD pipeline? Croft?

Liam Jones might only be good for another year. Keath is near the end, Buss is possibly only an interceptor or third tall like Khamis ( who isn’t even tall). Gardner is looking like a break-glass option only.

I think it remains a priority for next off season. Especially a big bodied type.

We haven't had anyone in the "pipeline" for years. Trengove, Keath and Jones were all recruited from other clubs. Gardner a mature ager. O'Donnell was already 21 and playing games when he was signed. Bruce was converted there after his ACL. Tim O'Brien another free agent. I don't think the club really thinks of it as a priority to try and "develop" key defenders for tomorrow when pretty much in the entire Bevo era whatever key defenders we have on our list at any given point in time came onto our list in ways other than just being an ordinary 18-year-old draftee.

 

[doggies ftw]

The emergence of Bramble makes me less inclined to look at the likes of Noble, Duggan etc but early days still so see how Brambles form holds up

 

[Mojorisin]

The emergence of Bramble makes me less inclined to look at the likes of Noble, Duggan etc but early days still so see how Brambles form holds up

I'd still prefer to have someone that can genuinely lockdown.