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So we now have two spots available for MSD? Is that correct?

Small forwards of Weightman, West and Garcia is pretty good. García is getting better every game and brings speed and tackling, West creative and aggressive and Weightman flashy but high skill.

Sure two makeshift forwards but Dickson, Picken and C.Smith were also.

And Clarke coming through is looking on the right trajectory. Wouldn’t be highest priority unless a clear high potential player is there. Now that that have two I am not against rolling the dice but some like Spicer isn’t killing VFL after a few year so where is the thing that would make him AFL ready?

For example some good VFL players can become great AFL players if they just get body maturity: Morris, Boyd etc became physically imposing and that was what they needed - is there someone like this?

Arty has slipped and already looks behind Clarke which is a shame - would be worth trying at HBF. JJ is getting on and others don’t have the speed to be the breakout runner. Gallagher was brought in for this reason but is now in the midfield. So a gap for him or we could look to MSD.

Wing is where we have real quality problems - Gallagher is going there but is also rolling inside - if Smith comes back then likely he is pushed to wing. Williams is regular 22 but more because he can roll back to defence. With Red showing great potential in the midfield - we may do this more often. Bedendo doesn’t appear to be getting closer to games.

So wing is a hole and becomes more of a hole. But we have used the second tier drafts to get recycled players who are ok but don’t have one established player. Do we keep trying this? And end up with three players on list that can’t get regular games? High speed high endurance wingers are in demand from everyone so just not sure they are easy to get. More a national draft target. Maybe?

Midfield is looking pretty good for a few years - assuming we re/sign Smith but this is where injuries are and where we are playing more VFL players.

Current:

Bont, Trelor, Libba, Macrae, Daniel, Harmes (and good rotations from all theee small forwards)

Next:

Smith, Gallagher (playing in front of Daniel atm), Sanders.

It is hard to find a midfielder who will genuinely get games otherwise we would have picked Sullivan years ago. Also really need quality against very good player.

Wouldn’t go for a midfielder would rather pick a list weakness and have a free hit at plugging it. And best result is if they have some high potential attribute - particularly a natural trait like competitiveness, calm under pressure, goal sense or great kick - if they were well rounded they would either be drafted or average in everything.

But seems like where these fail is often on skills - I wouldn’t call Baker:poulter fails they have physical strengths but lack skills. So skills weaknesses would be a read flag.

I believe MSD can be valuable to plug holes needed because of injury or emerging so when we look at VFL and where we are doing things we don’t want to so unless their is a breakout player missed in the draft in the roles above I would go for:

1. Ruck where we have played Gardner cause we had (needs ro be ready at Fullback). Not sure who is best available?

2. KPF: We have also played Croft forward when we don’t to develop him as a KPD because we had to. So the blond tall forward from Box Hill would be my pick.
 
So we now have two spots available for MSD? Is that correct?

Small forwards of Weightman, West and Garcia is pretty good. García is getting better every game and brings speed and tackling, West creative and aggressive and Weightman flashy but high skill.

Sure two makeshift forwards but Dickson, Picken and C.Smith were also.

And Clarke coming through is looking on the right trajectory. Wouldn’t be highest priority unless a clear high potential player is there. Now that that have two I am not against rolling the dice but some like Spicer isn’t killing VFL after a few year so where is the thing that would make him AFL ready?

For example some good VFL players can become great AFL players if they just get body maturity: Morris, Boyd etc became physically imposing and that was what they needed - is there someone like this?

Arty has slipped and already looks behind Clarke which is a shame - would be worth trying at HBF. JJ is getting on and others don’t have the speed to be the breakout runner. Gallagher was brought in for this reason but is now in the midfield. So a gap for him or we could look to MSD.

Wing is where we have real quality problems - Gallagher is going there but is also rolling inside - if Smith comes back then likely he is pushed to wing. Williams is regular 22 but more because he can roll back to defence. With Red showing great potential in the midfield - we may do this more often. Bedendo doesn’t appear to be getting closer to games.

So wing is a hole and becomes more of a hole. But we have used the second tier drafts to get recycled players who are ok but don’t have one established player. Do we keep trying this? And end up with three players on list that can’t get regular games? High speed high endurance wingers are in demand from everyone so just not sure they are easy to get. More a national draft target. Maybe?

Midfield is looking pretty good for a few years - assuming we re/sign Smith but this is where injuries are and where we are playing more VFL players.

Current:

Bont, Trelor, Libba, Macrae, Daniel, Harmes (and good rotations from all theee small forwards)

Next:

Smith, Gallagher (playing in front of Daniel atm), Sanders.

It is hard to find a midfielder who will genuinely get games otherwise we would have picked Sullivan years ago. Also really need quality against very good player.

Wouldn’t go for a midfielder would rather pick a list weakness and have a free hit at plugging it. And best result is if they have some high potential attribute - particularly a natural trait like competitiveness, calm under pressure, goal sense or great kick - if they were well rounded they would either be drafted or average in everything.

But seems like where these fail is often on skills - I wouldn’t call Baker:poulter fails they have physical strengths but lack skills. So skills weaknesses would be a read flag.

I believe MSD can be valuable to plug holes needed because of injury or emerging so when we look at VFL and where we are doing things we don’t want to so unless their is a breakout player missed in the draft in the roles above I would go for:

1. Ruck where we have played Gardner cause we had (needs ro be ready at Fullback). Not sure who is best available?

2. KPF: We have also played Croft forward when we don’t to develop him as a KPD because we had to. So the blond tall forward from Box Hill would be my pick.
We have one spot.
 

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One with O’Driscoll. It was never stated that Bailey Smith was put on the LTI list.
They will leave it until closer to the deadline before declaring Smith will deffinetly miss the year.
I believe we will end up taking two spots into the draft but depending on who goes before our picks we may only use one or none. There is no obligation to make a selection.
 
Will Elliott 202cm forward / ruck intrigues me. He was oakleigh co-captain in his draft year. Apparently really competitive, seemed to have a lot of raw talent.

I wonder if we go for more of an impact now or longer term player.

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Will Elliott 202cm forward / ruck intrigues me. He was oakleigh co-captain in his draft year. Apparently really competitive, seemed to have a lot of raw talent.

I wonder if we go for more of an impact now or longer term player.

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I expect North Will have a good look at him, not exactly what we need but is a very high upside pick and could be better then what is left.
 
I expect North Will have a good look at him, not exactly what we need but is a very high upside pick and could be better then what is left.

Could he have scope as a defender? Then might be more possible for us. But great to have tall backup on the list. We have been fortunate not to have many injuries this year to key talls.


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Could he have scope as a defender? Then might be more possible for us. But great to have tall backup on the list. We have been fortunate not to have many injuries this year to key talls.


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With the way he marks the ball it'd be possible, I don't think he has spent any meaningful time there but others may know better.

Potentially English management waiting for a late offer elsewhere? They’d hope for ongoing improvement in form to be getting offers in the ballpark that he’d no doubt be asking for.


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His management are looking for offers over 1.2mil and a length of 6 year.
Currently no one coming forward with the dogs offering 5 more years at his current wage (around 900k)
 
Will Elliott 202cm forward / ruck intrigues me. He was oakleigh co-captain in his draft year. Apparently really competitive, seemed to have a lot of raw talent.

I wonder if we go for more of an impact now or longer term player.

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I wonder if we will go with players that we had interest in the last draft that are playing well at the beginning of this year. So like McArthur for example. He can join Astro in the headband wearing crew.
 

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I wonder if we will go with players that we had interest in the last draft that are playing well at the beginning of this year. So like McArthur for example. He can join Astro in the headband wearing crew.
Do you think it'd be possible for McArthur to build his endurance up enough to play on a wing? With his other strengths I feel that'd suit his game best and allow him to influence games more.
 
Do you think it'd be possible for McArthur to build his endurance up enough to play on a wing? With his other strengths I feel that'd suit his game best and allow him to influence games more.
That would be the hope. I'd be very much trying to make him build his endurance for playing wing. He is a December boy so I'd expect some late development.
 
Looks like English’s manager has had a few concussions himself asking for that kind of contract.

Not worth a mil a year on current form, and 6 years is risky considering what’s just happened to O’Driscoll
 
Outside Sanders, was the 1st year player I was most excited for.

Could’ve been a real small forward half weapon.
Was hoping he could be that damaging HHF two way runner with his high endurance but enough speed to burn off his opponent running back to goal. Working back into defence to provide run out options or to close down space.
Had real potential to be a very good player, unfortunately that will never come to pass now 😪
 
Was hoping he could be that damaging HHF two way runner with his high endurance but enough speed to burn off his opponent running back to goal. Working back into defence to provide run out options or to close down space.
Had real potential to be a very good player, unfortunately that will never come to pass now 😪
His speed-endurance mix was the best in the draft and wouldve been top 5 in the AFL
 
With the way he marks the ball it'd be possible, I don't think he has spent any meaningful time there but others may know better.


His management are looking for offers over 1.2mil and a length of 6 year.
Currently no one coming forward with the dogs offering 5 more years at his current wage (around 900k)

Welcome to the Bulldogs for another 5 years, Timmy
 
Who’s McArthur?
190cm utility from the Western Jets. Got very good athleticism, good kick and very strong overhead. Can play either end but I'd like to see him become a wingman long term. December bday.

From what I can understand we were interested in him last year, which makes sense considering the similarities between him and Friejah. Liked the look of him in the first young guns game were he played forward and kicked 3 goals if I remember correctly but plays as a link up back more at the Jets.
 
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