Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 6 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

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PurpJuice said:
He’s way too weak, have you seen him try and tackle?
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I mean half of Swans goals last week was due to broken tackles
So he fits right in
 

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Struggle said:
Love it. All the media idiots speculating with genuinely no idea
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As always. You've got Twomey and Beveridge on AFL media pontificating about trades and drafting almost daily telling us about contracts they really know nothing about (who would tell them, really?) and giving us total BS year after year on newly drafted players such as an 18-year old Player X 'plays like Buddy Franklin, a bit like Bontempelli and has shades of Charlie Curnow'. Absolute nonsense.

On top of that, we get the usual guff (fed by player managers then gormlessly repeated by media hacks) that Player X is likely to be on the move or like with Morris, has 'requested a trade' (middle of the season, mind you).

You could lose three quarters of the AFL media and we would all be better for it. Overanalysed and most of the 'stories' we get fed are total garbage.

While I'm on a roll, I'll add Hoyne from Champion Data to the mix. Heard a stat saying we were 2nd for scores from contests or something - we're 11th and that's all that matters. Most stats now are utter trash. Reminded me of our very low position on the David King Premiership Quadrant in 2016.... and we know how that played out.
 
Dogs Rule said:
As always. You've got Twomey and Beveridge on AFL media pontificating about trades and drafting almost daily telling us about contracts they really know nothing about (who would tell them, really?) and giving us total BS year after year on newly drafted players such as an 18-year old Player X 'plays like Buddy Franklin, a bit like Bontempelli and has shades of Charlie Curnow'. Absolute nonsense.

On top of that, we get the usual guff (fed by player managers then gormlessly repeated by media hacks) that Player X is likely to be on the move or like with Morris, has 'requested a trade' (middle of the season, mind you).

You could lose three quarters of the AFL media and we would all be better for it. Overanalysed and most of the 'stories' we get fed are total garbage.

While I'm on a roll, I'll add Hoyne from Champion Data to the mix. Heard a stat saying we were 2nd for scores from contests or something - we're 11th and that's all that matters. Most stats now are utter trash. Reminded me of our very low position on the David King Premiership Quadrant in 2016.... and we know how that played out.
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The only thing I would change in your statement which is excellent is nothing in the AFL media is over analyzed, this would suggest a modicum of facts, it is massively over speculated
 
Dogs Rule said:
As always. You've got Twomey and Beveridge on AFL media pontificating about trades and drafting almost daily telling us about contracts they really know nothing about (who would tell them, really?) and giving us total BS year after year on newly drafted players such as an 18-year old Player X 'plays like Buddy Franklin, a bit like Bontempelli and has shades of Charlie Curnow'. Absolute nonsense.

On top of that, we get the usual guff (fed by player managers then gormlessly repeated by media hacks) that Player X is likely to be on the move or like with Morris, has 'requested a trade' (middle of the season, mind you).

You could lose three quarters of the AFL media and we would all be better for it. Overanalysed and most of the 'stories' we get fed are total garbage.

While I'm on a roll, I'll add Hoyne from Champion Data to the mix. Heard a stat saying we were 2nd for scores from contests or something - we're 11th and that's all that matters. Most stats now are utter trash. Reminded me of our very low position on the David King Premiership Quadrant in 2016.... and we know how that played out.
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In defense of Twomey and Beveridge

Mainly 95% of AFL supporters don't watch Nationals or under 18's come

So comparing them to well known player is the easiest way to get a point across of the type of player someone is
 
Arty really hasn’t been that bad at vfl level. Unfortunately he hasn’t finished his work but his been consistently had 3-4 shots at goal a game and his pressure is good and despite his light frame is good for 5 tackles a week (sticking more tackles will come, his off a shoulder reconstruction). I reckon he would be our best pressure forward at afl level.

He is also obviously a low possession player, but the half forward role is very hard at vfl level as when you present you don’t get hit up.
 
VitalDread said:
In defense of Twomey and Beveridge

Mainly 95% of AFL supporters don't watch Nationals or under 18's come

So comparing them to well known player is the easiest way to get a point across of the type of player someone is
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There are some media figures who work hard and use the tools at their disposals. But also, there's a growing disconnect between the operations of clubs and how they're discussed in the media. Retired players have it thrashed out of them. And operations are far more complex than the media communicates.
Dogs Rule said:
As always. You've got Twomey and Beveridge on AFL media pontificating about trades and drafting almost daily telling us about contracts they really know nothing about (who would tell them, really?) and giving us total BS year after year on newly drafted players such as an 18-year old Player X 'plays like Buddy Franklin, a bit like Bontempelli and has shades of Charlie Curnow'. Absolute nonsense.
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At least from a contract POV the thing the media gets wrong - and this is from personal interactions I've had with club staffers who work on this (not for the Dogs) - is the inherent complexity of contracts. Bonuses, triggers, front and back loading, partial payouts, negotiated retirements, all involving specialist software and immense forward planning are all basically second nature for clubs yet never discussed as opposed to general terms in the media. It's why people like Power are so good (other than the negotiating side) - because he's a quiet hard working forward planner who is intelligent enough that he can look at an excel spreadsheet and understand what it all means. Clubs are building specialist statistical models to game the draft value points system. U18 scouting interacts with statistical analysis and this list management planning in a more coordinated manner than the 20 years ago method of "this kids looks good let's draft him"

On the other hand, the media gets no leaks from your average player manager that needs to soothe the hurt feelings of a player who wants more money or is unhappy at a club. But no leaks from the nerdy Jonah Hill from Moneyball staff member who is raising the alarm at a contract bonus putting a club into salary cap pressure or whatever.

There's very similar elements to tactics, where the roles and directions given by coaches are basically never replicated by the media. When you see them break into groups at half time in the rooms, the line coaches are actually discussing complicated division of roles, reiterating elements of the game they discussed via video footage earlier in the week etc. But the best you get from Fox Footy or whoever is just a little graphic under a player "oh look how much they ran in this passage to have a possession in the defensive half but win the ball again in the attacking half 30 seconds later".
 
VitalDread said:
Would be interested in seeing how Arty goes as a defender next year
Reckon he has the smarts to find that role more comfortable
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A shift to the wing perhaps. Defence yeah, nah.

Defence is not where you want a guy who struggles to impact games when he doesn't have the ball and struggles to use it well when he does. It's an issue compounded by his lack of size and physicality. We saw Caleb Daniel have to be shifted from defence due to his physical limitations and hes an exquisite user of the ball. If we tried Jones in defence he would get slaughtered like a spring lamb.

The length of contracts for certain players is a contentious issue in here. What I don't understand is how Jones having another year on the list just skates by anybodies notice. It speaks to how poor our genuine small forward stocks are that this is the case. Something that given the events of last night the club clearly recognises.
 
The fact is that Jones, McNeil, and Clarke are not currently AFL standard and may never be. Recruiting another small forward - with different assets to these guys, I might add - isn't "giving up on them," it's solidifying the depth in an area of need and increasing our chances of finding an AFL standard player.
 

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Wrapped with the pick up of Rypstra! High ceiling with 1-2 elite traits to work with, in a position of need is exactly the types we should be picking up in the MSD and not the Bianco vanilla types (no disrespect to Trent, hes been great for Footscray, but seems a VFL level footballer)
 
VitalDread said:
In defense of Twomey and Beveridge

Mainly 95% of AFL supporters don't watch Nationals or under 18's come

So comparing them to well known player is the easiest way to get a point across of the type of player someone is
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I understand it, but IMHO the comparisons at draft time are well and truly overused. With extensive highlights of every player at hand these days, we can just see for ourselves and make our own minds up.
 
Dogs Rule said:
I understand it, but IMHO the comparisons at draft time are well and truly overused. With extensive highlights of every player at hand these days, we can just see for ourselves and make our own minds up.
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ohhh 1000%

As an NBA fan, it's my fave thing when watching the draft
 
So we think there is a chance that we could get hawks 1st rounder (pick 6ish) for Bailey smith?? Considering they are willing to pay an astronomical amount (most likely hawks I’m guessing), I would have thought we would hold them to it.
 
murphy's twin said:
So we think there is a chance that we could get hawks 1st rounder (pick 6ish) for Bailey smith?? Considering they are willing to pay an astronomical amount (most likely hawks I’m guessing), I would have thought we would hold them to it.
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We’d probably have to add some steak knives but I’d take that.
 
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