Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 6 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Bald]

Happy with that. Perfect world it’s three years but if the choice was one extra year or we lose him, I’d take the four years.

 

[DiamondDogs8]

Can’t see where he nails down a spot in our best 22, considering wing is one of the main positions we wanted to improve on in this off season, with more importance being placed on outside run. He’s suffering from the same problem as Caleb Daniel

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Caleb Daniel

Age

28

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

where no one is really sure what his best position is. Didn’t mind him down back, however I can’t ignore the flashbacks to the ‘21 GF.
4 years is puzzling to me, I wouldn’t have minded Bailey Williams’ role to be covered by Harvey Gallagher, who I’m really bullish on.

 

[Golden_6]

In what universe is he a clear best 22 player with improvement when he’s declined rapidly in the last 2 years and has been dropped multiple times?

Ridiculous contract

Bailey Williams has played 1 VFL game in over 4 years with no real injuries. How would that not make him a clear best 22 player?

The improvement clearly relates to recapturing his best form from 2020 and 2021.

 

[Sentinel]

People do need to come to terms with the new length of deals. Superstars are getting 7-8 year deals, middle tier 3-4 year deals and your final list spots upwards of two years.

I hate it. I understand that the market has moved in this direction but if I had it my way we would give max 4 year deals to the best players and no more than 2-3 year deals to anyone who isn't clearly in the top few. Certainly no deals beyond 3 years to anyone on the wrong side of 26/27 unless you're a Bontempelli type.

So often they seem to come back to bite clubs - our 5 year Macrae deal right now looks extremely shakey, then you look at others like Kelly & Coniglio at the Giants, Grundy at the Pies etc and plenty more examples. Everyone raves about them when pen gets put to paper but they just feel irresponsible to me. Even 27 year old Harry Himmelberg managed to get himself a 6 year, $5m deal ffs.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Nothing is wrong with Bailey Williams 4 year contract

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Hey guys...

 

[Sentinel]

Nothing is wrong with Bailey Williams 4 year contract

Nothing wrong with it right now and it may well end up a perfectly fine deal but in 3-4 years time, who knows. I certainly hope it works out.

Look at someone like Hayden Crozier, who I think in 2020 was at a similar level and age to what Williams is today when he signed a 3 year deal and spent 2/3 of it playing VFL. Proceed with caution.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Nothing wrong with it right now and it may well end up a perfectly fine deal but in 3-4 years time, who knows. I certainly hope it works out.

Look at someone like Hayden Crozier, who I think in 2020 was at a similar level and age to what Williams is today when he signed a 3 year deal and spent 2/3 of it playing VFL. Proceed with caution.

Crozier had a few injuries after he Re-Signed with us but I could be wrong

 

[Sentinel]

Crozier had a few injuries after he Re-Signed with us but I could be wrong

He missed an early bit of the season in 2021 and came back poorly then was dropped towards the end of the year. Then played mostly VFL across 22 and 23, maybe with a few games missed here and there like after his weird heart thing last year. His was a 3 year deal which ended up being a poor contract - whether through form or injury it doesn't matter because the impact is still the same, and this was a year less than what Williams has signed for.

To me that's the concern about this kind of signing, it doesn't mean it will end poorly but there is a risk.

 

[dergert]

Year by year contracts for everyone

 

[Libbaaaa]

I hate it. I understand that the market has moved in this direction but if I had it my way we would give max 4 year deals to the best players and no more than 2-3 year deals to anyone who isn't clearly in the top few. Certainly no deals beyond 3 years to anyone on the wrong side of 26/27 unless you're a Bontempelli type.

So often they seem to come back to bite clubs - our 5 year Macrae deal right now looks extremely shakey, then you look at others like Kelly & Coniglio at the Giants, Grundy at the Pies etc and plenty more examples. Everyone raves about them when pen gets put to paper but they just feel irresponsible to me. Even 27 year old Harry Himmelberg managed to get himself a 6 year, $5m deal ffs.

Same, but the industry doesn't work like that. Every new CBA brings with it a change in the way contracts are given out and you would be playing with fire going against the grain and only offering someone like Jamarra a 3 year deal when the Druggies would swoop in with a 6-7 year offer and take him.

Macca got 5 years off the back of 3 straight All Australians as a 27.5 year old, was a no brainer.

 

[Testekill]

We're really going to want Truck to improve a lot to justify that contract length as, outside of two months, he has been diabolical since the grand final.

 

[Oliver G]

VFL games and goals over the past two seasons (22/23) for our currently listed players with their contract status in brackets...

Baker - 4 games, 4 goals (2025)
Bedendo - 13 games, 8 goals (2023)
Busslinger - 18 games, 0 goals (2024)
Clarke - 19 games, 12 goals (2024)
Cleary - 30 games, 1 goal (2026)
Crozier - 21 games, 3 goals (2023)
Darcy - 16 games, 17 goals (2025)
Duryea - 3 games, 0 goals (2023)
Gallagher - 8 games, 5 goals (2024)
Garcia - 11 games, 10 goals (2024)
Gardner - 9 games, 0 goals (2026)
Johannisen - 3 games, 4 goals (2024)
A. Jones - 21 games, 11 goals (2025)
Keath - 4 games, 0 goals (2024)
Khamis - 28 games, 51 goals (2023)
Lobb - 2 games, 7 goals (2026)
McComb - 16 games, 11 goals (2023)
McLean - 18 games, 12 goals (2023)
McNeil - 9 games, 14 goals (2023)
O’Brien - 12 games, 0 goals (2023)
O’Donnell, 4 games, 0 goals (2025)
Poulter - 12 games, 8 goals (2025)
Raak - 36 games, 18 goals (2023)
Scott - 1 game, 4 goals (2025)
R. Smith - 15 games, 8 goals (2023)
Sweet - 30 games, 13 goals (2023)
Ugle-Hagen - 5 games, 10 goals (2024)
Vandermeer - 8 games, 2 goals (2025)
West - 14 games, 15 goals (2024)
Williams - 1 game, 0 goals (2027)

 

[DueWest]

With Williams and Poulter signed that leaves about 11 players still out of contract, excluding Bruce and Hannan.

Apart from maybe signing McLean, Sweet and Khamis.. maybe Bendendo we should be cutting deep.

 

[Sentinel]

Same, but the industry doesn't work like that. Every new CBA brings with it a change in the way contracts are given out and you would be playing with fire going against the grain and only offering someone like Jamarra a 3 year deal when the Druggies would swoop in with a 6-7 year offer and take him.

Macca got 5 years off the back of 3 straight All Australians as a 27.5 year old, was a no brainer.

Yeah I get that, it's the way of the world right now. Its catch 22 - either you offer shorter deals and risk losing more players elsewhere, or you offer longer deals and risk ending up with dud contracts on your books.

Macrae is a perfect example of why I'm against it. Even someone previously as ultra consistent as him can fall off a relative cliff (he hasn't been that bad but nowhere near the level his contract should demand). His age meant to me 5 years was over, and if someone of his calibre can burn you then the risk is far greater for a mid-level inconsistent player like Williams.

 

[doggie dog]

English to Melb
Grundy and 5 to Port
Butters to Dogs

*Not promoting trading English, just speculating a trade if he leaves.

Or really double down
English to Melb
Grundy and 5 to dogs
Smithy to Port
Butters to dogs.
I'd happy pay the remainder of Grundys contract for pick 5 (Select an elite midfielder to be ready for when Libba hangs them up)
I would also be happy to give 1 million to butters, absolutely gun in the midfield and kicking into the fwd line.

Think of butters kicking to Marra and Astro for the next 10 years, Still got 10 and 17 if we need to balance out butters trade.

 

[Dog 36]

We're really going to want Truck to improve a lot to justify that contract length as, outside of two months, he has been diabolical since the grand final.

Diabolical not sure about that.

Every club needs a Williams. No fuss player and at 25 still has plenty to give

 

[Dazb86]

Happy with Williams staying on. Clear best 22 player in his prime.

 

[Foxman98]

Happy with Williams staying on. Clear best 22 player in his prime.

So was Billy Gowers in fact he was out leading goalkicker

 

[Dogs 13]

In what universe is he a clear best 22 player with improvement when he’s declined rapidly in the last 2 years and has been dropped multiple times?

Ridiculous contract

Bailey Williams has played 1 VFL game in over 4 years with no real injuries. How would that not make him a clear best 22 player?

The improvement clearly relates to recapturing his best form from 2020 and 2021.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your misguided opinion of him. He's played 68 games over the last 3 seasons.
He's basically a lock in our best 22.

 

[BrisDog]

So was Billy Gowers in fact he was out leading goalkicker

Gower’s wasn’t offered a 4 year contract at the dogs nor any other occupation that I know of.

 

[Foxman98]

Don't let the facts get in the way of your misguided opinion of him. He's played 68 games over the last 3 seasons.
He's basically a lock in our best 22.

Which has been our issue he’s just not that good being marginally better than crap isn’t a reason to get a 4 year contract

 

[Dog 36]

Which has been our issue he’s just not that good being marginally better than crap isn’t a reason to get a 4 year contract

Without knowing the $ hard to assess whether or not it’s a good signing

Williams is a no fuss low maintenance player that at 25 is coming into a good period. Seems to do what he is asked and goes about it well

Every club needs these types. If he is our best 20 to 22 player we are doing well

 

[hatescaptcha]

Williams has had some great games on the wing, think he still has a lot of development in him in that position.
Think he could also play mid if given the opportunity.

Great signing imo. Coming into his prime.


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[weltschmerz]

Bailey Williams is a weird player to have a loud and passionate vendetta against.