Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 6 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[CarnTheScray]

Mattdougie will be back any second now…

 

[Dogs Rule]

Look, I know zero about Smith. I have no idea if he's any good. I've heard he had a good year once.

But, he already works with cotton on.
Secondly, the salary club increases by $2 mil in 2025. Anyone could fit him in.

The cats will lose Hawkins, 2E, Parfitt, Stanley, Bews etc.
Cash isn't the problem here.

Draft picks are because we dont have any 'hand' unless one of our players asks to get out for more opportunity elsewhere.
But again, I have no idea what he's worth.

IF he's told Geelong he's coming you can bet that Geelong will have that deal done on day 1. It's how they roll.

Great, now we have Geelong supporters wandering over sticking their noses in.

I just hope one day your club suffers the same fate Carlton did back in the day because we all know what's going on...

 

[weltschmerz]

Look, I know zero about Smith. I have no idea if he's any good. I've heard he had a good year once.

But, he already works with cotton on.
Secondly, the salary club increases by $2 mil in 2025. Anyone could fit him in.

The cats will lose Hawkins, 2E, Parfitt, Stanley, Bews etc.
Cash isn't the problem here.

Draft picks are because we dont have any 'hand' unless one of our players asks to get out for more opportunity elsewhere.
But again, I have no idea what he's worth.

IF he's told Geelong he's coming you can bet that Geelong will have that deal done on day 1. It's how they roll.

Quick overview, he’s a burst midfielder who can also play wing or HFF. Extremely athletic, capable of tearing a game apart, gets a lot of it, biggest issue is disposal by foot. This is his sixth year in the league; he’s had two that were extremely good for a first- and second-year, one and a half that were overall excellent, one and a half that were pretty average, and one out with an ACL.

 

[TommyD13]

Any reason Jack Macrae can’t settle out on the opposite wing to Bailey Williams?

 

[Doggy]

Any reason Jack Macrae can’t settle out on the opposite wing to Bailey Williams?

Speed

 

[Bald]

Any reason Jack Macrae can’t settle out on the opposite wing to Bailey Williams?

Too slow.

 

[Al dente]

Just returning from my self imposed ban for one thing and one thing only.

In light of the Smith news. The vitriol towards Jamarra Ugle-Hagan is nothing short of despicable from a group of so-called "supporters".

He is a 22 year old key forward. One who generated as many shots at goal this year than the Coleman winner who played more games is the main forward and is smack bang in his prime.

Jamarra is far from a finished product and has quite a bit of improvement in him but his numbers for his age are spectacular.

He's also humble, hard-working and a genuine leader. He's also a cultural leader see him embracing his role with young indigenous players and the St Kilda racism incident as examples. He turned down some massive offers to stay loyal to the club for less money.

Those advocating a trade or reading into his body language can go **** themselves.

Now back to my sporadic lurking.

Im hoping both JUH and Bont are encouraged to make a significant change to their set shot routine, I would try something like Hogan does, they are both very passive and body weight back.

 

[Tony Barber]

Great, now we have Geelong supporters wandering over sticking their noses in.

I just hope one day your club suffers the same fate Carlton did back in the day because we all know what's going on...

I highly doubt what you're suggesting is true.
But if it is, then sure, bend them over. No probs with that.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Completely spot on.

Listening to Treloar talk about how a lot of his anxiety issues were driven by selfishness. Once he started caring about team performance and not personal, he started playing better and became a better teammate.

We've basically had to coddle Baz given all his issues. Can't wait to see the back of him.

It was highly suspected among interstate teams that Smith manipulated the concept of mental health in a non-genuine way to not want to get drafted outside of Victoria, refusing to accept the process of a national draft is something you have to accept if you want to be a league footballer. That pissed a lot of them off (and rightfully so).

Archie Perkins did the same thing but wasn't as strategic about it, he just came out and blurted it, and I'm surprised the AFL didn't try to criticise it/nip it more, because it could have led to a spiral that undermines the structures of the national draft and makes it fit for purpose.

 

[nooB]

when was the last time someone of high talent or valued in high draft picks walked to the PSD because clubs couldn't get a deal done?

 

[Anja_Nees]

Being fair to Geelong I don’t think they try to screw others at the trade table. They paid a fair price for Dangerfield and Cameron etc.

They’re great at getting deals done but I don’t think they’ve generally done it by shafting other clubs.

 

[Unorth]

Sounds like we’ll be entering 2025 with two 2016 premiership players on the list, maybe three.

It’s been a long time since, but it’s like watching the white rhinos slowly go extinct.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

If Baz is actually all about $ and length of contract, rather than having a deal already in place with Geelong, I hope he's willing to go to the club that offers us the best return for him.

 

[PurpJuice]

It was highly suspected among interstate teams that Smith manipulated the concept of mental health in a non-genuine way to not want to get drafted outside of Victoria, refusing to accept the process of a national draft is something you have to accept if you want to be a league footballer. That pissed a lot of them off (and rightfully so).

Archie Perkins did the same thing but wasn't as strategic about it, he just came out and blurted it, and I'm surprised the AFL didn't try to criticise it/nip it more, because it could have led to a spiral that undermines the structures of the national draft and makes it fit for purpose.

As much of a wank stain as Bailey Smith is, I highly doubt he was using his mental health to manipulate the system, that’s absurd.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

when was the last time someone of high talent or valued in high draft picks walked to the PSD because clubs couldn't get a deal done?

There's basically two answers to this question.

Teams lower down on the ladder have walked through players as part of the PSD process rather than organise a trade (Jack Martin, Jackson Hately), because they know it's impossible for anyone else to get them.

But in terms of some element of uncertainty over contract/which club might draft them, it basically goes back to either Nick Stevens in 2004, or Luke Ball in 2009, who went through the national draft and not the pre-season draft.

 

[Doggy]

Being fair to Geelong I don’t think they try to screw others at the trade table. They paid a fair price for Dangerfield and Cameron etc.

They’re great at getting deals done but I don’t think they’ve generally done it by shafting other clubs.

Bowes, Bruhn, Henry

What they tried to do to Port for Ratugolea of all players

 

[threenewpadlocks]

As much of a wank stain as Bailey Smith is, I highly doubt he was using his mental health to manipulate the system, that’s absurd.

Have it on good authority, by individuals involved at interstate clubs' draft process in his draft year, that they understood the idea of moving interstate was not insurmountable in the context of his mental health (they even had psychiatrists involved in the process). He simply didn't want to leave Melbourne and found a way that he wouldn't be criticised too much for upending the principle of a national draft, even if they were to take his mental health claims in his draft year at face value, which they were not necessarily inclined to do.

I'm not generally a cynical person and I'm also not one to dismiss the needs of better mental health treatment, but it's also not unheard of, especially among Gen Z, to use it as a crutch for things that would otherwise be uncomfortable situations or require some resilience, such as the realities that you may have to move interstate at 18 or 19 if you want to be a league footballer.

 

[Bulldogs85]

As much of a wank stain as Bailey Smith is, I highly doubt he was using his mental health to manipulate the system, that’s absurd.

There is a thread about it on Bigfooty that Rumour has been around for sometime. Just found the thread

Rumour - Bailey Smith avoids being drafted interstate by way of medical reason

His reasons stack up.

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Dog 36]

Look, I know zero about Smith. I have no idea if he's any good. I've heard he had a good year once.

But, he already works with cotton on.
Secondly, the salary club increases by $2 mil in 2025. Anyone could fit him in.

The cats will lose Hawkins, 2E, Parfitt, Stanley, Bews etc.
Cash isn't the problem here.

Draft picks are because we dont have any 'hand' unless one of our players asks to get out for more opportunity elsewhere.
But again, I have no idea what he's worth.

IF he's told Geelong he's coming you can bet that Geelong will have that deal done on day 1. It's how they roll.

My post was more about the AFL Integrity Unit and their feather duster approach to many things.

Any deal done between Smith- Cotton On and Geelong will most likely be okay but the fact AFL looks at it (if they do) means zero.

Just look at the recent Stengle incident how quickly was that investigated and resolved and put to bed like nothing to see here he was the victim of someone spiking his drink. Note the Example is not directed because of the Cats involvement more for the AFL and its fawlty towers approach to things.

As for deal day one you once rolled like that but not under the new regime Mackie is.

 

[Dog 36]

Being fair to Geelong I don’t think they try to screw others at the trade table. They paid a fair price for Dangerfield and Cameron etc.

They’re great at getting deals done but I don’t think they’ve generally done it by shafting other clubs.

Under the Wells regime yes Mackie is a different beast

Do not mix the two up.

 

[nooB]

But in terms of some element of uncertainty over contract/which club might draft them, it basically goes back to either Nick Stevens in 2004, or Luke Ball in 2009, who went through the national draft and not the pre-season draft.

So a very long time - ie theres 0% chance he's going to the draft/PSD.

The only angle/advantage I can see in this situation is he hasn't nominated anybody publicly - unless he's made his mind up with Hawks/Geelong but won't say until their final campaign's are done. IF he truly hasn't made up his mind on a club, there could be a small chance there could be a bidding war about to happen for his services.

 

[Hobdog]

As someone that has battled mental health issues across their life, I’m pretty uncomfortable with some of the conversations and amateur diagnosis floating around on here. Can we just stick to football? While we’re at it, get comfortable with uncertainty because until the trade period ends, nobody on here has any idea what will or won’t happen. All the posturing and predictions of getting screwed is just a waste of your time and energy. The club aren’t stupid and would have been planning for this for a long time.


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[RWnBluey]

Speed

And a non penetrating kick

 

[_Mike_]

Bailey Smith

6

Bailey Smith

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

settled on his new house that he bought in Bellbrae back in July.

He's going to Geelong if he can get his way.

 

[Anja_Nees]

Bailey Smith settled on his new house that he bought in Bellbrae back in July.

He's going to Geelong if he can get his way.

Ok let’s send him to St Kilda. The Bellbrae Seaford commute would be a joy.