Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Munnez]

I remember Alex Keath saying the same thing before having a steep nosedive

Athleticism is very definitely age based and everyone's cliff is different. For me a hopeless specimen athletically went from slow to glacier slow at around age 32. The explosiveness begins to evaporate and there is no getting it back.

Could see maybe another 2 maybe 3 good years left in Lobb but I feel like 4 is just a bit fanciful

 

[adogsfan5]

Sweets tap work is legit superb.

 

[Struggle]

Sweets tap work is legit superb.

Yeah but can he get a handball receive that you'd rather a midfielder be getting?

 

[Mojorisin]

Yeah but can he get a handball receive that you'd rather a midfielder be getting?

What's he like taking kick ins?

 

[threenewpadlocks]

This is what gets missed when people say ‘useless around the ground’

It’s exactly what a ruck needs to do. Not dick around racking up outside touches

The Port board is criticising him right now for the fact that he has 4 effective and 5 ineffective touches, and 0 uncontested.

Meanwhile Sydney have kicked goals directly as a result of Grundy contributing in transition ball movement chains, including Grundy himself hitting targets by foot

 

[adogsfan5]

Yeah but can he get a handball receive that you'd rather a midfielder be getting?

We don’t need a ruckman getting a handball recieve. No club does.

 

[dergert]

Expecting Garcia to now request a trade to Port.



Just a hunch.

 

[Gridlock'd]

Expecting Garcia to now request a trade to Port.



Just a hunch.

Surely he is not cracking their midfield either. And theirs is much younger.

 

[SweatOnMySkin]

Garcia was also linked to Geelong so might still have to wait. Seems like he's definitely gone though

 

[Doggies7]

The sweet love affair is going too far. Very good, strong tap ruckman, definitely. Really does not provide much else, at all. Even at Port this year, after the pre-season battle he lost out to Soldo as the #1 ruck, with the coaches valuing what Ivan provided more. Credit to him, took it over and held onto it when Soldo got injured and went in for knee surgery.

This finals series in 3 games he has take ONE mark. ONE. And they have kicked to him down the line plenty of times to maybe clunk a few more. I bet Port would have loved him to present a little more around the ground to take a few more marks and hand off to runners coming past, but only the 1 mark in 3 full games. He also went at 57%, 53% and 54% by foot in these three finals. A lot of throw it on the boot, high up and unders to nobody that got turned over.

Tim didn't have a great year and everyone is down on him, but he was really solid in 2023, maybe didn't deserve All Australian, but Sweet is never having a year as good as that. English is still a very valuable ruck that does a lot of good things around the ground and opens the play up for us a ton with his hard running and skill. Poor tap ruck who needs to improve in this aspect and get stronger (never going to be a bruiser or great tap ruck in all likelihood), but Jordon Sweet is not as good as people make him out to be after every Port game...

 

[threenewpadlocks]

The sweet love affair is going too far. Very good, strong tap ruckman, definitely. Really does not provide much else, at all. Even at Port this year, after the pre-season battle he lost out to Soldo as the #1 ruck, with the coaches valuing what Ivan provided more. Credit to him, took it over and held onto it when Soldo got injured and went in for knee surgery.

This finals series in 3 games he has take ONE mark. ONE. And they have kicked to him down the line plenty of times to maybe clunk a few more. I bet Port would have loved him to present a little more around the ground to take a few more marks and hand off to runners coming past, but only the 1 mark in 3 full games. He also went at 57%, 53% and 54% by foot in these three finals. A lot of throw it on the boot, high up and unders to nobody that got turned over.

Tim didn't have a great year and everyone is down on him, but he was really solid in 2023, maybe didn't deserve All Australian, but Sweet is never having a year as good as that. English is still a very valuable ruck that does a lot of good things around the ground and opens the play up for us a ton with his hard running and skill. Poor tap ruck who needs to improve in this aspect and get stronger (never going to be a bruiser or great tap ruck in all likelihood), but Jordon Sweet is not as good as people make him out to be after every Port game...

Port fans are openly criticising his lack of contribution in winning the ball and like you say the majority of his ball use hacking the ball forward openly on their board.

Meek outplayed him last week too at the very least no less than how he outplayed English the week before.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Oh ffs can we focus on players we are interested in trading for, rather than players we traded out. Talk about living in the past, which you can’t change.

 

[Struggle]

Port fans are openly criticising his lack of contribution in winning the ball and like you say the majority of his ball use hacking the ball forward openly on their board.

Meek outplayed him last week too at the very least no less than how he outplayed English the week before.

Meek outplayed him? That's an insane statement

The coaches gave Sweet 5 votes, they had the same amount of touches, Sweet with 6 more score involvements, 4 more tackles, 11 more pressure acts, less turnovers etc

 

[bigdog54]

Oh ffs can we focus on players we are interested in trading for, rather than players we traded out. Talk about living in the past, which you can’t change.

What, we can't trade sweet back in?

 

[CarnTheScray]

Port fans are openly criticising his lack of contribution in winning the ball and like you say the majority of his ball use hacking the ball forward openly on their board.

Meek outplayed him last week too at the very least no less than how he outplayed English the week before.

I can tolerate you defending English until your last breath, but lying about the performance of other ruckman is another thing.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

What, we can't trade sweet back in?

NO

 

[Dog 36]

Port fans are openly criticising his lack of contribution in winning the ball and like you say the majority of his ball use hacking the ball forward openly on their board.

Meek outplayed him last week too at the very least no less than how he outplayed English the week before.

Now you are been ridiculous

We know where you stand reg Sweet but don’t be silly about it

Meek vs English and Meek vd Sweet were miles apart

 

[WB_]

Athleticism is very definitely age based and everyone's cliff is different. For me a hopeless specimen athletically went from slow to glacier slow at around age 32. The explosiveness begins to evaporate and there is no getting it back.

Could see maybe another 2 maybe 3 good years left in Lobb but I feel like 4 is just a bit fanciful

It's obviously a component, but it varies for every person, and if you don't have any major injuries and are disciplined with fitness, some can have a minimal drop off to age 35 or so compared to 30. As an AFL example, someone like Zorko who is nearly 36. Many retirements in their early 30s are driven by an accumulation of major injuries, in such a physically demanding sport, rather than raw athletic drop off.

 

[doggy_dog]

The sweet love affair is going too far. Very good, strong tap ruckman, definitely. Really does not provide much else, at all. Even at Port this year, after the pre-season battle he lost out to Soldo as the #1 ruck, with the coaches valuing what Ivan provided more. Credit to him, took it over and held onto it when Soldo got injured and went in for knee surgery.

This finals series in 3 games he has take ONE mark. ONE. And they have kicked to him down the line plenty of times to maybe clunk a few more. I bet Port would have loved him to present a little more around the ground to take a few more marks and hand off to runners coming past, but only the 1 mark in 3 full games. He also went at 57%, 53% and 54% by foot in these three finals. A lot of throw it on the boot, high up and unders to nobody that got turned over.

Tim didn't have a great year and everyone is down on him, but he was really solid in 2023, maybe didn't deserve All Australian, but Sweet is never having a year as good as that. English is still a very valuable ruck that does a lot of good things around the ground and opens the play up for us a ton with his hard running and skill. Poor tap ruck who needs to improve in this aspect and get stronger (never going to be a bruiser or great tap ruck in all likelihood), but Jordon Sweet is not as good as people make him out to be after every Port game...

English has far more strengths as a player, no doubt, and agree Sweet isn’t some world beater. My point is that Tim’s strengths don’t align with the role he plays, where as Sweet’s do. Genuinely think we would get similar if not better results in terms of overall team performance if Sweet (or a similar type player) lead our rucks this year, and we’d save probably $500k as well

 

[BallaratBulldog]

Neither Sweet or English compare to Peter Street

Peter Street

Age

44

Ht

211cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.2

2star

K

2.8

1star

HB

3.4

3star

HO

15.9

5star

No current season stats available

D

3.2

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

2.2

2star

HO

8.2

5star

so they have some work to do

 

[TiAn_]

Port fans are openly criticising his lack of contribution in winning the ball and like you say the majority of his ball use hacking the ball forward openly on their board.

Meek outplayed him last week too at the very least no less than how he outplayed English the week before.

C’mon man. English had his pants pulled down by Meek and Sweet won that match up last week.

 

[doggy_dog]

Neither Sweet or English compare to Peter Street so they have some work to do

Bring back Wayde Skipper

 

[doggy_dog]

Are we still in the Houston convo at all or is it Carlton or bust?

 

[Dogs Rule]

Are we still in the Houston convo at all or is it Carlton or bust?

Who knows? What exactly do they have that we don't? Apart from brown paper bags of course.

 

[joel_billo]

So not linked to anyone of worth. Just hope for a better result next year is that it?