Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Dogs_r_barking]

Am not hearing great things about the situation with WB and JUH - through a semi-reliable source.

Could be all she wrote.

Trade him to Tassie for one thousand first round picks (sorry second Prosecco, had a shite day).

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

The way Sam Power was talking about Jammarah doesn’t sound great, does it? Would be horrible if he was in a state where he has to retire.

 

[TMoney22]

We would never recruit a gun player ever again. Even an above average player in their prime wouldn't entertain playing for us. Whether the clubs fault or not, that stigma will hang around for years. Tread carefully doggies

 

[lachy]

We would never recruit a gun player ever again. Even an above average player in their prime wouldn't entertain playing for us. Whether the clubs fault or not, that stigma will hang around for years. Tread carefully doggies

What is the Stigma???

This is a job for players at the highest level. It requires high levels of compromise, dedication and above all a want to be the best they can. Sometimes professional athletes work out they do not actually love the sport they happen to be good at and the pressures involved lead them to act in a certain way. If this is the case it is better they move on as they have a lot of life left.

We have some of the biggest guns in the competition, the majority have only been with us. It has been decades since a genuine gun left us in their prime for 'greener pastures', Nathan Brown 20 years ago.

If you remove the expansion clubs in the Gold Coast and GWS, name 10 genuine guns who even moved clubs in their prime over the last 15 years

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

What is the Stigma???

This is a job for players at the highest level. It requires high levels of compromise, dedication and above all a want to be the best they can. Sometimes professional athletes work out they do not actually love the sport they happen to be good at and the pressures involved lead them to act in a certain way. If this is the case it is better they move on as they have a lot of life left.

We have some of the biggest guns in the competition, the majority have only been with us. It has been decades since a genuine gun left us in their prime for 'greener pastures', Nathan Brown 20 years ago.

If you remove the expansion clubs in the Gold Coast and GWS, name 10 genuine guns who even moved clubs in their prime over the last 15 years

Dangerfield, Neale, Dunkley, Franklin, Griffen, Jordan Dawson are a few off the top of my head, if not prime, on the cusp.

 

[Foxman98]

Dangerfield, Neale, Dunkley, Franklin, Griffen, Jordan Dawson are a few off the top of my head, if not prime, on the cusp.

Danger and Franklin are the only 2 here,

Neale was always 2nd fiddle to Fyfe at Freo, Dunkley good player sure but never will be a top 20-30 player in the comp, Griffen was cooked and pushing 30, Dawson was a nice outside extra at Sydney

 

[Foxman98]

What is the Stigma???

This is a job for players at the highest level. It requires high levels of compromise, dedication and above all a want to be the best they can. Sometimes professional athletes work out they do not actually love the sport they happen to be good at and the pressures involved lead them to act in a certain way. If this is the case it is better they move on as they have a lot of life left.

We have some of the biggest guns in the competition, the majority have only been with us. It has been decades since a genuine gun left us in their prime for 'greener pastures', Nathan Brown 20 years ago.

If you remove the expansion clubs in the Gold Coast and GWS, name 10 genuine guns who even moved clubs in their prime over the last 15 years

Danger, Goddard, Franklin, Betts, Lever, Treloar, Grundy
(May, Cameron, Lynch, Taranto)

 

[Bald]

I guess it depends what one means by gun, but Dunkley and Neale certainly qualify given they won best and fairests at the clubs they left (Neale won 2) - With that in mind:

Patrick Dangerfield (Was a free agent but was matched and a trade was forced)
Dayne Beams
Tim Kelly
Lachie Neale
Josh Dunkley

Players on the outskirts of being out and out guns at time of trade:
Tom Mitchell (wasn't a gun at Sydney so probably doesn't qualify)
Chad Wingard
Adam Treloar

Gun players don't get traded often, and if they do leave it's usually due to free agency or from the expansion clubs.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Rowell is as good as Libba (if not better) in the trenches. His big improvement will come from finding more outside easy ball and becoming more damaging in the forward half.

Tackling #1
Clearances #5
Contested possessions #3

Rowell is very good. But I'm pretty sure I remember Libba bested him in our last game.

 

[Mofra]

Danger and Franklin are the only 2 here,

Neale was always 2nd fiddle to Fyfe at Freo, Dunkley good player sure but never will be a top 20-30 player in the comp, Griffen was cooked and pushing 30, Dawson was a nice outside extra at Sydney

Griffen was our best player when he left and finished high up in the B&F for a number of years before he departed.
He won the B&F in 2013, finished 3rd in 2014 after missing games, and went to GWS at the end of that year.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Griffen was our best player when he left and finished high up in the B&F for a number of years before he departed.
He won the B&F in 2013, finished 3rd in 2014 after missing games, and went to GWS at the end of that year.

And was shit ever after

 

[Golden_6]

Rowell is very good. But I'm pretty sure I remember Libba bested him in our last game.

Not true at all. It was a fantastic heated matchup and both had their moments head to head.

Rowell - 25 disposals, 8 tackles, 6 clearances and 15 contested possessions
Libba - 20 touches, 1 goal, 9 tackles, 7 clearances and 9 contested possessions.

 

[lachy]

Danger, Goddard, Franklin, Betts, Lever, Treloar, Grundy
(May, Cameron, Lynch, Taranto)

So in essence over a 15 year period we have 7 gun players traded in their prime not from GWS and Gold Coast throughout 16 teams. One is to us.

We make mountains out of Mole Hills when we talk ourselves down on not getting guns at their prime and talk about Stigma's

 

[Foxman98]

Griffen was our best player when he left and finished high up in the B&F for a number of years before he departed.
He won the B&F in 2013, finished 3rd in 2014 after missing games, and went to GWS at the end of that year.

He was still one of our best but remember we were dogshit and you could see his back was getting worse each year

 

[X_box_X]

And was shit ever after

Not shit, but certainly didn't produce anywhere near the level he did with us.

What was the main reason for this? Did he have less CBAs?

One could argue he went to a team with a much classier midfield, but at the same time I'd argue he was a part of a pretty bloody good midfield with the WB too before he departed.

2012 & 2013 were his two best years. That coincides with him (IMO) being our best player in that period. But he was no slouch between 2008-2010 when he wasn't our best player, and those three years saw him probably outperform his production in his first two seasons with GWS (It's close, look at the stats).

If you compare our midfield from the 2008-2010 period to that of GWS when Griffen arrived, player for player it stacks up very evenly IMO.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

I hope we reach out to Griffen, I remember he was in tears after the game when he played us at home for the first time. Now what we know about McCarthy, he must have felt he had no other way out (What a cancer that man was to our club), and a warning that you cannot replicate another clubs success, you have to do it your way with the talent and assets you have at your disposal.

 

[lachy]

I hope we reach out to Griffen, I remember he was in tears after the game when he played us at home for the first time. Now what we know about McCarthy, he must have felt he had no other way out (What a cancer that man was to our club), and a warning that you cannot replicate another clubs success, you have to do it your way with the talent and assets you have at your disposal.

Fully agree. Was a great player for us in that preliminary final run

 

[Bald]

I hope we reach out to Griffen, I remember he was in tears after the game when he played us at home for the first time. Now what we know about McCarthy, he must have felt he had no other way out (What a cancer that man was to our club), and a warning that you cannot replicate another clubs success, you have to do it your way with the talent and assets you have at your disposal.

We should, but it's very complicated.

The only way you could ever convince the masses of supporters who are hurt by the way it all happened is to explain what actually happened, and that opens up all sorts of cans of worms.

 

[Mofra]

Fully agree. Was a great player for us in that preliminary final run

Basically won us a final against Sydney on one leg.

He doesn't like the limelight though. Simple guy who wants the quiet life.

 

[Mofra]

I hope we reach out to Griffen, I remember he was in tears after the game when he played us at home for the first time. Now what we know about McCarthy, he must have felt he had no other way out (What a cancer that man was to our club), and a warning that you cannot replicate another clubs success, you have to do it your way with the talent and assets you have at your disposal.

I know 100% that McCarthy is the sole reason Liam Jones left us the first time.

 

[BIG_BONTS]

Mcardathy was a blight on our clubs history

 

[bobs head soup]

The era of McCarthyism certainly was ugly, especially for those not prepared to name names.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Who is this McCarthy you all speak of?!

Con McCarthy was captain coach when we transitioned from the VFA to the VFL, had been a premiership captain at Collingwood, and will hopefully be mentioned in the weeks to come for his onfield leadership, esp the 1924 Championship of Victoria match, several VFA flags, and our move to the VFL in 1925.

Brendan McCartney on the other hand...

 

[geoffjennings79]

Note the boots with heels, footballers were much more fashionable in the 1920s!

 

[dogwatch]

The era of McCarthyism certainly was ugly, especially for those not prepared to name names.

You’re getting confused. We’re talking about the era of McCartneyism. Yes it was a long and winding road but it’s one we never Kintyre of mulling over.