Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Ash1337]

If Dogs get Taj Hotton they should get his brother to train on for a chance at SPP spot.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I'm not bothered by the comments, but I hope there are some coaches thinking about them and reflecting on whether they are always communicating the right message. Daniel was still best 23 for most of the season, and a best 23 player shouldn't be left feeling like they weren't trusted... let alone a club champion.

I don't think he was a best 23 player on form from playing the very games that he got dropped (e.g. our Gather Round loss to Geelong, where he was poor), combined with not outstanding VFL form that should have got him promoted again.

I know it wouldn't feel great as a club champion player to be dropped, but in some cases, it can actually build a good culture, as the entire playing group can trust that the coach is picking a meritocracy to try and win upcoming games (as is their duty, and not beholden to reputation or a flawed culture or whatever. I don't think it was a matter of trust, poor communication ... just relevant and obvious form and structure considerations. If I were an average player in some ways I would actually appreciate it because I know that if I do the things the coach asks for me and my form merits it, that's how I would get picked, and not be blocked by selection by a poorer-form player like Daniel who is getting picked over me because of just the fact he was a past club champion.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Hayes was a revelation in the ruck for the Saints when they got him, what sort of injuries have kept him out?

 

[Anja_Nees]

I'm not bothered by the comments, but I hope there are some coaches thinking about them and reflecting on whether they are always communicating the right message. Daniel was still best 23 for most of the season, and a best 23 player shouldn't be left feeling like they weren't trusted... let alone a club champion.

I think the word trust has become way overused in AFL circles. Trust him to do what? It’s him using that word, but what does he mean?

If he means they didn’t trust him to execute bullet passes out of defence I’d agree with them - he’d become unreliable - but that really just means he’s out of form.

When people say Essendon didn’t trust Jake Stringer, they are very much talking about his character but I haven’t seen anything that suggests the coaching staff had any issue with Daniel’s character.

 

[VitalDread]

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Hayes was a revelation in the ruck for the Saints when they got him, what sort of injuries have kept him out?

Did his ACL 5 games into his AFL career iirc

So took extra long for him to get back into form

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I don't think he was a best 23 player on form from playing the very games that he got dropped (e.g. our Gather Round loss to Geelong, where he was poor), combined with not outstanding VFL form that should have got him promoted again.

I know it wouldn't feel great as a club champion player to be dropped, but in some cases, it can actually build a good culture, as the entire playing group can trust that the coach is picking a meritocracy to try and win upcoming games (as is their duty, and not beholden to reputation or a flawed culture or whatever. I don't think it was a matter of trust, poor communication ... just relevant and obvious form and structure considerations. If I were an average player in some ways I would actually appreciate it because I know that if I do the things the coach asks for me and my form merits it, that's how I would get picked, and not be blocked by selection by a poorer-form player like Daniel who is getting picked over me because of just the fact he was a past club champion.

I think the word trust has become way overused in AFL circles. Trust him to do what? It’s him using that word, but what does he mean?

If he means they didn’t trust him to execute bullet passes out of defence I’d agree with them - he’d become unreliable - but that really just means he’s out of form.

When people say Essendon didn’t trust Jake Stringer, they are very much talking about his character but I haven’t seen anything that suggests the coaching staff had any issue with Daniel’s character.

I'm not necessarily saying something was done wrong - we'll never know. I'm just saying that brushing it off would be doing a disservice to advancing as a club. Coaches should always be reflecting on what did and didn't work and what the consequences of their actions were.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I'm not necessarily saying something was done wrong - we'll never know. I'm just saying that brushing it off would be doing a disservice to advancing as a club. Coaches should always be reflecting on what did and didn't work and what the consequences of their actions were.

I mean sure but all the evidence we have was Daniel being completely fine of the whole situation, maintaining a good relationship with the club, and having to be convinced of joining North by taking a four-year contract (ie his existing two-year deal having two guaranteed years of being on an AFL list added to it). He knows what he says next may or may not endear him to the North fans, and I see it nothing else than just accepting his reality and trying to start a new good relationship with his new clubs and their fans.