Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Ash1337]

If Dogs get Taj Hotton they should get his brother to train on for a chance at SPP spot.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I'm not bothered by the comments, but I hope there are some coaches thinking about them and reflecting on whether they are always communicating the right message. Daniel was still best 23 for most of the season, and a best 23 player shouldn't be left feeling like they weren't trusted... let alone a club champion.

I don't think he was a best 23 player on form from playing the very games that he got dropped (e.g. our Gather Round loss to Geelong, where he was poor), combined with not outstanding VFL form that should have got him promoted again.

I know it wouldn't feel great as a club champion player to be dropped, but in some cases, it can actually build a good culture, as the entire playing group can trust that the coach is picking a meritocracy to try and win upcoming games (as is their duty, and not beholden to reputation or a flawed culture or whatever. I don't think it was a matter of trust, poor communication ... just relevant and obvious form and structure considerations. If I were an average player in some ways I would actually appreciate it because I know that if I do the things the coach asks for me and my form merits it, that's how I would get picked, and not be blocked by selection by a poorer-form player like Daniel who is getting picked over me because of just the fact he was a past club champion.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Hayes was a revelation in the ruck for the Saints when they got him, what sort of injuries have kept him out?

 

[Anja_Nees]

I'm not bothered by the comments, but I hope there are some coaches thinking about them and reflecting on whether they are always communicating the right message. Daniel was still best 23 for most of the season, and a best 23 player shouldn't be left feeling like they weren't trusted... let alone a club champion.

I think the word trust has become way overused in AFL circles. Trust him to do what? It’s him using that word, but what does he mean?

If he means they didn’t trust him to execute bullet passes out of defence I’d agree with them - he’d become unreliable - but that really just means he’s out of form.

When people say Essendon didn’t trust Jake Stringer, they are very much talking about his character but I haven’t seen anything that suggests the coaching staff had any issue with Daniel’s character.

 

[VitalDread]

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Hayes was a revelation in the ruck for the Saints when they got him, what sort of injuries have kept him out?

Did his ACL 5 games into his AFL career iirc

So took extra long for him to get back into form

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I don't think he was a best 23 player on form from playing the very games that he got dropped (e.g. our Gather Round loss to Geelong, where he was poor), combined with not outstanding VFL form that should have got him promoted again.

I know it wouldn't feel great as a club champion player to be dropped, but in some cases, it can actually build a good culture, as the entire playing group can trust that the coach is picking a meritocracy to try and win upcoming games (as is their duty, and not beholden to reputation or a flawed culture or whatever. I don't think it was a matter of trust, poor communication ... just relevant and obvious form and structure considerations. If I were an average player in some ways I would actually appreciate it because I know that if I do the things the coach asks for me and my form merits it, that's how I would get picked, and not be blocked by selection by a poorer-form player like Daniel who is getting picked over me because of just the fact he was a past club champion.

I think the word trust has become way overused in AFL circles. Trust him to do what? It’s him using that word, but what does he mean?

If he means they didn’t trust him to execute bullet passes out of defence I’d agree with them - he’d become unreliable - but that really just means he’s out of form.

When people say Essendon didn’t trust Jake Stringer, they are very much talking about his character but I haven’t seen anything that suggests the coaching staff had any issue with Daniel’s character.

I'm not necessarily saying something was done wrong - we'll never know. I'm just saying that brushing it off would be doing a disservice to advancing as a club. Coaches should always be reflecting on what did and didn't work and what the consequences of their actions were.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I'm not necessarily saying something was done wrong - we'll never know. I'm just saying that brushing it off would be doing a disservice to advancing as a club. Coaches should always be reflecting on what did and didn't work and what the consequences of their actions were.

I mean sure but all the evidence we have was Daniel being completely fine of the whole situation, maintaining a good relationship with the club, and having to be convinced of joining North by taking a four-year contract (ie his existing two-year deal having two guaranteed years of being on an AFL list added to it). He knows what he says next may or may not endear him to the North fans, and I see it nothing else than just accepting his reality and trying to start a new good relationship with his new clubs and their fans.

 

[Sentinel]

Joel Hamling

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Joel Hamling

Age

31

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194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

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11.6

3star

K

6.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.8

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.0

3star

anyone?

Veteran Swans set for another chance after delistings, rookie signs on

The Swans have delisted Joel Hamling and Aaron Francis, but have committed to taking the pair in the Rookie Draft

www.afl.com.au

Spoiler

/s

 

[Dogs Rule]

Hopefully somebody swoops in and claims Markov.

Would be handy. Very quick.

 

[BLACAE]

Can someone put a link to the WB 2024 draft please.

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[BLACAE]

Hopefully somebody swoops in and claims Markov.

Would be handy. Very quick.

North should look at a player like him. CD using his kicking and Markov breaking lines.

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[El Rancho]

Big worry is his body not letting him out there but he's a cheap option in a position that we need depth in.

I assume you mean backline not the medical rooms. 55 games since 2018 doesn't exactly bring confidence.
Move on to a different target for mine if that's even an area we are looking at

 

[grassman75]

Another Trojan horse we’ve sent to a rival perhaps.

Except North don’t need ****ing up

 

[Scottish Bob]

The delist re-rookie thing shits me, we did it with Roarke and Duryea so I know we aren’t exempt but god if a player has played more that 50 senior games they should be excluded from rookie selection for a least 2 years. Might only be good for say a speculative comeback to senior footy. But not straight off a list and then back on again.

I’d love for a club to select Gunston or Markov to absolutely stop that going forward. It’s low risk as if they refuse to sign you could probably get out of the contract easily and still have a list spot for a DFA. It's absolutely draft tampering.

 

[Thunderoad]

 

[Mojorisin]

The delist re-rookie thing shits me, we did it with Roarke and Duryea so I know we aren’t exempt but god if a player has played more that 50 senior games they should be excluded from rookie selection for a least 2 years. Might only be good for say a speculative comeback to senior footy. But not straight off a list and then back on again.

I’d love for a club to select Gunston or Markov to absolutely stop that going forward. It’s low risk as if they refuse to sign you could probably get out of the contract easily and still have a list spot for a DFA. It's absolutely draft tampering.

I agree makes a mockery of what the rookie draft was set up for in the first place.
I have no issues clubs picking up other teams delisted veterans on the rookie list (like we did with Adcock) but not a fan of clubs shifting guys like Gunston or Duryea to the rookie list. Should be if a player has been delisted by a club then he isnt eligible to be re-drafted by that club for 6 months (mid season draft at earliest).

 

[Sentinel]

The delist re-rookie thing shits me, we did it with Roarke and Duryea so I know we aren’t exempt but god if a player has played more that 50 senior games they should be excluded from rookie selection for a least 2 years. Might only be good for say a speculative comeback to senior footy. But not straight off a list and then back on again.

I’d love for a club to select Gunston or Markov to absolutely stop that going forward. It’s low risk as if they refuse to sign you could probably get out of the contract easily and still have a list spot for a DFA. It's absolutely draft tampering.

I'm not too fussed by it, but do think they should rename it from 'rookie' to something else given it no longer primarily represents 'rookie' players.

As it stands, the rookie list is basically an extension of the main list anyway (given you no longer need to upgrade them like you used to following an injury/retirement) but with slightly different rules around contracts etc. A club has 42 list spots to fill (excluding category B rookies), I don't think it should matter if they want to fill the last spots with older players or speculative types given the opportunity risk involved.

If the AFL wanted to ensure more speculative players were making it onto lists, they could introduce rules like they have for the main draft (min 3 picks), such as requiring clubs to select at least 1 player in the rookie draft who hasn't previously been listed, or something like that.

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

I know Fahey is suspended for a bit but I wouldn’t mind getting him. Unreal stats in the vfl.

 

[VitalDread]

I know Fahey is suspended for a bit but I wouldn’t mind getting him. Unreal stats in the vfl.

The way Dogs culture is
I'd be shocked if we looked at him

 

[Libbaaaa]

Should just have a few veteran list spots, their salary counts for something like 50% of the cap after a certain amount of seasons.

 

[Dale4captain]

Should just have a few veteran list spots, their salary counts for something like 50% of the cap after a certain amount of seasons.

Agreed. 12 years consecutive service with a club makes you eligible for vets list. 2 spots per year. 50% salary off the cap up to X amount. Incentivises clubs to prolong career and rewards platers for loyalty with a bit of a beefed up deal at the back end.

 

[Dale4captain]

Parfitt might be a chance as an SSP for us.

 

[Testekill]

Parfitt might be a chance as an SSP for us.

He can tackle but no thanks, dude is fragile.

 

[BLACAE]

Has anyone got any idea who we might be looking at in the draft. One of the phantom drafts had us getting Bo Allen, but he seems like KPP, which we don't need as badly as some other areas.

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[House_of_Dahl]

Has anyone got any idea who we might be looking at in the draft. One of the phantom drafts had us getting Bo Allen, but he seems like KPP, which we don't need as badly as some other areas.

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Would be a good get imo. Big powerful burst midfielder would be his aim. But otherwise agree I don't want us getting any more than one kpp of our 4 picks and not with our first 2.