Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[dergert]

Sad but true.
Brew on the list will ensure our training standards are high, if nothing else. Guy is an obsessive and I'd love him to play at least one game this year after years of battling away

I think we'll hold the list spot until the MSD

 

[Unorth]

The Marra trade talk will be a factor all year.

I suspect given the clubs sensitivity to difficult players we’re more likely to ship him out, especially if his repeated absences are alienating his teammates.

There’s an argument that we could use such a trade to rebalance the team and our salary cap - if you don’t want English, Naughts, Darcy and Marra all on sizeable deals.

We have to see how his season actually plays out, there’s undeniable smoke surrounding him.

That being said I’d still rather keep him. We can’t keep on feeding known talents to other clubs for speculative draft picks - we lost a very good player in Dunkley for underwhelming returns, Baz is a bit iffy but still a known quantity vs the also underwhelming return we got for him. Given of course our aim is to try and win a flag (or just a final at this point lol) the trend would start to look really concerning.

We know what Marra offers at his best, and that definitely lives up to his draft position. I would much rather we try and work through this than give up. We’d look like the too hard basket bulldogs. He obviously has a ways to go yet before he’s ready for the rigours of the full afl experience, and some issues in his game are frustratingly lingering, but I’d hate to see him figure it out elsewhere.

Different if we get to the end of the season and Marra himself refuses to sign a long term deal, that’s when you look to move him. Can’t get burned by sticking our head in the sand like we did with Baz.

 

[Golden_6]

The Marra trade talk will be a factor all year.

I suspect given the clubs sensitivity to difficult players we’re more likely to ship him out, especially if his repeated absences are alienating his teammates.

There’s an argument that we could use such a trade to rebalance the team and our salary cap - if you don’t want English, Naughts, Darcy and Marra all on sizeable deals.

We have to see how his season actually plays out, there’s undeniable smoke surrounding him.

That being said I’d still rather keep him. We can’t keep on feeding known talents to other clubs for speculative draft picks - we lost a very good player in Dunkley for underwhelming returns, Baz is a bit iffy but still a known quantity vs the also underwhelming return we got for him. Given of course our aim is to try and win a flag (or just a final at this point lol) the trend would start to look really concerning.

We know what Marra offers at his best, and that definitely lives up to his draft position. I would much rather we try and work through this than give up. We’d look like the too hard basket bulldogs. He obviously has a ways to go yet before he’s ready for the rigours of the full afl experience, and some issues in his game are frustratingly lingering, but I’d hate to see him figure it out elsewhere.

Different if we get to the end of the season and Marra himself refuses to sign a long term deal, that’s when you look to move him. Can’t get burned by sticking our head in the sand like we did with Baz.

I can't see any situation where the years trends in a direction where Marra signs a long term deal before the trade period, especially given his management. If he doesn't, we're just opening ourselves up to another Baz situation.

This is an incredibly tricky situation for the club and I have no idea how is going to play out.

 

[Libbaaaa]

The Marra trade talk will be a factor all year.

I suspect given the clubs sensitivity to difficult players we’re more likely to ship him out, especially if his repeated absences are alienating his teammates.

There’s an argument that we could use such a trade to rebalance the team and our salary cap - if you don’t want English, Naughts, Darcy and Marra all on sizeable deals.

We have to see how his season actually plays out, there’s undeniable smoke surrounding him.

That being said I’d still rather keep him. We can’t keep on feeding known talents to other clubs for speculative draft picks - we lost a very good player in Dunkley for underwhelming returns, Baz is a bit iffy but still a known quantity vs the also underwhelming return we got for him. Given of course our aim is to try and win a flag (or just a final at this point lol) the trend would start to look really concerning.

We know what Marra offers at his best, and that definitely lives up to his draft position. I would much rather we try and work through this than give up. We’d look like the too hard basket bulldogs. He obviously has a ways to go yet before he’s ready for the rigours of the full afl experience, and some issues in his game are frustratingly lingering, but I’d hate to see him figure it out elsewhere.

Different if we get to the end of the season and Marra himself refuses to sign a long term deal, that’s when you look to move him. Can’t get burned by sticking our head in the sand like we did with Baz.

Not sure what else you wanted the club to do in regards to Dunkley and Sniff, we certainly didn't just sit on our hands and say 'thanks for the service boys'. Dunkley in particular had numerous long term deals thrown at him, he just decided to game the system and wait until he was OOC so he could pick any club and know for certain he would get there (after the Bombers debacle). Sniff doing his knee and having delusions of granduer that he had somehow earnt full time CBA minutes was a spanner in the works.

I can't see any situation where the years trends in a direction where Marra signs a long term deal before the trade period, especially given his management. If he doesn't, we're just opening ourselves up to another Baz situation.

This is an incredibly tricky situation for the club and I have no idea how is going to play out.

Again we can't just ship him out, even trying to will result in another Stringer situation where every club won't offer anything for him.

 

[Mofra]

I think we'll hold the list spot until the MSD

We can take Brew as an SSP and still use an MSD pick due to Scott's injury.

 

[nooB]

Now I'm hoping the MODs don't delete this post similar to last year, but I did post/allude to last year JUH has some serious issues and 'baggage' - some of that stuff is starting to come to light now publicly. Stuff that we basically want to package up and ship to Tassie or wherever and we get what we can for him.

If he's still a Dogs player by 2028 I'll be surprised.

 

[Angak]

Has anyone heard the Marra to Tassie rumors?

I wouldn’t be so quick to write off Marra, given his obvious talent and the fact that young, troubled players often take time to mature. However, if he does leave, a trade to Tassie could be the best-case scenario for us, given the draft haul they’re likely to have.

 

[weltschmerz]

Has anyone heard the Marra to Tassie rumors?

I wouldn’t be so quick to write off Marra, given his obvious talent and the fact that young, troubled players often take time to mature. However, if he does leave, a trade to Tassie could be the best-case scenario for us, given the draft haul they’re likely to have.

What happens during the next three seasons?

 

[F6Typhoon]

It doesn’t sound promising?

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[CDBulldog]

Mainly that the other players think he’s a very unusual character who seems to rub most people up the wrong way. Very annoying by the sound of it.

In general terms, a “w#nker”

 

[geoffjennings79]

Posted in media thread, too, relevant to both.
From the club, a short time ago.

 

[TiAn_]

I can't see any situation where the years trends in a direction where Marra signs a long term deal before the trade period, especially given his management. If he doesn't, we're just opening ourselves up to another Baz situation.

This is an incredibly tricky situation for the club and I have no idea how is going to play out.

Will be the same “needs a fresh start” line trotted out as Smith.

 

[Mojorisin]

Will be the same “needs a fresh start” line trotted out as Smith.

Connors just gets deals done.

 

[BrisDog]

Connors just gets deals done.

And makes a shit load of commission as result, give me 5 minutes with the campaigner

 

[dogwatch]

And makes a shit load of commission as result, give me 5 minutes with the campaigner

The most powerful forces in the game today continue to act in commercial interests, not in the purest interests of the game. They will spin it otherwise but we know it's all about the dollar.

There's a lot to be said for amateur sports.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Posted in media thread, too, relevant to both.
From the club, a short time ago.

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a lot of tension at the moment between JUH/ his management vs. the club.

 

[maddog37]

a lot of tension at the moment between JUH/ his management vs. the club.

What are the club upset about?

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

What are the club upset about?

Mixed messages from the JUH camp re: availability and lack of transparency about certain off field events.

 

[maddog37]

Mixed messages from the JUH camp re: availability and no transparency about off field events.

And the management view?

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

And the management view?

They want to keep it seperate from the club and work off their own (medically approved) timelines.

 

[maddog37]

They want to keep it seperate from the club and work off their own (medically approved) timelines.

Sounds like another Bazalenka.

As a non dogs supporter what is your take on us losing high profile players?

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Sounds like another Bazalenka.

As a non dogs supporter what is your take on us losing high profile players?

Lots of cliches incoming, but I think Bevo runs a tight ship and the culture is strong with high training standards

But where there is smoke … I used to think Dunkley was an outlier and just collateral damage from a cap and list balance perspective… and then Baz wanted out, and now this looking rocky also.

 

[maddog37]

Lots of cliches incoming, but I think Bevo runs a tight ship and the culture is strong with high training standards

But where there is smoke … I used to think Dunkley was an outlier and just collateral damage from a cap and list balance perspective… and then Baz wanted out, and now this looking rocky also.

Cheers for the reply.

All this type of turmoil has a negative affect on my enjoyment of the game. I just want to switch it all off. Pretty sure plenty of other supporters feel the same.

It’s easy to blame managers as a cause of the turmoil but it seems there is more to it as you have alluded.

 

[Bulldogs85]

a lot of tension at the moment between JUH/ his management vs. the club.

The club have had a problem with a few Connor Spots clients in the past

1 - Jake Stringer
2 - Lachie Hunter
3 - Bailey Smith
4 - now JUH

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Paul Conners is a sack of crap.