Trade, Draft and list changes 2024

[toenail63]

Hawthorn and Richmond are among the sides to have flagged an interest in Melbourne forward Georgia Gall, though the Demons are still hoping to retain the promising youngster.

https://www.afl.com.au/aflw/news/1253815/big-names-headline-trade-talks-ahead-of-2024-period

Clubs are expecting a much quieter AFLW Trade Period this year, after 41 players moved homes last year in a window capped by an 11-club, 12-player, 24-pick deal on deadline day.

List managers across the competition believe the market is more settled as a result of no remaining expansion concessions, an updated CBA, the ability for players to sign long-term deals and the strength of this year’s first ever national draft.

The AFLW Trade Period opens December 5.

 

[Phar Ace]

Georgia Gall
Melbourne says:
"Debuting in Round 9 2023, Gall played two games for the season and has so far impressed in the early stages of her career.

With versatility across the field, Gall can play across all lines and brings speed and height to her game.

Gall has a background as an elite cricketer, and approaches her training and craft with utmost professionalism."



Definitely worth chasing

 

[Phar Ace]

I've put this post game Coach's interview from the Port game here, because I felt Ferg was very focused in his post game responses about this being a catalyst of sorts for 2025 - have a listen and tell us what you think (nicely ):

AFLW Tigers rue errors

Tigers coach Ryan Ferguson delivered a fairly blunt assessment of his side's elimination final loss to Port.

www.richmondfc.com.au

 

[Matthew2708]

Another team but the West Coast Eagles have delisted 8 players.

 

[toenail63]

Re: Q on changes to list

"it's our duty to our group to see how we can compliment them (players) what we've got, who we can bring in" "List management is always really important" "So we'll definitely make sure that we come back a stronger list"

We need to move on players that firstly don't have the basic skills, or leave the heavy lifting to others, & lack the physical strengths. There were early concerns in the VFLW season where only 2 of ours Sheerin (24) & Shevlin (16.5) out of 11 players averaged more than 15 possessions.

We can go to the draft and attack this new generation of U18's where the top 2 rounds mostly all have the foot skills, clean hands and defensive game in their DNA that's required for AFLW. These girls will be on the lower payment tier with our cap.

Would be nice to unearth another Sheerin who is explosive, tackles, wins clearance, but doesn't cost much to start with to push out a player or two, players who we are paying too much $ can then seek a trade & we can get in more draft capital.

We can only bring in top established talent if we offer them a top 8 contract either tier 1 (2 players) or Tier 2 (6 players)

You'd think Sheerin, Brennan, Conti, McKenzie, Seymour, Miller, Lynch, Yassir, Poppy, Hosking, Egan are either on or after a contract not lower than tier 2 after this season. Fortunately but disappointingly we don't have to move any of our recent draftee's or injury replacements top ups, to a higher tier, as not deserving. (Reid, Ryan, Wicksteed, Peck, Brown, + Luke).

We currently have, with our injury replacements 33 players. They've just announced they're not increasing list size. We need to cut back to 28 players by the end of trade period in three weeks to take the minimum of 2 players at the draft. Ideally we try and trade out someone like Hosking to try and draft another diamond in the rough with a later pick and we don't trade out 2nd round pick, i.e another pick 30 for a Dallaway/Hicks as will be madness, We need to move past trading in average footballers.

 

[toenail63]

Another team but the West Coast Eagles have delisted 8 players.

Daisy getting the broom out.

 

[Phar Ace]

Re: Q on changes to list

"it's our duty to our group to see how we can compliment them (players) what we've got, who we can bring in" "List management is always really important" "So we'll definitely make sure that we come back a stronger list"

We need to move on players that firstly don't have the basic skills, or leave the heavy lifting to others, & lack the physical strengths. There were early concerns in the VFLW season where only 2 of ours Sheerin (24) & Shevlin (16.5) out of 11 players averaged more than 15 possessions.

We can go to the draft and attack this new generation of U18's where the top 2 rounds mostly all have the foot skills, clean hands and defensive game in their DNA that's required for AFLW. These girls will be on the lower payment tier with our cap.

Would be nice to unearth another Sheerin who is explosive, tackles, wins clearance, but doesn't cost much to start with to push out a player or two, players who we are paying too much $ can then seek a trade & we can get in more draft capital.

We can only bring in top established talent if we offer them a top 8 contract either tier 1 (2 players) or Tier 2 (6 players)

You'd think Sheerin, Brennan, Conti, McKenzie, Seymour, Miller, Lynch, Yassir, Poppy, Hosking, Egan are either on or after a contract not lower than tier 2 after this season. Fortunately but disappointingly we don't have to move any of our recent draftee's or injury replacements top ups, to a higher tier, as not deserving. (Reid, Ryan, Wicksteed, Peck, Brown, + Luke).

We currently have, with our injury replacements 33 players. They've just announced they're not increasing list size. We need to cut back to 28 players by the end of trade period in three weeks to take the minimum of 2 players at the draft. Ideally we try and trade out someone like Hosking to try and draft another diamond in the rough with a later pick and we don't trade out 2nd round pick, i.e another pick 30 for a Dallaway/Hicks as will be madness, We need to move past trading in average footballers.

Nice write!

If Hosking and Egan are Tier 2's, we can get better Tier 2 players from the current AFLW pool if we only look for it and make that play. We may be doing that with a Gall from Melbourne perhaps.

I know Egan has some value, but we must seriously look to do better for the 2nd Tier she is consuming. Whilst she is just 24 years of age, will she improve any of her skills from here? Quite frankly they are abysmal at times and wouldn't be tolerated at other Clubs.

 

[Phar Ace]

Daisy getting the broom out.

She's astute, she knows what she is doing. A fine get by WC

 

[Matthew2708]

Two Ex-Richmond players also were delisted again, another one retired.

 

[Matthew2708]

Tam Luke has retired for the 2nd time.
Took a 14 week vacation from retirement.

 

[Bojangles17]

Hosko and lavey should retire

 

[Cdog71]

To have our full list and to not get over
Melb
Ess
Haw
Port when it counted.

It shows we are a long way off it.

Ferg was very focused in his post game responses about this being a catalyst of sorts for 2025

The week before against Hawks he said it was his fault for hitting the go button and changing structure in the last quarter to soon. It wasn’t they had 8 more shots on goal to us.


He said we ran into the ground. Too many sore players.
They’re his players his Coach dept manage the group, Hosking was the only player managed through the year.
We’ve spent the last few seasons building the list around Brennan and Conti, I think we need to move to the idea that Brennan is a bonus rather than the main focus.
Grieser 13 goals. 10goals H/A
Brennan 11 goals. 9 H/A
It’s just not enough, Grieser may have had a good game in the Final..6 marks and 3 goals.
Why haven’t there been more of those preformances?
I think we’ve relied too much and made the mistake of trying to set everything up around Brennan.
And she’s not able to produce

If we continue that next year we are going to slide quickly. IMO.

The way she celebrated the point against Ess, though said in her after game interview how bitter/sweet a draw is after she had dropped the mark to win the game was weird.
Brennan is contracted till the end of 26 but I think anything we get out of Brennan from here on is a bonus.

 

[clark1980]

the 2 main difference b/w us and the better teams this year. 1/ they have more speed, have more players not as good but having the speed of Conti. 2/ dominant taller key forwards. these were the stand outs in our loses. but a good season and not too far away with a few upgrades.

 

[TigermanM2]

the 2 main difference b/w us and the better teams this year. 1/ they have more speed, have more players not as good but having the speed of Conti. 2/ dominant taller key forwards. these were the stand outs in our loses. but a good season and not too far away with a few upgrades.

It’s a bit more than that. Teams occupying the top 4 rungs of the ladder have a total buy in by every single player in the disciplines required to be elite athletes in what is supposed to be an elite competition but in reality isn’t.

This isn’t a club driven thing cause they don’t have the power only being able to demand 22 hours a week from players due to the CBA. This is a player driven thing outside club scope.

No doubt, we have players that are working their arse off. All of them? Not sure. For mine this is the major imbalance of AFLW. Every time I watch Brisbane and Adelaide I know I am watching a proper elite sporting team and it’s the players driving it. Yes they have access to bloody good talent but they do the work. No wonder they keep fighting for flags year after year.

 

[sanaya]

need sheerin to be the clubs personal trainer and dietician over the off season, if everyone was fit like her we'd be laughin

 

[Bojangles17]

To have our full list and to not get over
Melb
Ess
Haw
Port when it counted.

It shows we are a long way off it.


The week before against Hawks he said it was his fault for hitting the go button and changing structure in the last quarter to soon. It wasn’t they had 8 more shots on goal to us.


He said we ran into the ground. Too many sore players.
They’re his players his Coach dept manage the group, Hosking was the only player managed through the year.
We’ve spent the last few seasons building the list around Brennan and Conti, I think we need to move to the idea that Brennan is a bonus rather than the main focus.
Grieser 13 goals. 10goals H/A
Brennan 11 goals. 9 H/A
It’s just not enough, Grieser may have had a good game in the Final..6 marks and 3 goals.
Why haven’t there been more of those preformances?
I think we’ve relied too much and made the mistake of trying to set everything up around Brennan.
And she’s not able to produce

If we continue that next year we are going to slide quickly. IMO.

The way she celebrated the point against Ess, though said in her after game interview how bitter/sweet a draw is after she had dropped the mark to win the game was weird.
Brennan is contracted till the end of 26 but I think anything we get out of Brennan from here on is a bonus.

Not sure the teams u mentioned are like so crap that if you lose to them then you’re ratshit which was kinda the inference
2 of will be top 4/5
Melb would have made finals barring injury
Ess yes prob should have got over them we re about same level , telling result

 

[Cdog71]

Not sure the teams u mentioned are like so crap that if you lose to them then you’re ratshit which was kinda the inference
2 of will be top 4/5
Melb would have made finals barring injury
Ess yes prob should have got over them we re about same level , telling result

That’s not what I mean.
The point is we aren’t making up ground on the better teams.
Those are our losses, I didnt include west coast because it was just a shocker.
Every oppo who was in the eight when we played them, we didn’t win.
I get it that the Teams that joined in 2022 have had a few more concessions than what we got and the national draft will hopefully spread the talent around.
But we play a certain way and although we lost McKinnon we were able to play pretty much with exactly the Team that was chosen. And we chose our players because we want to play a certain way.
It’s not standing up against good teams.
There’s 18 clubs, 13 of them have at least one Irish signing..nearly 3/4 of the comp.
We don’t have running players who take the game apart from Miller and Conti, Sheerin and Ellie.
We need more, IMO

Melbourne a top 8 team without injuries.
What about Geelong and they’re injuries to Prespakis at the start of the year and then Amy McDonald.

We had pretty much a full list and if those two hadve as well better than average chance we’d be less than a middling team.

I think we need a new direction.

 

[Bojangles17]

That’s not what I mean.
The point is we aren’t making up ground on the better teams.
Those are our losses, I didnt include west coast because it was just a shocker.
Every oppo who was in the eight when we played them, we didn’t win.
I get it that the Teams that joined in 2022 have had a few more concessions than what we got and the national draft will hopefully spread the talent around.
But we play a certain way and although we lost McKinnon we were able to play pretty much with exactly the Team that was chosen. And we chose our players because we want to play a certain way.
It’s not standing up against good teams.
There’s 18 clubs, 13 of them have at least one Irish signing..nearly 3/4 of the comp.
We don’t have running players who take the game apart from Miller and Conti, Sheerin and Ellie.
We need more, IMO

Melbourne a top 8 team without injuries.
What about Geelong and they’re injuries to Prespakis at the start of the year and then Amy McDonald.

We had pretty much a full list and if those two hadve as well better than average chance we’d be less than a middling team.

I think we need a new direction.

Our list has really had its chance , and we’re battled to make progress , lucky to make finals in the end . I’d be loathe to trade early pics , we need to get in first 2 rounds and hole like heck they’re decent the likes of haw and pa have warehoused 5+ decent young players , we have literally none ,,,Ellie Mc aside . We have got a chance as Ellie Moncon greiser McKinnon poppy are all young that we can build on

 

[Phar Ace]

It’s a bit more than that. Teams occupying the top 4 rungs of the ladder have a total buy in by every single player in the disciplines required to be elite athletes in what is supposed to be an elite competition but in reality isn’t.

This isn’t a club driven thing cause they don’t have the power only being able to demand 22 hours a week from players due to the CBA. This is a player driven thing outside club scope.

No doubt, we have players that are working their arse off. All of them? Not sure. For mine this is the major imbalance of AFLW. Every time I watch Brisbane and Adelaide I know I am watching a proper elite sporting team and it’s the players driving it. Yes they have access to bloody good talent but they do the work. No wonder they keep fighting for flags year after year.

Whilst I agree to some extent, most Clubs have some sort of 'buy-in' to whatever the team or Club ethos is. Only they decide what truly binds them.

We have one at AFLW, but we are now talking the quality of the ethos, and how it is applied. We all watched with great pride at the Richmond Man ethos that was very team-driven, and became whole-of-Club driven.

These things have been going on for decades in various forms, in various sports. Generally there in a nucleus of key people. These key people are generally highly looked up to, and they bring the whole group though. As these key people lose their effect or they leave, the ethos remains, but in a top down form, it prevails, but with different effect.

It's hard to build, harder to sustain, easy to lose.

I don't think the number of player hours is the problem, it's having the charismatic key people and how they expect and effect 'buy in'. It's building in our squad, but look who have left and how those players were not the right building blocks (bar Wakefield perhaps). That said, the best team ethos counts for little when the skills are sub-par. Our skills are sub par, across the squad.

I'm hearing North AFLW have it together right now in their squad, not just because of their obvious ladder and finals position, but from what I've heard from a player desperate to be a part of what is happening there right now. Time will tell.