AFLW Trade, Draft and list changes 2024

[Matthew2708]

Pretty clear now that, as the quality of draftees improves year after year, there are very few opportunities for recycled players. Especially difficult with squads of 30.

Only 2 drafted this year.

Paige Scott was a unique case choosing to go to the draft and getting picked up with pick 31.
Alana Gee pick 57 Gold Coast to St Kilda.

I think even for train on positions clubs will lean towards new faces thinking young players who just miss out on being drafted have a better upside than those who have been through the system already.

There were 2 delisted free agents as well (this was before draft night).

 

[toenail63]

what actually ended up happening with gee? thought i remembered her being a gun in her draft year

Injuries that have kept her out of action since then. It's good that Gee is getting another chance, for some players it's not easy to get back to the level especially if they have stellar junior careers and have serious injury before their career gets going. A lot of it is not the physical recovery, but the return to play at their previous level is a difficult path. Ellie Mac's injury where it's taken a long time with a rare type of muscle injury that she had, with pre and post surgery and recovery with some injuries you need a good support team. Maybe Gee thinks with a change of clubs she will get back quicker as she is still in recovery I believe.

 

[toenail63]

There were 2 delisted free agents as well (this was before draft night).

Keely Coyne and Jasmine Grierson, Hawks & Swans.

 

[sanaya]

Injuries that have kept her out of action since then. It's good that Gee is getting another chance, for some players it's not easy to get back to the level especially if they have stellar junior careers and have serious injury before their career gets going. A lot of it is not the physical recovery, but the return to play at their previous level is a difficult path. Ellie Mac's injury where it's taken a long time with a rare type of muscle injury that she had, with pre and post surgery and recovery with some injuries you need a good support team. Maybe Gee thinks with a change of clubs she will get back quicker as she is still in recovery I believe.

wouldn't have minded if we took a stab at her but i also have no idea how she has been travelling and i also have no idea who we have in mind for ssp

 

[toenail63]

wouldn't have minded if we took a stab at her but i also have no idea how she has been travelling and i also have no idea who we have in mind for ssp

Who we need on our list is probably another tall utility, and like this years draft next years draft is heavy at the top end of talented talls, a couple out of Victoria, a couple out of WA, and also a couple of QLD girls all going to be first round, or thereabouts, so 2025 a good draft to target a tall.

We could always use more speed and pressure on the list going forward which the game now demands.

 

[Cdog71]

I’m looking forward to seeing Grieves play and if we can improve on winning the ball and getting it forward, also being able to keep winning it if Conti is getting blanketed.
That’s probably the one knock I’ve got on Sheerin, she seemed to run her own race around the stoppage and isn’t big on releasing her teammates with handballs.
Hawthorn and their handballs in around the stoppage is pretty impressive more of that with us can bring out the talent in our good Mids and outside players.

I’m still disappointed that we’ll most likely lose Yassir, it’s taken so long to build and improve our list. After Ellie she’s been our most successful draftee IMO and to lose her and Sheerin at the same time would have been pretty deflating for the team.
Of course you need role players but Sheerin and Yassir are threats.
Beruldsen looks like she has a point of difference with her speed and Hargreaves looks a footballer.
I really don’t understand the Scott trade, we need to kick higher scores and Paige has scored 5 goals in her last 20 games.
Hopefully with a new environment she can produce more than that.
Only scoring 442 for the year, bundled outve of finals again and not being able to win a game against any opponent in the 8 we need more threats.
We got some really good talent and KB still has some footy left in her.
With a tougher draw I think making finals will be a good achievement, I just hope they start developing players in more than one role for the team next year, Hicks moved forward to cover Hosking but apart from that I think we missed a trick there in building for the future.

 

[Lord of the Wings]

Grieves and Hargreaves will be the best 2 young players we’ve ever drafted Sheerin was mature age when picked up.

 

[TigermanM2]

I’m looking forward to seeing Grieves play and if we can improve on winning the ball and getting it forward, also being able to keep winning it if Conti is getting blanketed.
That’s probably the one knock I’ve got on Sheerin, she seemed to run her own race around the stoppage and isn’t big on releasing her teammates with handballs.
Hawthorn and their handballs in around the stoppage is pretty impressive more of that with us can bring out the talent in our good Mids and outside players.

I’m still disappointed that we’ll most likely lose Yassir, it’s taken so long to build and improve our list. After Ellie she’s been our most successful draftee IMO and to lose her and Sheerin at the same time would have been pretty deflating for the team.
Of course you need role players but Sheerin and Yassir are threats.
Beruldsen looks like she has a point of difference with her speed and Hargreaves looks a footballer.
I really don’t understand the Scott trade, we need to kick higher scores and Paige has scored 5 goals in her last 20 games.
Hopefully with a new environment she can produce more than that.
Only scoring 442 for the year, bundled outve of finals again and not being able to win a game against any opponent in the 8 we need more threats.
We got some really good talent and KB still has some footy left in her.
With a tougher draw I think making finals will be a good achievement, I just hope they start developing players in more than one role for the team next year, Hicks moved forward to cover Hosking but apart from that I think we missed a trick there in building for the future.

I believe the instruction to Sheerin by our coaching team was to take the game on whenever she felt she could smash through tackles as it was so team rewarding when it came off. Didn't look great when it didn't but was successful more times than not. Yes she is super fit but will be 33 during the 2025 season and you wonder how long the bash and crash will last. As we've seen it can fall away pretty quickly.

Yassir seems pretty invested. Prominent in club media during the recent draft period. As it was said here before, if she still harbors any intent to move on we have a year to convince her that this is the place to be. I think if we have a good 2025 it might be a really hard call to move.

I think Scott might be a really good pick. Very very good mark and kick and whilst she hasn't kicked many goals might be that link player that we badly lack at half forward. So often we needed Katie or Caitlin way up the ground and then had nothing to kick to. Just a natural footballer. We definitely can do with those.

 

[Cdog71]

Yassir seems pretty invested. Prominent in club media during the recent draft period. As it was said here before, if she still harbors any intent to move on we have a year to convince her that this is the place to be. I think if we have a good 2025 it might be a really hard call to move.

That’s true and I hope so. I really like her she plays in starvation corner and is hungry all game, week in week out and when she gets her chance she makes it count. Pretty unusual conversion rate.
I hope your right about Scott, it does look a little like Ess don’t kick it to her.
Last year Toogood took a heap of marks but Scott was ave up near 6 tackles a game this year Toogood injury and Clarke but Scott’s numbers fell away and wasnt selected for the last few games. Maybe she was fed up with it.
I guess we’ll see, but when she’s on she is hard to deal with. Hopefully she gets her appetite back.

 

[toenail63]

I’m looking forward to seeing Grieves play and if we can improve on winning the ball and getting it forward, also being able to keep winning it if Conti is getting blanketed.
That’s probably the one knock I’ve got on Sheerin, she seemed to run her own race around the stoppage and isn’t big on releasing her teammates with handballs.

I don’t want to preempt what Grieves is going to contribute in her first season, but she is no bash and crash mid, more the escape artist, which she will find harder in AFLW, unlike Egan though she does know when to move into the oppo and negate HTB to halve stoppage, and her size helps her often get frees for, not sure if size or done deliberately. I’m sure she will adjust her game to AFLW, maybe means more stoppage then quick release but she won’t get caught HTB like Egan and given an inch of space will release Mon or Ellie like no one has done before.

 

[Cdog71]

I’d like to see this lineup

Seymour Graham
Lynch Hicks Miller
Hargreaves Egan Dempsey
Scott. McKenzie Grieser
Yassir Brennan

Poppy, Conti, Grieves
Int
McKinnon, Bacon, Ryan, Knoll,Shevlin
E
Hosking, Mclelland,Beruldsen.

It’s not that I think Ellie isn’t doing enough, but I really think there is so much more in her game than what we saw this year and how they play her.
I think she could be like a Kate Hoare for us.

 

[Lord of the Wings]

I’d like to see this lineup

Seymour Graham
Lynch Hicks Miller
Hargreaves Egan Dempsey
Scott. McKenzie Grieser
Yassir Brennan

Poppy, Conti, Grieves
Int
McKinnon, Bacon, Ryan, Knoll,Shevlin
E
Hosking, Mclelland,Beruldsen.

It’s not that I think Ellie isn’t doing enough, but I really think there is so much more in her game than what we saw this year and how they play her.
I think she could be like a Kate Hoare for us.

Graham and Egan need to be replaced in that team

 

[toenail63]

I’d like to see this lineup

Seymour Graham
Lynch Hicks Miller
Hargreaves Egan Dempsey
Scott. McKenzie Grieser
Yassir Brennan

Poppy, Conti, Grieves
Int
McKinnon, Bacon, Ryan, Knoll,Shevlin

Not sure that Hargreaves as the inside mid at U18 level will transfer to AFLW yet, she does equally as well on the flanks and don’t mind her on a wing, to start with anyway, until she matures.

McKenzie is so versatile can play her anywhere, having Egan, Ryan and Grieves as the only support for Mon I think is a bit problematic early days anyway but if this season is a sea change for our game style then development will be > win %.

Bacon needs to use her defence game and pressure skills to work herself into games, she also needs to feed to others as she works on/trains the attacking side of her game as well as her disposal. I think she needs to be down back. Also a consideration, should Ford be an option to be extra pressure forward?, as Yassir is not a 100% game time player yet, but do see that getting actual game time into Knoll has to happen this year also.

 

[Matthew2708]

One of the good things with Grieves and Hargreaves is that they have already played together. They shared the ball with each other around contests, so there is that chemistry/connection that may give them a slight advantage over other draftees from other clubs.

 

[Cdog71]

Not sure that Hargreaves as the inside mid at U18 level will transfer to AFLW yet, she does equally as well on the flanks and don’t mind her on a wing, to start with anyway, until she matures.

McKenzie is so versatile can play her anywhere, having Egan, Ryan and Grieves as the only support for Mon I think is a bit problematic early days anyway but if this season is a sea change for our game style then development will be > win %.

Bacon needs to use her defence game and pressure skills to work herself into games, she also needs to feed to others as she works on/trains the attacking side of her game as well as her disposal. I think she needs to be down back. Also a consideration, should Ford be an option to be extra pressure forward?, as Yassir is not a 100% game time player yet, but do see that getting actual game time into Knoll has to happen this year also.

Ellie had a pretty good start to the season and then the oppo just sat on her around stoppages. The final against Port for the first time in the season Sheerin started fwd,Hicks fwd Odea ran with McKenzie for alotve the first half, they sat on Conti and it worked against us. We gave them a head start on their own deck, it was coaching moves that failed for us and it really put us behind.
Our fwd line for most of the year was

Brennan
Hosking, Dellaway or Ryan
Grieser
Yassir,Ford

Dellaway is a def stoppage player at best, Ryan looks along way off it at the moment being young and Hosking and Ford kicked 7 goals between them in 20 games.
IMO we need more firepower.
Having small pressure fwds means you have less Ariel threats and the fact is Grieser prefers a chest mark.
I think we should start building our attack around a different player to Brennan.
I think Ellie has the potential to dominate.

 

[toenail63]

I think we should start building our attack around a different player to Brennan.
I think Ellie has the potential to dominate.

In Ellie's draft year she had that wow factor like Centra, but she wasn't a inside mid, or even the more rarer inside/outside mid, she was definitely outside, 'great run and carry, speed, size and marking' and also yes a goal kicker which we don't see enough of this from her. Not too many players can lock down Ellie but the chance is there if she is at the coal face. She is the type of player who needs to be on the periphery as first receiver if played in the midfield, wing, flank, anywhere with space, but has the height to play forward as well. A lot to work on as you say, with mids we are still one short of in our core group even with Grieves being the player we expect that she will be, need another high quality mid that is inside/outside, same as Mon and Sierra. Who knows maybe Hargreaves has the potential to be this player?

 

[sanaya]

In Ellie's draft year she had that wow factor like Centra, but she wasn't a inside mid, or even the more rarer inside/outside mid, she was definitely outside, 'great run and carry, speed, size and marking' and also yes a goal kicker which we don't see enough of this from her. Not too many players can lock down Ellie but the chance is there if she is at the coal face. She is the type of player who needs to be on the periphery as first receiver if played in the midfield, wing, flank, anywhere with space, but has the height to play forward as well. A lot to work on as you say, with mids we are still one short of in our core group even with Grieves being the player we expect that she will be, need another high quality mid that is inside/outside, same as Mon and Sierra. Who knows maybe Hargreaves has the potential to be this player?

me trying not to bring up wicksteed mid for the umpteenth time

 

[Matthew2708]

me trying not to bring up wicksteed mid for the umpteenth time

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What the? I just saw that image the other day and the story behind it.
He was sitting next to a girl that he liked (the girl in the photo) and he was desperately trying to hold in a fart.

 

[Bojangles17]

I believe the instruction to Sheerin by our coaching team was to take the game on whenever she felt she could smash through tackles as it was so team rewarding when it came off. Didn't look great when it didn't but was successful more times than not. Yes she is super fit but will be 33 during the 2025 season and you wonder how long the bash and crash will last. As we've seen it can fall away pretty quickly.

Yassir seems pretty invested. Prominent in club media during the recent draft period. As it was said here before, if she still harbors any intent to move on we have a year to convince her that this is the place to be. I think if we have a good 2025 it might be a really hard call to move.

I think Scott might be a really good pick. Very very good mark and kick and whilst she hasn't kicked many goals might be that link player that we badly lack at half forward. So often we needed Katie or Caitlin way up the ground and then had nothing to kick to. Just a natural footballer. We definitely can do with those.

Right about sheerin I’d suspect she was encouraged to play to strengths and break tackles, certainly got caught her share of times , wouldnt surprise at all If she went back to HB at norf. I too am excited at prospect of Scott really changing our f50 mix that has been as flat as a pancake for a while now , adds that bash and crash with good size to take a clutch mark . At 20yo we can reasonably expect that best footy is ahead

 

[toenail63]

AFL.COM.AU Best 21, 2025

Look away #sanaya

The Tigers effectively bedded down their defence in 2024, and the combination of Bec Miller, Libby Graham, Issy Bacon, Gabby Seymour, and Beth Lynch appears unlikely to change next year. The same goes for wing duo Tessa Lavey and Kate Dempsey, with bench rotation Maddie Shevlin. It is through the midfield and forward lines where change is most likely. No.11 draft pick Sierra Grieves is primed to take her place alongside Monique Conti and Ellie McKenzie on the ball, complementing their skillsets beautifully, and pushing Grace Egan to the bench. Poppy Kelly will keep her hands on the No.1 ruck spot, but Montana McKinnon will certainly come into the team once back from her ACL injury, with McKinnon able to offer defensive support when necessary, and Kelly the same but up forward. Paige Scott will also be a neat mid-sized attacking option between smalls Emelia Yassir and McKenzie Ford, and talls Katie Brennan and Caitlin Greiser.

B: Rebecca Miller, Libby Graham
HB: Isabel Bacon, Gabby Seymour, Beth Lynch
C: Tessa Lavey, Sierra Grieves, Kate Dempsey
HF: Emelia Yassir, Katie Brennan, Mackenzie Ford
F: Paige Scott, Caitlin Greiser
Foll: Poppy Kelly, Monique Conti, Ellie McKenzie
I/C: Montana McKinnon, Sarah Hosking, Grace Egan, Jodie Hicks, Maddie Shevlin

Depth: Charli Wicksteed, Montana Beruldsen, Zoe Hargreaves, Charly Ryan, Shelby Knoll, Ally Dallaway, Katelyn Cox, Laura McClelland

*Richmond still has one list spot to fill

https://www.afl.com.au/aflw/news/1263990/your-clubs-best-21-whos-in-whos-out-whos-new

 

[Bojangles17]

AFL.COM.AU Best 21, 2025

Look away #sanaya

The Tigers effectively bedded down their defence in 2024, and the combination of Bec Miller, Libby Graham, Issy Bacon, Gabby Seymour, and Beth Lynch appears unlikely to change next year. The same goes for wing duo Tessa Lavey and Kate Dempsey, with bench rotation Maddie Shevlin. It is through the midfield and forward lines where change is most likely. No.11 draft pick Sierra Grieves is primed to take her place alongside Monique Conti and Ellie McKenzie on the ball, complementing their skillsets beautifully, and pushing Grace Egan to the bench. Poppy Kelly will keep her hands on the No.1 ruck spot, but Montana McKinnon will certainly come into the team once back from her ACL injury, with McKinnon able to offer defensive support when necessary, and Kelly the same but up forward. Paige Scott will also be a neat mid-sized attacking option between smalls Emelia Yassir and McKenzie Ford, and talls Katie Brennan and Caitlin Greiser.

B: Rebecca Miller, Libby Graham
HB: Isabel Bacon, Gabby Seymour, Beth Lynch
C: Tessa Lavey, Sierra Grieves, Kate Dempsey
HF: Emelia Yassir, Katie Brennan, Mackenzie Ford
F: Paige Scott, Caitlin Greiser
Foll: Poppy Kelly, Monique Conti, Ellie McKenzie
I/C: Montana McKinnon, Sarah Hosking, Grace Egan, Jodie Hicks, Maddie Shevlin

Depth: Charli Wicksteed, Montana Beruldsen, Zoe Hargreaves, Charly Ryan, Shelby Knoll, Ally Dallaway, Katelyn Cox, Laura McClelland

*Richmond still has one list spot to fill

https://www.afl.com.au/aflw/news/1263990/your-clubs-best-21-whos-in-whos-out-whos-new

Hosking shouldn’t be a lock in the side

 

[Cdog71]

I know it sounds a little dramatic but I think this should be the make or break season for Ferg and the direction of the FD.
We put Sheerin in the middle and brought in Hicks and played Ford but if you look at the net result…to me it just looks like shuffling deck chairs.
Melb over the last two season have lost
Birch premiership player this year
Gay AA this year
Eliza West AA this year.
We would be on our ass if we lost three players of that calibre.
They didn’t play finals but we couldn’t beat them this year and if it wasn’t for them putting the cue in the rack and Grieser kicking three goals in the last two min it would have been an embarrassing result.
We haven’t been able to attract talent from other clubs and I think we’ve missed a trick not going after Harris.

 

[Tortured Tiger]

I know it sounds a little dramatic but I think this should be the make or break season for Ferg and the direction of the FD.
We put Sheerin in the middle and brought in Hicks and played Ford but if you look at the net result…to me it just looks like shuffling deck chairs.
Melb over the last two season have lost
Birch premiership player this year
Gay AA this year
Eliza West AA this year.
We would be on our ass if we lost three players of that calibre.
They didn’t play finals but we couldn’t beat them this year and if it wasn’t for them putting the cue in the rack and Grieser kicking three goals in the last two min it would have been an embarrassing result.
We haven’t been able to attract talent from other clubs and I think we’ve missed a trick not going after Harris.

I understand where you are coming from but in fairness if you compare our record to most clubs who started from 2020 onwards our record is as good or better than most of them. The original teams have dominated up to now. Even North who joined one year earlier were given much bigger concessions when they joined the competition.

 

[toenail63]

I know it sounds a little dramatic but I think this should be the make or break season for Ferg and the direction of the FD.
We put Sheerin in the middle and brought in Hicks and played Ford but if you look at the net result…to me it just looks like shuffling deck chairs.

We would be on our ass if we lost three players of that calibre.

There has to be some method to the madness. It’s one thing plugging holes but more important to train and play a winning game style, and you also need player depth. You also need your stars, but also need not to rely solely on them, so re Melbourne they are one club that in losing a few is a small bump in the road and they’ll come back relatively quickly.

Re direction there are some areas we need to work on getting better. Our consistency with the ball in hand is poor, as highlighted in consecutive fixture games, between our highest ever win v Collingwood to our loss first up to West Coast.

Disposal Efficiency 64.8% dropped to 53.5%
Efficiency inside 50 dropped from 71.1% to 47.1%
Uncontested possession dropped from +40 to -6.

The constants in our games are contested ball, clearance, and tackles inside forward 50. We have improved in Hit Outs.

Our AFLW team play a game where we can cause turnover through our disposal. There is a correlation between success in moving the ball, or transitioning, and having transition players on your list, e.g. Tom Stewart, Jayden Short, even James Trezise in VFL, are highly skilled transition players. Jack Ziebell was also a skilled transition player, so now as a coach at the Tigers will be handy for our defenders and flankers. Most transition begins from oppo turnover, so you not only have to be good at not turning the ball over yourself but drilling your team to gain turnover from the oppo with full ground pressure.

Other than inside 50, our pressure needs to improve. To me this is an area of concern and along with being able to transition, this can be a list build issue. The best teams have a balance between stoppage and transition. We are not bad at contest and clearance in our women’s team, but can improve. FYI, Our mens team in our premiership years did not have that balance, i.e. we weren’t a great stoppage team but a great pressure team, and a great transition team. The following stat show this in the first instance just how we were able to play a different, and successful game style with a list that allowed us to do this. Other teams couldn’t do this with the lists that they had.

 

[Cdog71]

There has to be some method to the madness. It’s one thing plugging holes but more important to train and play a winning game style, and you also need player depth. You also need your stars, but also need not to rely solely on them, so re Melbourne they are one club that in losing a few is a small bump in the road and they’ll come back relatively quickly.

Re direction there are some areas we need to work on getting better. Our consistency with the ball in hand is poor, as highlighted in consecutive fixture games, between our highest ever win v Collingwood to our loss first up to West Coast.

Disposal Efficiency 64.8% dropped to 53.5%
Efficiency inside 50 dropped from 71.1% to 47.1%
Uncontested possession dropped from +40 to -6.

The constants in our games are contested ball, clearance, and tackles inside forward 50. We have improved in Hit Outs.

Our AFLW team play a game where we can cause turnover through our disposal. There is a correlation between success in moving the ball, or transitioning, and having transition players on your list, e.g. Tom Stewart, Jayden Short, even James Trezise in VFL, are highly skilled transition players. Jack Ziebell was also a skilled transition player, so now as a coach at the Tigers will be handy for our defenders and flankers. Most transition begins from oppo turnover, so you not only have to be good at not turning the ball over yourself but drilling your team to gain turnover from the oppo with full ground pressure.

Other than inside 50, our pressure needs to improve. To me this is an area of concern and along with being able to transition, this can be a list build issue. The best teams have a balance between stoppage and transition. We are not bad at contest and clearance in our women’s team, but can improve. FYI, Our mens team in our premiership years did not have that balance, i.e. we weren’t a great stoppage team but a great pressure team, and a great transition team. The following stat show this in the first instance just how we were able to play a different, and successful game style with a list that allowed us to do this. Other teams couldn’t do this with the lists that they had.

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Last seasons final game against Collingwood, they had to win to make finals and the way they setup around the ball and their approach was lose by ten or win by two, they lost by ten.
Melbourne are a good example and the litmus test for us I think.
The way they block it up around the stoppage and sit behind the ball, they’re very hard to score against.
When Crows played them they had Randall playing one out a kick infront trying to win 1v1 to get the ball fwd.
I’ve mentioned before the way Hawks H/ball the ball around the stoppage to get it fwd or get it to Lucas-Rodd just behind the play and then everyone hits the go button.
We don’t seem to have a system, we look like we just try and out talent the oppo and it isnt damaging enough.
If he doesn’t start developing versatility in more players than just Gabby to a lockdown def and he can’t attract talent, I think Ferg needs to go if we don’t win a final next year.
6 seasons (?) and no finals wins…that’s poor.