AFLW Trade, Draft and list changes 2024

[toenail63]

We don’t seem to have a system, we look like we just try and out talent the oppo and it isnt damaging enough.
If he doesn’t start developing versatility in more players than just Gabby to a lockdown def and he can’t attract talent, I think Ferg needs to go if we don’t win a final next year.
6 seasons (?) and no finals wins…that’s poor.

We rely on being set up behind the ball but too often get caught out on the rebound on turnover, giving oppo player’s the 1v1 they are looking for. I’m not sure Ferg does too much different in set up, but he does make positional changes that have you scratching your head, mainly moving a player on a wing and a prayer who has held up a position, and he doesn’t always use the bench to advantage. He’s been around long enough now he should have the handle on team selection and match day planning around specific oppo so much that the spotlight will be well and truly on team performance this year. A drop off to miss finals or making a final and losing again should be his death knell. Scott Gowans is a great AFLW coach, who was sacked by North in 2020 as an efficiency measure in their coaching budget, and they’ve gone on to a premiership.

Listening to Darren Crocker in an interview after their win, he placed credit on the foundations that had been laid, including Scott, but also what struck me was that only 9 players from that list were still on the list that played in the GF. He said that he was lucky that those 9 players, the top end talent, drove the growth needed to go to the next level, and were thoroughly invested. He said that the list build that added to the 9 were sourced by going youth at the draft, recruiting some great young players who injected that enthusiasm of youth, and that also during covid the lower league levels were bare cupboards, so they invested heavily in the Irish Gaelic footballers instead. They then targeted trades for players like Kim Rennie and Libby Birch. Worked for them.

Norths youth.

FYI: Players drafted post that 2020 season from Coates (NAB) league, who played in their GF were Bella Eddey, Amy Smith, Tess Craven, Taylah Gatt, and Alice O’Loughlin.

It kind of feels that we are 3 - 4 years behind North, not the 2 years we should be, however we did not cover ourselves in glory in that early list build.

 

[Bojangles17]

I know it sounds a little dramatic but I think this should be the make or break season for Ferg and the direction of the FD.
We put Sheerin in the middle and brought in Hicks and played Ford but if you look at the net result…to me it just looks like shuffling deck chairs.
Melb over the last two season have lost
Birch premiership player this year
Gay AA this year
Eliza West AA this year.
We would be on our ass if we lost three players of that calibre.
They didn’t play finals but we couldn’t beat them this year and if it wasn’t for them putting the cue in the rack and Grieser kicking three goals in the last two min it would have been an embarrassing result.
We haven’t been able to attract talent from other clubs and I think we’ve missed a trick not going after Harris.

I think so , we undelivered when it counted , belted PA 5/6w earlier , made them look sec rate literally , then it when it counted they turned the tables ,,,for a mature side not good enough
I wonder if Hammer has genuine ambition, if so , I’d like to see him step up

 

[Cdog71]

FYI: Players drafted post that 2020 season from Coates (NAB) league, who played in their GF were Bella Eddey, Amy Smith, Tess Craven, Taylah Gatt, and Alice O’Loughlin.

It kind of feels that we are 3 - 4 years behind North, not the 2 years we should be, however we did not cover ourselves in glory in that early list build.

I’m speculating but looking back it does look like we had a problem on our hands inside the team or conflicting ideas or personalities.
Our inaugural coach was the vflw coach of the year then sacked after one season.
Phobe Monahan delisted, not even an attempt at a trade. She came straight into our leadership group, played really well then cut.
She was pissed at the way she was treated and went on to be a really reliable consistent player.
Alice Edmonds delisted, a high quality Ruck who preformed well for us. No trade.
Cordner, ok we got something for her but we brought her in to fill the spot Monahan was playing and then we cut her after 12 games.
Strange.
The fact that Brennan would have played with and against plenty of the high quality players that have built the league but it seems none of those players want to come to play with her is strange.
That 2020 draft we picked up Ellie but we were also given another first rounder by the afl as well that we had to trade for a player. We got Sarah Hosking then we go after Jess Hosking the next season only to cut her after 20 odd games. Why would ya?
The 2020 draft/trade the Fredrick trade gave us the pick we collected Yassir with and that’s a win but we came within a hairs breadth of losing her, it looks likely she’ll leave and then Sheehan comes out and says it’s a great outcome.
It’s a long flipping way from a good outcome but the Fredrick trade was a win.
We cut Monahan and gave pick 17 to Melb for Cordner a like for like that cost us drafting a player that could be impacting now. Why?
Alice Olaughlin went #22 in that draft.
All the players you listed we had an opportunity to pick them but we were to busy having to shuffle the deck chairs.
Our leaders, our main leaders are
Brennan
Ferg
Sheehan.

I think we’ve built our whole team around Brennan and it hasn’t delivered as high a result as we had hoped and perhaps has had an enormous influence that’s had unintended consequences.

I think Alicia Eva (GWS) is a future Coach and someone we should look at, if we change coaches and if we do then Sheehan should go with him and we bring in a highly respected football person and just some sport administrator like her.

 

[Profop]

Alice Edmonds didn’t look like coming close to half the player she is now when we let her go

Can get behind a lot of the rest

I think our main issue in reality is that we just haven’t drafted well. If we’d hit a few more of our picks (even as just solid players) then we’d be feeling a lot happier about the state of the team

 

[toenail63]

I’m speculating but looking back it does look like we had a problem on our hands inside the team or conflicting ideas or personalities.

If so which is feasible, then that's on the administration and not having competent personnel running the program.
You don't let the lunatics run the asylum.

Our VFLW coach was out the door but the recruiter remained, there were many stuff ups, but early days the coach was also seemingly doing too much activity within too small a group, spreading himself too thin. Leave the list management etc to others and remain focused solely on task, coaching and match day. The decision to only fill our inaugural list from our VFLW team? and that your recruiter was also a team member of that VFLW team! Amateur hour.

Some of those player movements you highlight, comes back somewhat to my first point, I think we were playing too free and easy with list build, and some player personalities would not have been on the list if we vetted, wasn't entirely avoidable but actions need to be strong, messaging strong, and being on top of potential blow ups imperative. That's why with this latest with Eilish Sheerin and Yassir raises the eyebrows, this should have been on your radar, dealt with regardless whether result favorable or not, much earlier and not let fester.

On Brennan, I think early list build some did come for Brennan. Bernadi, Darcy, probably Hosking, more so then some other high profile AFLW players like T Harris or Vecchio could ever do, but KB's strengths seem to be more a motherly, nurturing type. Doesn't appear to me to have the toughness of a Daisy Pearce though, but that can be worked on.

Re Hosking twins, In my head we trade SH to WC for one of the many surplus tall youth they have on their list. Decent ones too.

Past sins can be laid squarely at the feet higher up the COC also, being set up for failure more common than what you think, and people rising to their level of incompetence all too real, all point to a lack of preparation. Years on, is now where we are at in the quest to become a top AFLW team, the benchmark to this progress is in comparison with peers. I think we are at the tipping point and by mid season next year we will know one way or another if a full blown program/personnel change or just a reset is needed. This is where I admire Melbourne, they reset once, win a premiership, lose Daisy and other stars, reset and go again, that's their normal, successful tweaking points to having highly competent personnel right across their program who know what they are doing, so a lot that we can take from what they do, and also what North have done.

 

[toenail63]

We cut Monahan and gave pick 17 to Melb for Cordner a like for like that cost us drafting a player that could be impacting now. Why?

Yep, We could have drafted Laura Gardiner who went with pick 20, or Alice O’Loughlin as you mention went at pick 22.

We also then doubled down, and in a 3 way trade with Carlton & St Kilda, we gave up Cordner and our pick 14 for Greiser.

 

[TigermanM2]

Phobe Monahan delisted, not even an attempt at a trade. She came straight into our leadership group, played really well then cut.
She was pissed at the way she was treated and went on to be a really reliable consistent player.
Alice Edmonds delisted, a high quality Ruck who preformed well for us. No trade.
Cordner, ok we got something for her but we brought her in to fill the spot Monahan was playing and then we cut her after 12 games.
Strange.

Firstly I don't think its any secret that Ferg needs a very good year next year. He's had long enough now.

On the others...

Monahan was a good player but there was a whole lot more to her departure than meets the eye. I'll just say her leaving didn't create waves among the playing group and leave it at that.

Alice Edmonds is one of those hindsight examples. When she was with us she was a long way from AFLW level. First hands on the ball because she was among the tallest in AFLW but that's about it. Very few questioned her delisting at the time. Credit to her. She has got herself to a level not many thought she could achieve. Not sure she could have made us any better anyway. Hope she continues with it.

Cordner did her knee and spend all year rehabbing with Hannah Burchell. More often than not you give players coming back from ACL's another year but we didn't with Hannah. Consequently, Cordner was absolutely filthy when Burchell was cut and she wanted out. We didn't cut her at all, in fact, it took us by surprise.

 

[Cdog71]

The decision to only fill our inaugural list from our VFLW team? and that your recruiter was also a team member of that VFLW team! Amateur hour.

Tesoriero was the sortve past it maggoo you get warned about as a junior playing your first senior game.
Her getting a run ahead of Jess Kennedy the inaugural Captain and best and fairest winner was another decision that stinks.
She walked after that. Was 28.

Whether it’s mistakes in putting the right people in place or personality conflicts either of those coupled with the impacts of the Covid lockdowns and then the concessions for new incoming teams it’s resulted in a really slow build that’s been two steps forward and one back nearly every season that seems to have a zero net gain compared the successful clubs.

Like I’ve said, Melbourne is the litmus test for us.
I hope we play them next season.

 

[toenail63]

Cordner did her knee and spend all year rehabbing with Hannah Burchell. More often than not you give players coming back from ACL's another year but we didn't with Hannah. Consequently, Cordner was absolutely filthy when Burchell was cut and she wanted out. We didn't cut her at all, in fact, it took us by surprise.

Some great insight TM2,

Other than being in rehab together, not sure why Cordner would be filthy over a replacement player in Hannah being cut, enough to quit the club, or do I have that wrong with Hannah?

 

[toenail63]

Tesoriero was the sortve past it maggoo you get warned about as a junior playing your first senior game.
Her getting a run ahead of Jess Kennedy the inaugural Captain and best and fairest winner was another decision that stinks.
She walked after that. Was 28.

Whether it’s mistakes in putting the right people in place or personality conflicts either of those coupled with the impacts of the Covid lockdowns and then the concessions for new incoming teams it’s resulted in a really slow build that’s been two steps forward and one back nearly every season that seems to have a zero net gain compared the successful clubs.

Like I’ve said, Melbourne is the litmus test for us.
I hope we play them next season.

https://www.afl.com.au/aflw/news/12...l be working under,up and attract star talent.

This change won't be fully effective until the 2027 season, but is the first stage along with the National draft in an equalisation strategy which should help with player movement, which is stifled compared to the mens, with free agency rules and future picks in play with trades, this is a problem that the AFL has created for the women's league.

I think that in the time being the tier system will stay and be more for minimum lower tier players and this increase of $100,000 per club per year will grow larger and the ability to stack teams without the capping of additional service agreements will now become more difficult being capped.

The big change coming for AFLW's top earners in 2025
In another evolution of the AFLW competition, players' additional income from endorsement deals will be capped from 2025 onwards
By Riley Beveridge
Dec 19, 2024, 5:00am

AFLW stars Alyce Parker, Monique Conti, Ebony Marinoff and Emily Bates. Pictures: AFL Photos
THE HIGHEST paid AFLW players will begin to have their earnings capped from next season, as clubs start to look ahead to the change in the Additional Services Agreement (ASA) rules for next year and beyond.

 

[TigermanM2]

Some great insight TM2,

Other than being in rehab together, not sure why Cordner would be filthy over a replacement player in Hannah being cut, enough to quit the club, or do I have that wrong with Hannah?

Almost. Hannah was initially signed in 2018 by Geelong as a pre listed free agent. (She is a local Ocean Grove girl and played with Geelong's VFLW side). She was cut by Geelong after one game in 2019 and we signed her as a delisted free agent before our first season in 2020 so she wasn't a replacement but had a proper list spot.

I guess players bond after spending the year rehabbing the same injury and Cordner felt we did the wrong thing. From a football perspective we made the correct call. The only strange thing about this episode was Cordner's reaction.

Hannah was back playing VFLW with Geelong this year.

 

[Cdog71]

Almost. Hannah was initially signed in 2018 by Geelong as a pre listed free agent. (She is a local Ocean Grove girl and played with Geelong's VFLW side). She was cut by Geelong after one game in 2019 and we signed her as a delisted free agent before our first season in 2020 so she wasn't a replacement but had a proper list spot.

I guess players bond after spending the year rehabbing the same injury and Cordner felt we did the wrong thing. From a football perspective we made the correct call. The only strange thing about this episode was Cordner's reaction.

Hannah was back playing VFLW with Geelong this year.

She might’ve been just below the top level but it was a great to read how the commitment to being a paramedic and working some nights of the week and getting to training and playing.
She was sweet kick of the footy if she had the time.

 

[Bojangles17]

I’m speculating but looking back it does look like we had a problem on our hands inside the team or conflicting ideas or personalities.
Our inaugural coach was the vflw coach of the year then sacked after one season.
Phobe Monahan delisted, not even an attempt at a trade. She came straight into our leadership group, played really well then cut.
She was pissed at the way she was treated and went on to be a really reliable consistent player.
Alice Edmonds delisted, a high quality Ruck who preformed well for us. No trade.
Cordner, ok we got something for her but we brought her in to fill the spot Monahan was playing and then we cut her after 12 games.
Strange.
The fact that Brennan would have played with and against plenty of the high quality players that have built the league but it seems none of those players want to come to play with her is strange.
That 2020 draft we picked up Ellie but we were also given another first rounder by the afl as well that we had to trade for a player. We got Sarah Hosking then we go after Jess Hosking the next season only to cut her after 20 odd games. Why would ya?
The 2020 draft/trade the Fredrick trade gave us the pick we collected Yassir with and that’s a win but we came within a hairs breadth of losing her, it looks likely she’ll leave and then Sheehan comes out and says it’s a great outcome.
It’s a long flipping way from a good outcome but the Fredrick trade was a win.
We cut Monahan and gave pick 17 to Melb for Cordner a like for like that cost us drafting a player that could be impacting now. Why?
Alice Olaughlin went #22 in that draft.
All the players you listed we had an opportunity to pick them but we were to busy having to shuffle the deck chairs.
Our leaders, our main leaders are
Brennan
Ferg
Sheehan.

I think we’ve built our whole team around Brennan and it hasn’t delivered as high a result as we had hoped and perhaps has had an enormous influence that’s had unintended consequences.

I think Alicia Eva (GWS) is a future Coach and someone we should look at, if we change coaches and if we do then Sheehan should go with him and we bring in a highly respected football person and just some sport administrator like her.

I don’t think cliques within the team are unique to RFC sounds like it’s inherent within the W comp , tbh the churn on our list has been well < large Vic peer clubs . So I’m not convinced that’s where the problem lies , we haven’t recruited very well , maybe ok but nothing special and I think our coaching impact has plateaud, look what the hawks did under new coach

 

[Bojangles17]

https://www.afl.com.au/aflw/news/12...l be working under,up and attract star talent.

This change won't be fully effective until the 2027 season, but is the first stage along with the National draft in an equalisation strategy which should help with player movement, which is stifled compared to the mens, with free agency rules and future picks in play with trades, this is a problem that the AFL has created for the women's league.

I think that in the time being the tier system will stay and be more for minimum lower tier players and this increase of $100,000 per club per year will grow larger and the ability to stack teams without the capping of additional service agreements will now become more difficult being capped.

The big change coming for AFLW's top earners in 2025
In another evolution of the AFLW competition, players' additional income from endorsement deals will be capped from 2025 onwards
By Riley Beveridge
Dec 19, 2024, 5:00am

AFLW stars Alyce Parker, Monique Conti, Ebony Marinoff and Emily Bates. Pictures: AFL Photos
THE HIGHEST paid AFLW players will begin to have their earnings capped from next season, as clubs start to look ahead to the change in the Additional Services Agreement (ASA) rules for next year and beyond.

Suspect Mon would be on a huge ASA with us

 

[Phar Ace]

Hosking shouldn’t be a lock in the side

Agreed! Needs only, surely.

 

[Phar Ace]

I understand where you are coming from but in fairness if you compare our record to most clubs who started from 2020 onwards our record is as good or better than most of them. The original teams have dominated up to now. Even North who joined one year earlier were given much bigger concessions when they joined the competition.

And yet we were beaten by Port when it mattered, Hawthorn beat us and looked better, West Coast out-coached and beat us, and couldn't beat Essendon even though..... well you know the Richmond story. That leaves asking whether we would have beaten StKilda and / or Gold Coast. I think the answer is it depends on the day, or worse, how we are coached that day. I am surprised Ferg still has his job. I like Ferg, he's a good bloke, the girls like Ferg. We'll be better with a better coach though.

 

[Phar Ace]

Alice Edmonds didn’t look like coming close to half the player she is now when we let her go

Can get behind a lot of the rest

I think our main issue in reality is that we just haven’t drafted well. If we’d hit a few more of our picks (even as just solid players) then we’d be feeling a lot happier about the state of the team

I beg to differ on Alice Edmonds. I said at the time of here DELISTING, the signs were there, that she was worth getting some more games into. Her kick was neat enough at that stage, her hands just needed to start clunking marks, and that was always going to be a confidence thing for her around her young body.

Monahan played out her last season at Port, came in for the odd game. She went from match winner to unwanted in quick time. Dare I say one the hardest things to manage in the AFLW is personal relationships, and we are not just talking between players.

 

[Bojangles17]

I beg to differ on Alice Edmonds. I said at the time of here DELISTING, the signs were there, that she was worth getting some more games into. Her kick was neat enough at that stage, her hands just needed to start clunking marks, and that was always going to be a confidence thing for her around her young body.

Monahan played out her last season at Port, came in for the odd game. She went from match winner to unwanted in quick time. Dare I say one the hardest things to manage in the AFLW is personal relationships, and we are not just talking between players.

Yea but she wouldn’t make a diff , I’d argue at a minimum that poppy is equally as good

 

[Phar Ace]

Yea but she wouldn’t make a diff , I’d argue at a minimum that poppy is equally as good

Not arguing that now, it was more symptomatic of our decision making at the time. That said, we were going into some games with D'arcy as our back up ruck to Gabby, and bleeding down back times. Sometimes the dominoes......

 

[Cdog71]

https://www.afl.com.au/aflw/news/1263810/the-big-change-coming-for-aflws-top-earners-in-2025#:~:text=Clubs will be working under,up and attract star talent.

This change won't be fully effective until the 2027 season, but is the first stage along with the National draft in an equalisation strategy which should help with player movement, which is stifled compared to the mens, with free agency rules and future picks in play with trades, this is a problem that the AFL has created for the women's league.

I think that in the time being the tier system will stay and be more for minimum lower tier players and this increase of $100,000 per club per year will grow larger and the ability to stack teams without the capping of additional service agreements will now become more difficult being capped.

The big change coming for AFLW's top earners in 2025
In another evolution of the AFLW competition, players' additional income from endorsement deals will be capped from 2025 onwards
By Riley Beveridge
Dec 19, 2024, 5:00am

AFLW stars Alyce Parker, Monique Conti, Ebony Marinoff and Emily Bates. Pictures: AFL Photos
THE HIGHEST paid AFLW players will begin to have their earnings capped from next season, as clubs start to look ahead to the change in the Additional Services Agreement (ASA) rules for next year and beyond.

They will honour existing contracts.
Conti signed another contract this year what was a little more quiet was so did Brennan.

I think Brennan is a great player who’s coming to the end of their career, she’s probably been great in a marketing sense and she’s a good public speaker.
Sheerin was in some ways the inspirational player on the field.

It’ll be interest to see who steps into that.
I really liked the way Ellie got reported for wrestling Kate Hoare this season, obviously didn’t like the chat.
Shes 22 now and a big strong athlete If she stays healthy and believes it could be a ripper season for her.

 

[Bojangles17]

They will honour existing contracts.
Conti signed another contract this year what was a little more quiet was so did Brennan.

I think Brennan is a great player who’s coming to the end of their career, she’s probably been great in a marketing sense and she’s a good public speaker.
Sheerin was in some ways the inspirational player on the field.

It’ll be interest to see who steps into that.
I really liked the way Ellie got reported for wrestling Kate Hoare this season, obviously didn’t like the chat.
Shes 22 now and a big strong athlete If she stays healthy and believes it could be a ripper season for her.

How long did mon sign for

 

[Stan Judkins]

How long did mon sign for

until 2027.........and yes she's on monster money, about $250K all up

 

[Profop]

With the list size the way it was there’s no way you could have kept Edmonds on the list. She couldn’t mark the ball

 

[sanaya]

With the list size the way it was there’s no way you could have kept Edmonds on the list. She couldn’t mark the ball

needed that extra spot for molan

 

[Bojangles17]

until 2027.........and yes she's on monster money, about $250K all up

That would mean > 100k in ASA which would appear to have been no limits on 2 select players