List Mgmt. Trade & F/A - 2020

[Silky23]

The bits I'd hate would be ANY DRAFTING OF INJURY PRONE PLAYERS.
So....Wood..nup, Paddy..definitely NOT, Brown.....see ya later.
As for picks for Shaz???? who's gonna give us a pick for a bloke thats played 1/10 games during his career?

Sorry mate, you're dreaming.

Mason Wood and Paddy are worth it on rookie contracts. Worth nothing, reward is huge.

And Ben Brown has missed 3 games in his 106 game career before realistically he was dropped bc of form??? LOL durable as f***

Shaz is a former top 6 pick who we continually play as a lockdown defender. He could thrive as an intercept player, he's devoid of all confidence with us. Never heard of a fresh start?

I'm not dreaming, you're just not open to the idea so we'll continually never get better.

 

[No SPIN]

Harrison Petty is out of contract. Not likely but worth the enquiry. Can play both ends.

I asked about him last week on the
Melb board and was told he’s injured with groin issues, but hasn’t re-signed.

 

[stormskye]

Great. Let someone overpay for Elliott. Under contract now so we'll take some draft picks and turn it into a KFP signing.

Also just looking at the draft, we get McInnes (192 and 84) as an inside MID and Daicos (183cm) who is potentially top 5 the year after, I didn't realise that. McInnes has the size to go straightaway.

Perryman is a HUGE upgrade on Philips, so much more damaging and he kicks goals. Tick.
Still think we go after Hately/RCD, we need another BIG inside MID whom can even the contest.

Then we grab Brown. I also am warming to the suggestion of rookie drafting McCartin.

We have a 2020 first, second (tied to RICH), third (tied to NM so nearly a late second), fourth (tied to Saints) and a fifth. We should be able to utilise our later picks to nab McInnes as a bid with protecting our 2020 first. Looking likely we'll have a top 12 pick but with all the NGA's and Father/Son this will blow out.

Trade our 2020 first, 2021 first (healthy list we finish top 4) for Hately and Perryman and 2 future picks back
Trade 2 future picks onwards to Norf for Brown
Rookie select Paddy
Draft McInnes and rookie draft a mature age pressure forward.
Get Daicos year after
Not to mention picks we could get for Philips, Shaz etc that we could use in this draft however I am tempted to trade them on for players due the draft being so compromised. I also don't mind going after Mason Wood, he's a nice size and could complement Mihocek nicely in the right system. Would cost us nothing

Could potentially even hunt a Gunston type.

Would anyone hate that? Ideally stocking our KPF depth, getting McInnes and Daicos and nabbing some players (Hately, Wood, pressure forward) who would instantly make us better and grabbing Perryman (elite prospect)

Lots to digest there. I mean, are perryman and hately gettable? Do they want out?

If daicos is potential top 5 next year, we are going to need a fair few points is my understanding.

 

[loki04]

Knightmare
You’ve spoken about Cameron or Cox playing back.
What are your thoughts on Lynch who in addition to height has a huge tank?

Unrelated to this is our need for a strategy to limit Nic Nat - do you see a strategy where both Grundy and Lynch (who have huge tanks ) effectively quelling Nic Nat and limit his influence - as WC did with Vardy and Lycett against Grundy in the 2018 GF.

Not really because his effectiveness comes from how clean his center bounce and palm work is then his rover like follow up/physicality.

Also WC dont run him 100% solo, he will get rest periods anyway.

Hard to stop NN at the center bounces cause no one can *regularly* out jump him.

 

[Silky23]

Lots to digest there. I mean, are perryman and hately gettable? Do they want out?

If daicos is potential top 5 next year, we are going to need a fair few points is my understanding.

Perryman OOC, Hately can't get a game. I'd suggest Hately would be looking for greener pastures elsewhere seeing as Giants have shown already they'll go with Green and Caldwell over him despite him being in their system longer. Then he's got Cogs, Whit, Taranto, Kelly, Hopper, MDB, Ward etc to beat out and most of those guys are still very young. Not to mention Sheridan and O'Halloran getting gigs over him recently too.

We wouldn't be future trading our picks in that scenario.

 

[stormskye]

Mason Wood and Paddy are worth it on rookie contracts. Worth nothing, reward is huge.

And Ben Brown has missed 3 games in his 106 game career before realistically he was dropped bc of form??? LOL durable as f***

Shaz is a former top 6 pick who we continually play as a lockdown defender. He could thrive as an intercept player, he's devoid of all confidence with us. Never heard of a fresh start?

I'm not dreaming, you're just not open to the idea so we'll continually never get better.

Paddy as a rookie I’d be open to as risk/reward is low. Mason wood is a definite no from me.

 

[No SPIN]

Mason Wood and Paddy are worth it on rookie contracts. Worth nothing, reward is huge.

And Ben Brown has missed 3 games in his 106 game career before realistically he was dropped bc of form??? LOL durable as f***

Shaz is a former top 6 pick who we continually play as a lockdown defender. He could thrive as an intercept player, he's devoid of all confidence with us. Never heard of a fresh start?

I'm not dreaming, you're just not open to the idea so we'll continually never get better.

I don’t understand, how knowing McCartins clear and freakish susceptibility to concussion that cannot be fixed ( as would normally be the case with other body weakness eg shoulder) how you believe he’s worth the risk.
It would be a stupendous error.

 

[stormskye]

Not really because his effectiveness comes from how clean his center bounce and palm work is then his rover like follow up/physicality.

Also WC dont run him 100% solo, he will get rest periods anyway.

Hard to stop NN at the center bounces cause no one can *regularly* out jump him.

Best way to beat Nic nat is to win the game by kicking only behinds and avoiding centre bounces

 

[Mooresome]

Best way to beat Nic nat is to win the game by kicking only behinds and avoiding centre bounces

FFS, don't give Bucks anymore coaching tips

 

[Silky23]

I don’t understand, how knowing McCartins clear and freakish susceptibility to concussion that cannot be fixed ( as would normally be the case with other body weakness eg shoulder) how you believe he’s worth the risk.
It would be a stupendous error.

He's had 12 months out, will be even longer by the time the season starts next year and doctors have given him the all clear.

Rookie contract so he can train with the main group, but play VFL and earn his way in. You don't lose talent.

 

[Apex36]

What’s everyone thoughts on UGLE in the draft? Talk hes no 1. So adel would be silly not to pick given he fits a need. That means Doggies from my reading of points system would need to match 3000. Given they likely to have anywhere from 9-12, They’ve got some work to do to find points. If that’s my understanding of how it works.

I can’t see them trading their first this year, because if anyone bids they won’t have points?

They’re able to trade in later picks, or go in to deficit next year, which would push back their first pick a bit. There’s no way on earth they’ll sit on their hands and simply let their first be eaten up by a bid this year.

 

[stormskye]

They’re able to trade in later picks, or go in to deficit next year, which would push back their first pick a bit. There’s no way on earth they’ll sit on their hands and simply let their first be eaten up by a bid this year.

Ah thanks yeah didn’t think about deficit next year. Nah I agree no point sitting on their first

 

[Robroy22]

Mason Wood and Paddy are worth it on rookie contracts. Worth nothing, reward is huge.

And Ben Brown has missed 3 games in his 106 game career before realistically he was dropped bc of form??? LOL durable as f***

Shaz is a former top 6 pick who we continually play as a lockdown defender. He could thrive as an intercept player, he's devoid of all confidence with us. Never heard of a fresh start?

I'm not dreaming, you're just not open to the idea so we'll continually never get better.

So we get rid (finally) of the blokes that have clogged the list for years now (Reid, Shaz, Broomy, Dunn,) and we replace them with other blokes who are continually unable to play?

Mate I had a lot to do with Paddy @ the Falcons and know him pretty well and he's struggling (footy should be the last thing on his mind) so scratch him off your list and don't tell people with different knowledge to yourself what they do and don't know.

Shaz is a former top 6 pick who's had three knee recos (and two foot operations) and has lost pace and agility because of it. The only place he'll get his confidence back is at a lower level footy comp. AFL has escaped him (much the shame, but it has).

And Ben Brown has missed just 3 games in his 106 game career, but has played taped up for years and is rumoured to be close to bone on bone. He's a big bloke that requires space to run into...his knees cop a hiding. Buyer Beware!

I'm open to ideas that will actually improve the club, not to wasting time on bandaid solutions.

 

[No SPIN]

He's had 12 months out, will be even longer by the time the season starts next year and doctors have given him the all clear.

Rookie contract so he can train with the main group, but play VFL and earn his way in. You don't lose talent.

more unfortunate is you don’t lose freakish susceptibility to concussion - sadly this trumps his talent.

 

[Robroy22]

Not really because his effectiveness comes from how clean his center bounce and palm work is then his rover like follow up/physicality.

Also WC dont run him 100% solo, he will get rest periods anyway.

Hard to stop NN at the center bounces cause no one can *regularly* out jump him.

Actually Cox can and has done in the past. We should have used that tactic more.

 

[No SPIN]

Actually Cox can and has done in the past. We should have used that tactic more.

that’s very true - and his “legal” use of his big leg reach is a further issue for NN.

 

[Silky23]

Mate I had a lot to do with Paddy @ the Falcons and know him pretty well and he's struggling (footy should be the last thing on his mind) so scratch him off your list and don't tell people with different knowledge to yourself what they do and don't know.

LOL all I said was he could potentially be worth it on a rookie contract.
Nowhere did I tell you different knowledge. Keep making sh** up but.

Also you worked at Geelong Falcons with McCartin 6 years ago (2014 drafted) and he’s publicly stated he’s right to go again. So are you living in the past or you two close mates and he’s lying with his public comments?

 

[stormskye]

LOL all I said was he could potentially be worth it on a rookie contract.
Nowhere did I tell you different knowledge. Keep making sh** up but.

Also you worked at Geelong Falcons with McCartin 6 years ago (2014 drafted) and he’s publicly stated he’s right to go again. So are you living in the past or you two close mates and he’s lying with his public comments?

I’d be willing to have a crack with him. Im no doctor, but rookie list a former no 1 KPF pick who’s still young, reward outweighs risk for me.

I’m not keen on wood, and brown unless it was very cheap. I want to get a genuine KPF kid, there’s a few options this year by all accounts

 

[loki04]

Actually Cox can and has done in the past. We should have used that tactic more.

Potentially I agree. I think it comes back to Coxs mind set, seen him do really well in the ruck and then also be a bit timid and do the donkey kick.

When he runs and jumps into them with his knee up, he looks like a first class ruck, when he pulls up short sticks half a leg out like a 1950s chick kissing a guy not so much.

But yes he can be effective (due to height and reach) vs NN when attacking it properly at center bounces.

Cox on throw ins and around the ground game needs a lot of work also.

Imo if he is to become a AFL ruckmen then he needs to play the year out there in 2s then do preseason then get traded to either Carlton, Brisbane, Bulldogs, GWS or Essendon.

No way he will get anything other then filling for injury or resting Grundy.

Buckley needs to tag or at least run with role on Shuey vs WC.

 

[Silky23]

I’d be willing to have a crack with him. Im no doctor, but rookie list a former no 1 KPF pick who’s still young, reward outweighs risk for me.

I’m not keen on wood, and brown unless it was very cheap. I want to get a genuine KPF kid, there’s a few options this year by all accounts

100%. What’s the risk? He’s on the list for 2 years and we delist him If it doesn’t work out. Better to give him a chance than selecting some kid who’s a no hoper and won’t improve our list at all.

Not many 195cm 100kg blokes running around who were #1 selected in their draft year over guys like Petracca whom we could pick up and give a chance for peanuts.

Best case? He overcomes his issues, and becomes a great piece for us in the future.

 

[No SPIN]

100%. What’s the risk? He’s on the list for 2 years and we delist him If it doesn’t work out. Better to give him a chance than selecting some kid who’s a no hoper and won’t improve our list at all.

Not many 195cm 100kg blokes running around who were #1 selected in their draft year over guys like Petracca whom we could pick up and give a chance for peanuts.

Best case? He overcomes his issues, and becomes a great piece for us in the future.

He CANNOT overcome his issue - it’s a freakish and unnatural susceptibility.
He gets knock out where other guys just get up and walk away.

 

[stormskye]

He CANNOT overcome his issue - it’s a freakish and unnatural susceptibility.
He gets knock out where other guys just get up and walk away.

Again I’m no doctor, but how do you know this? like how do you know 100% he can’t?

 

[stormskye]

Which AFL team should take a flyer on Paddy McCartin?

Paddy McCartin is ready to go for 2021 - which team should draft him?

www.sen.com.au

 

[Silky23]

LOL apparently we have some doctors on the forum now. Head trauma doctors. Interesting.

 

[Bramax]

Def not worth first rounder at 30.

No club would give up a first rounder, let alone 2 for a 30ish year old player, or a 30 year old with injury/offield issues..... would they

You wouldn’t be having a snide dig at our genius recruit from up north would you?