List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 8

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[Cam Payner]

Unfortunately I doubt any team would want Graham. He will be lucky to remain on our list..

More games like yesterday we'll have to give up picks just to get a club to take him...or we could just Capuano him...

 

[Profop]

Yeah abuse of Bolton just doesn’t stack up in any form. The whole flaky doesn’t look committed shtick is borderline racist stereotyping

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

No, everyone’s expectations are simply too high for a half forward in a sh*te team. He’s not in great form at the moment, no doubt. But this talk of downhill skiing etc… is not really correct based on as short a time ago as 2023 when we finished 13th.

Who is on track for AA half forward in 2024? Dylan Moore? Izak Rankine?

Shai Bolton 2023 v Moore 2024 v Rankine 2024:

Disposals: 21.7 v 18.8 v 19.2
Goals: 1.4 v 1.6 v 2.0
GA: 0.8 v 1.0 v 1.0
Inside 50: 5.4 v 4.0 v 4.4
CP: 9.7 v 7.6 v 10.1
Clearances: 4.0 v 1.9 v 4.0
SI: 7.0 v 6.6 v 6.6
Tackles: 3.0 v 3.6 v 3.6

So this talk of only being able to perform in a great team is just garbage. 21.7 / 1.4 with 4 clearances and 7 x SI is Uber elite… and that was just half a season ago.

I know he can be frustrating at times, but you do not give those types of players away when they are hitting peak age. How’d Moore go playing in our dog sh*te forward half right now?



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.No one is doubting his ability. Hence why Freo will throw the kitchen sink at Peak Bolton.
His performances of late suggests he's thinking about it.

 

[Ctl]

caro ruled out trading rioli (ignore the bolton bit)

 

[Profop]

Imagine being someone who has the same opinion as Sam McClure

 

[Chunky09]

The knocks mounting on Shai are the same as the knocks on Short.

I am telling you guys, they are not the problem, it’s the fact they have noone to kick to.

This

 

[SplintWhisky]

Imagine being someone who has the same opinion as Sam McClure

Imagine being such a sycophant that is unable to see flaws in the things he likes.

Its ok to be a sheep mate. We need blind followers like you, so easy to manipulate.

 

[Bird Man]

The knocks mounting on Shai are the same as the knocks on Short.

I am telling you guys, they are not the problem, its the fact they have noone to kick to.

Shai has some goalposts to kick to and he still cant hit the mark what makes you think his inside 50s would hit the best of the forwards ?

 

[voorhees]

2 round 1 picks for Short in the form he's been in the last couple of years?


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that's not what I said !!
-short won't get us anything, so no use in investing time during trade week.
he won't give up his contract with us.

 

[fargothegreat]

I can see the club being more open to letting Bolton go than Rioli or Baker.

He's worth more in a trade, and arguably more importantly he's not a leader like the other two.

 

[Profop]

Shai has some goalposts to kick to and he still cant hit the mark what makes you think his inside 50s would hit the best of the forwards ?

He’s done better at kicking it between the goalposts this year then any other player in the team

 

[RJK Tiger]

If Max King

12

Max King

Age

23

Ht

202cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.3

2star

K

4.7

2star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.7

3star

T

0.7

3star

G

1.4

5star

D

7.3

2star

K

4.7

2star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.7

3star

T

0.7

1star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

2.8

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

0.6

3star

G

1.4

5star

is indeed coming available, the clubs should definitely consider making a move. He has his faults, the his ceiling is as good as any & structure wise it will make a huge difference. Also, the ability to pair him up with Lynch for possibly 2 years to learn from would be vital to his fixing his issues i believe. He hasn't got that at StKilda.


If indeed the club is moving on from Rioli(s) & Baker, then getting back King (Stk) & 1st rounders or/and Moyle(Suns) would be huge, while keeping our likely top 1-2 pick. A club like St Kilda might also find a player like Short, Broad appealing to add GF experience to their list.

 

[RJK Tiger]

I can see the club being more open to letting Bolton go than Rioli or Baker.

He's worth more in a trade, and arguably more importantly he's not a leader like the other two.

Disagree with that. Shai might not be a leader, but much like Dusty - he is a match winner.

Question the leadership of both Baker & Rioli if they are entertaining other offers while we are trying to develop a young core. Terrible example to the kids IMO, & likely doing nothing for their confidence. The longer those 2 allow the the courting to go on, the less i care if they stay, especially with other pieces starting to appear available elsewhere.

The lack of leadership at the club is a huge issue. But we also need to make sure that our own lack of leadership doesn't start making us overrate those qualities in guys who really are not what we need. I thought Baker was a genuine chance to be Captain, but the situation with him heading back to Perth has gotten pretty out of hand really. He has purchased a property and talking to the WA clubs in the Bye round - thats pretty shit really.

 

[Willo_23]

If Max King is indeed coming available, the clubs should definitely consider making a move. He has his faults, the his ceiling is as good as any & structure wise it will make a huge difference. Also, the ability to pair him up with Lynch for possibly 2 years to learn from would be vital to his fixing his issues i believe. He hasn't got that at StKilda.


If indeed the club is moving on from Rioli(s) & Baker, then getting back King (Stk) & 1st rounders or/and Moyle(Suns) would be huge, while keeping our likely top 1-2 pick. A club like St Kilda might also find a player like Short, Broad appealing to add GF experience to their list.

Moyle recently re-signed on a decent deal at the Suns

 

[guruisatiger]

Bolton will play at RSEA Park next year
With piggy Higgins and Dan the butler

 

[tigs2010]

Bolton will play at RSEA Park next year
With piggy Higgins and Dan the butler

Sauce?

 

[Noidnadroj]

Shai Bolton

29

Shai Bolton

Age

25

Ht

176cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

3.5

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.8

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

does something else not that many of our best players do … he plays every week. Has missed about 5 games in the last 5-years.

If he requests a trade then great, we get the best deal we can. But I guarantee the club will not be shopping Bolton around or looking to trade him out under any circumstances if he’s happy at the club.

I don’t believe the club will shop Rioli around either. But they’d be more inclined to keep their ear to the ground. He’s not a goal kicker. He’s not a midfield/clearance player. He’s nearly 2-years older than Bolton.

Really good players are very very hard to find. Who’s the last elite player who was in the prime of their career that a club proactively traded out against their will for draft picks? Just not sure it ever happens.


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[guruisatiger]

Sauce?

King to play with his twin on the Gold coast
Suns Give Richmond there first two picks
Saints lose max king gain bolton
Richmond lose bolton gain sun 2 picks
Suns lose 2 first picks gain max king

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

Saints don't have a list manager, no chance Bolton goes there.

 

[RJK Tiger]

Moyle recently re-signed on a decent deal at the Suns

ah poo. yep your right, last week.

Ah well, give us those picks. I think King is definitely worth a sniff from us. Every player has his flaws, but when the ceiling is high. as long as they are not a real douchebag like Stack or Lawrence Angwin, they very often get there due to hardwork.

Hogan a few years ago had flaws too. And Peter Wright. 23 year olds over 2m tall with his numbers are not common at all & at Elite level.

To put it into perspective, Lynch over his first 80 games kicked 124.82. Max is at 159.115.

I am no wall street wolf, but i have heard when you have a stock that has hit elite KPI's and has dropped to its lowest value due to reasons which are not fatal (ie injury), then that tends to be a good time to buy. In saying all that, i would be stunned if the Saints allowed him to go.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

Yeah abuse of Bolton just doesn’t stack up in any form. The whole flaky doesn’t look committed shtick is borderline racist stereotyping

Reflective of the role he plays. He biggest contribution to us is his ability to create play from nothing, every now and again that is going to result in horrible turnovers and hair pulling moments but you take the good with the bad. Our issue at present is the opportunities are less often so he is trying too hard at times to make things happen but that is reflective of the team as much as it is him.

 

[Cam Payner]

The knocks mounting on Shai are the same as the knocks on Short.

I am telling you guys, they are not the problem, its the fact they have noone to kick to.

Yeah nah Short's just shit...Bolton's head's in Perth, Short's is where it's always been - up his arse...

 

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Sauce?

I think they're on the sauce

 

[Morro]

Shai has some goalposts to kick to and he still cant hit the mark what makes you think his inside 50s would hit the best of the forwards ?

That is not a new issue, yet when were winning, noone complained. He isnt the problem.

 

[DeseRigs]

I don't want to lose Shai. Bird in the hand. The whole team is struggling not just him. Everyone overrates draft picks.