List Mgmt. Trade Targets / Rumours

[rogerjames]

I just don’t understand why people spread such bullshit about our club on here?

Unless C4[2]Yo`DooR is a serial liar then we’ve been told what was happening weeks ago.

And yet people are actually quoting Howard’s manager saying “he never thought of leaving” just so they can convince themselves that he is a saint (pun not intended).

Maybe Howard hadn’t thought of leaving much himself, but he literally pays his management to do that thinking for him.

His management have very clearly asked for a bigger contract while using other clubs as leverage and we’ve called their bluff and told him to look elsewhere if he wants to. This probably happened weeks ago.

We have a salary cap. We can’t just throw money at whoever asks for it and threatens to leave otherwise. This means we are going to lose good players when other clubs offer them more than we can.

In this situation there are three options: Pay him more, call his bluff and tell him to “explore his options”, or try to stall until him and his management make the call to either stay or go.

I have no idea what the best option was in this case, because I don’t know the details. But if Howard can get more money elsewhere and we can get a first round pick for a player outside our best 22 then that seems a pretty good result for everyone involved.

I agree that this explanation makes sense. Also think being moved forward and not being selected late in the year wouldn't have helped the situation. I'm unhappy with the way Doug's has been used this year. If I was head coach I'd have built the defence around him. He needs to bulk up a bit to handle the gorillas but get that done. The rest will flow.

 

[Us against the rest]

I agree that this explanation makes sense. Also think being moved forward and not being selected late in the year wouldn't have helped the situation. I'm unhappy with the way Doug's has been used this year. If I was head coach I'd have built the defence around him. He needs to bulk up a bit to handle the gorillas but get that done. The rest will flow.

Could be that late in the season when Hinkley moved Howard forward, was the time that the club got a sniff of what he and his manager were up to, drop him to the 2nds if he's not committed, reduce a little value.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Lol at how many people here shat the bed today after hearing one side of the story that was then pounced on and dramatised by the wolf-pack that pose as AFL journalists and media.

The anger, frustration, angst, and even hatred, has built up to such an extent, that if Doogs himself came on here and admitted in a signed affidavit that this had been in the works for ages .... Noone here would believe a word.

I suspected from the word "go" that there is much on this than meets the eye!

I mean it definitely looks now like there could be more to this story, but the club hasn't exactly done a lot to generate trust lately.

 

[raptalia]

Not really. Players aren’t paid on what they’ve done, they are paid on what they can potentially do. Players being paid on what they’ve done is when it becomes dicey.

So you are saying a player with potential will survive on an AFL list for four or so years without playing an AFL game and actually achieving anything? Surely past performance has to be a criterion when measuring potential?

 

[Jason K]

A mass rally outside Alberton. Would need at least 500 supporters turning up. We supporters have more power to change things than we are currently exercising. Social media is good but a rally is far more visual.

I'd go

 

[raptalia]

I am lifted from the depths of depression with the reports that the Club will play hard ball over Dougal Howard and further lifted with the news we have put a first round pick on Dougal's head. Not convinced we will get the price asked but this player is contracted and if a club wants him they will have to pay.

Dougal has been asked to test the market which he is doing, if it doesn't work out he stays. Well, that is the way it should be but these days you never can tell.

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

If Dougal has in fact tried for more money out there, and the saints have coughed up some good coin... Then it's only fair the club is equally compensated for his apparent new worth. He wants big bucks, then the club wants big pick. If both aren't happy then... NO DEAL!!

 

[EskimoPAFC]

If Dougal has in fact tried for more money out there, and the saints have coughed up some good coin... Then it's only fair the club is equally compensated for his apparent new worth. He wants big bucks, then the club wants big pick. If both aren't happy then... NO DEAL!!

Yep $3 million deal is a top 10 pick regardless of what Barrett & co think

 

[MALTSY]

The average salary is around $350k.

$500k-$600k means Howard would be getting paid above average money for 5 years when he’s a decidedly average footballer.

To put it in perspective - Tom Lynch is only getting $200k more and he’s a premiership player that wiped his arse with Howard when they met at Adelaide Oval.

It’s $200k less than what dual AA and B&F winner Travis Boak was earning at his peak.

Is Howard 75% of these players? Meaning, is he a solid citizen that you can rely on and say “Yep, he’ll win more contests than he loses?”
If the answer is no...his management and anyone who thinks we should pay him his ridiculous demands should get f’ed.

You just know he wasn’t putting his body on the line in the back half of the season because he knew this was in the pipeline. The same way that Ryder was just going through the motions this year.

This really, really annoys the shit out of me. And it should annoy you too.

An unsubstantiated Janus claim does not make me annoyed at Howard at all.
BTW...in what year do you consider Boak was at his peak?

 

[OneGreatClub]

Rucci saying we are into a big FA fish next year. Guess that’s why Fantasia won’t get another look in.

 

[Ishikawa]

I am lifted from the depths of depression with the reports that the Club will play hard ball over Dougal Howard and further lifted with the news we have put a first round pick on Dougal's head. Not convinced we will get the price asked but this player is contracted and if a club wants him they will have to pay.

Dougal has been asked to test the market which he is doing, if it doesn't work out he stays. Well, that is the way it should be but these days you never can tell.

I and I am sure Howard find it hard to reconcile the two though - suggesting to a comfortably contracted player that they may be best off going elsewhere then "playing hard ball". He does sit behind a handful in the pecking order but there's clearly a lot of developable attributes that he has so I'd much prefer he stay.
Generally been happy with Parker's work at the club, but I struggle to see what our strategy is here.

 

[JUSTWORK]

Yep $3 million deal is a top 10 pick regardless of what Barrett & co think

Howard and 29 for 12 and 18.

Which values Howard at exactly what dwayne valued him at pick 8.

Not a chance that saints do that though, maybe if hill falls over.

 

[PhoenixPower]

A mass rally outside Alberton. Would need at least 500 supporters turning up. We supporters have more power to change things than we are currently exercising. Social media is good but a rally is far more visual.

Pirate life. Sunday

 

[Tredz]

Rucci saying we are into a big FA fish next year. Guess that’s why Fantasia won’t get another look in.

That, and also because he's obviously a d1ck. Bullet dodged.

 

[Malibu#27]

If Dougal has in fact tried for more money out there, and the saints have coughed up some good coin... Then it's only fair the club is equally compensated for his apparent new worth. He wants big bucks, then the club wants big pick. If both aren't happy then... NO DEAL!!

I suspect it’s his manager trying for more money. He would have fielded the enquiry and sold it to Dougal- it’s what managers do.

 

[TheFVK]

Rucci saying we are into a big FA fish next year. Guess that’s why Fantasia won’t get another look in.

lol when has a rucci rumour ever amounted to anything

 

[Janus]

An unsubstantiated Janus claim does not make me annoyed at Howard at all.
BTW...in what year do you consider Boak was at his peak?

In terms of when he signed a new contract? 2015 when he signed a 4 year deal. Had just come off two AA nominations.

Something Dougal Howard won’t know anything about in his career.

 

[PAFC_1870]

Howard and 29 for 12 and 18.

Which values Howard at exactly what dwayne valued him at pick 8.

Not a chance that saints do that though, maybe if hill falls over.

Not a chance, though include Gray, Ryder and probably late picks

 

[PhoenixPower]

Rucci saying we are into a big FA fish next year. Guess that’s why Fantasia won’t get another look in.

Rucci also blames the fans for ports current position. **** rucci

 

[King_Tredrea]

So you are saying a player with potential will survive on an AFL list for four or so years without playing an AFL game and actually achieving anything? Surely past performance has to be a criterion when measuring potential?

No, I’m not. I’m saying big money deals based purely on what a club thinks the player can potentially do for them will become more and more common. St Kilda would be well aware of Dougal’s upside and they couldn’t care less that he “hasn’t achieved anything” in AFL football yet.

 

[Janus]

That, and also because he's obviously a d1ck. Bullet dodged.

He’s another money hungry ****head. Obviously the club bent over backwards to get him, he says he wants to come and he pulls the pin at the last minute.

Sick of these players and their managers traipsing around for the best deal safe in the knowledge that they can always stay with their existing contract if it doesn’t work out, then try again when FA hits.

The sooner forced trading comes in the better.

 

[elsler]

hahaha hes ****ing clueless yeah we select the team and instruct them. Rucci is a ****wit

 

[raptalia]

I and I am sure Howard find it hard to reconcile the two though - suggesting to a comfortably contracted player that they may be best off going elsewhere then "playing hard ball". He does sit behind a handful in the pecking order but there's clearly a lot of developable attributes that he has so I'd much prefer he stay.
Generally been happy with Parker's work at the club, but I struggle to see what our strategy is here.

It would be interesting to know what has changed in the past twelve months. In December 2018 we re signed Dougal for a four year deal but 12 months on we are suggesting to him that he should look elsewhere. For the first half of 2019 Dougal was a lock as our key defender and he was even acting Captain for a game but overnight he is on the outer- why? Maybe there is a logical explanation to this shift in Hinkley's thinking? Maybe there is a problem with our salary cap? Who knows, I have given up trying to work it out.

Of course this isn't the first time we have attempted to off load a recent signing as a few years back we signed Hamish Hartlett to a six year deal then tried trade him twelve months later. Harlett was not traded and fitted back into the system so maybe the same will happen with Dougal.

I do not want to lose Howard but if he goes I do not want to loose him for for peanuts.

 

[MALTSY]

In terms of when he signed a new contract? 2015 when he signed a 4 year deal. Had just come off two AA nominations.

Something Dougal Howard won’t know anything about in his career.

av wage in 2015: $302,104
av wage in 2020: $370,00 ish

this represents approx 30% increase.
if Boak was as his peak now, he would be on much more than you quoted.

#appleswithapples

 

[Coobk001]

Rucci saying we are into a big FA fish next year. Guess that’s why Fantasia won’t get another look in.

The club made it patently obvious at the convention that there's someone, or a couple people we are targeting big time next year. All assumptions were Luko or Rankine, but a FA wouldn't surprise.
Still don't think Luko would be worth the cost. Had a poor last year in the SANFL, played forward while GC were going well and averaged 1 goal every 3 games and about 8-9 touches a game, then played for cheap kicks down back and looked terrible as a defender. He may still come on, he has plenty of time, but he's got bust for a pick 2 written all over him.