Trading Prismall..

[Willow_2000]

I would give you our pick after pick 18 so a mid 30s pick, I would never give pick 17 or 18 for him. As highly as he might be rated I wouldn't give a top 20 pick for a guy who doesn't even play consistent AFL footy.

Geelong might want a late 1st round pick or early 2nd but no club will give it to them.

Geelong wouldnt take anything above pick 40 though.

 

[jim boy]

I would give you our pick after pick 18 so a mid 30s pick, I would never give pick 17 or 18 for him. As highly as he might be rated I wouldn't give a top 20 pick for a guy who doesn't even play consistent AFL footy.

You might not but your club does, Moloney was no more highly rated than Prissa is now and you gave us pick 12 for him.

 

[jim boy]

Geelong wouldnt take anything above pick 20 though.

edited for accuracy- we want to keep him and he is contracted for another year, we're not going to take just anything.

 

[cats2rise]

I'd take Pick 25 at the most. Pick 18 will do.

 

[jimmy.h]

It would have to depend on whether or not he wants out of the club. If he's decided that his future is elsewhere I'd probably take pick 17/18. If he wants to keep going with the cats then I wouldn't trade him.

 

[SirRooke]

Prismall adds nothing we don't already have, but has a market value that he hasn't earnt.

He is talented but is the sort of Priddis type talent. Competent at AFL level and adds excellent depth to a good team and would be a senior player in a crap team like Richmond or West Coast, ala Priddis or Bowden.

Geelong would be mad not to trade him for a 1st round pick. With Egan coming back and Harley looking like he is ageing better than one might have thought and with possibly a few more years left in the tank, I'd be thinking of trading Harry Taylor and Prismall as a package for a top 3- 5 pick. Both are highly serviceable and could be 200 game players if they didn't have better players holding them back but will never be elite and to stay the best we need to keep ensuring we bring in elite players. Both are worth a late 1st rd pick and would be jumped at by a team worrying about how they are going to get enough depth with West Sydney/Tassie and Gold Coast coming. Trading one first round pick for 2 players at first round level would be a win for them.

 

[thejester]

We could probably narrow down the hypothetical picks by asking who would want him. I think Collingwood would be mad not to have a crack - they're screaming out for a player like him and Malthouse loves guys with good kicking efficiency. Say they lose in a prelim...pick 13. Seems reasonable.

 

[cat_fanatic]

Prismall adds nothing we don't already have, but has a market value that he hasn't earnt.

He is talented but is the sort of Priddis type talent. Competent at AFL level and adds excellent depth to a good team and would be a senior player in a crap team like Richmond or West Coast, ala Priddis or Bowden.

Geelong would be mad not to trade him for a 1st round pick. With Egan coming back and Harley looking like he is ageing better than one might have thought and with possibly a few more years left in the tank, I'd be thinking of trading Harry Taylor and Prismall as a package for a top 3- 5 pick. Both are highly serviceable and could be 200 game players if they didn't have better players holding them back but will never be elite and to stay the best we need to keep ensuring we bring in elite players. Both are worth a late 1st rd pick and would be jumped at by a team worrying about how they are going to get enough depth with West Sydney/Tassie and Gold Coast coming. Trading one first round pick for 2 players at first round level would be a win for them.

Completely disagree with everything you just said mate. We went to huge lengths to try and secure key position backs in last year’s draft. Drafting a mature Taylor is testament to this. I’d suggest we would have drafted Scott Thompson if North Melbourne didn’t snatch him up first in which case we would have had two young KPB which indicates to me the club is looking for tall backs in a hurry to replace Scarlett, Harley and Milburn in the coming years.

Trade Taylor and Prismall for a top 5 pick? Taylor alone is proving to be a huge pick up and I would give up a top ten pick for a player like him in any draft – he is a keeper, it’s ridiculous to suggest otherwise. This trade would be a huge loss to us.

Why are players like Priddis and Bowden only good in shit teams? Priddis was still doing very well when the Weagles were a good side. I recon if you put both of those players in the Collingwood or Bulldogs line-up they would still be very good.

Prismall will only go if he requests a trade. If he does then the line of clubs attempting to secure the services of this young midfielder that has actually shown something at AFL level (unlike a speculative pick that could turn out to be a dud) will be 15 long.

Prismall does add something to our list that we wouldn’t otherwise have, a gun mid for the next 10 years to be on the end of Selwood clearances and delivering the ball to Hawkins. Who else? Davenport? Tenace? Both serviceable but have shown nothing compared to Pris.

Also, what makes you think that Prismall and Taylor will never be elite, yet they will still both play 200 games at other clubs? I recon potential 200+ gamers are worth keeping.

 

[vinum coupe]

Geelong would be mad not to trade him for a 1st round pick. With Egan coming back and Harley looking like he is ageing better than one might have thought and with possibly a few more years left in the tank, I'd be thinking of trading Harry Taylor and Prismall as a package for a top 3- 5 pick. Both are highly serviceable and could be 200 game players if they didn't have better players holding them back but will never be elite and to stay the best we need to keep ensuring we bring in elite players. Both are worth a late 1st rd pick and would be jumped at by a team worrying about how they are going to get enough depth with West Sydney/Tassie and Gold Coast coming. Trading one first round pick for 2 players at first round level would be a win for them.

I can't believe you wrote all that.
This isn't supercoach, you can't trade players out and get them back.

There will be loads of spots open up at Geelong.
Who knows if Egan will even make it back. Harley isn't getting younger and neither is Milburn.

We have not had a group of injuries in ages.

Simply, you don't trade depth if you dont have to.

Maybe we should trade Ablett for picks 1,2,3,4,and 5?

 

[themuddy#3]

exactly, prismall is a ready made player and would be a safe pick up for any club in the competition, unlike some top ten picks

*cough cough cough tenace cough cough cough cough cough tambling cough cough cough cough*

 

[Lewie_8]

I don't think the roos would be interested cause we badly need all our draft picks that we can get!!

 

[SirRooke]

Completely disagree with everything you just said mate. We went to huge lengths to try and secure key position backs in last year’s draft. Drafting a mature Taylor is testament to this. I’d suggest we would have drafted Scott Thompson if North Melbourne didn’t snatch him up first in which case we would have had two young KPB which indicates to me the club is looking for tall backs in a hurry to replace Scarlett, Harley and Milburn in the coming years.

Trade Taylor and Prismall for a top 5 pick? Taylor alone is proving to be a huge pick up and I would give up a top ten pick for a player like him in any draft – he is a keeper, it’s ridiculous to suggest otherwise. This trade would be a huge loss to us.

Why are players like Priddis and Bowden only good in shit teams? Priddis was still doing very well when the Weagles were a good side. I recon if you put both of those players in the Collingwood or Bulldogs line-up they would still be very good.

Prismall will only go if he requests a trade. If he does then the line of clubs attempting to secure the services of this young midfielder that has actually shown something at AFL level (unlike a speculative pick that could turn out to be a dud) will be 15 long.

Prismall does add something to our list that we wouldn’t otherwise have, a gun mid for the next 10 years to be on the end of Selwood clearances and delivering the ball to Hawkins. Who else? Davenport? Tenace? Both serviceable but have shown nothing compared to Pris.

Also, what makes you think that Prismall and Taylor will never be elite, yet they will still both play 200 games at other clubs? I recon potential 200+ gamers are worth keeping.

Taylor unfortunately wont get a game when Egan is back. Milburn and Harley aren't going anywhere and neither are Mackie, Scarlett, Rooke, Hunt and Enright. There is no point in depth for depth's sake. With a salary cap one needs to keep its depth wisely. Taylor might end up elite but Egan is better and once he is back there's simply no room.

Geelong would be better keeping Brynes, Varcoe, Davenport and Tenace who have no trade value and can also serve bit part roles than keep someone like Prismall who is clearly overvalued and more one dimensional than any of them.

The cult of Prismall has pushed his market value far higher than his performance level and we should capitalise on it. Prismall has shown nothing. He doesn't win his own ball and relies on our guns in the midfield to feed it to him. The way Varcoe played on Friday I'd rather him with his speed and skills (which are better than Prismall's who butchers it more than BF people are willing to acknowledge, goes far shorter in his options than he should (Ling '06) and is quite pedestrian) to be on the end of someone else's hard work and then break the lines.

Simply, you don't trade depth if you dont have to.

Maybe we should trade Ablett for picks 1,2,3,4,and 5?

We have to. We have a salary cap problem that is only going to get worsen as Stokes, Chappy, Mackie, Selwood, Enright & co. all push for AA to add to the list of AAs from last year and we will have Gold Coast poachers circling.

Equating that sort of deal with a Prismall/Taylor one is wrong. Both have spent at least 1/2 the year in the twos and/or benchwarming (no disrespect to Taylor who is fantastic for a 1st yr player) whereas Ablett is exactly the sort of elite talent we need to keep.

 

[cats2rise]

He doesn't win his own ball and relies on our guns in the midfield to feed it to him.

Thats because he is what is called an outside player, Sir Rooke. Some players get there own ball, but then need to feed it off to someone. That someone is the Corey/Prismall type players.

I disagree with your Taylor comment, as you do not get rid of a young KPP when we have Scarlett, Harley and Milburn all in the latter stages of their careers.

I agree with the Prismall comment though. I think his trade value is a pick in the late 20s or early 30s. Anything above that is a sensational bonus. I do think he will be a good player, but other teams generally do not give up first rounders for someone who has only played 17 games.

I just wonder if he played for any other team, what we would give up for him knowing draft picks will be few and far between when the new team comes in,

 

[vinum coupe]

I just wonder if he played for any other team, what we would give up for him knowing draft picks will be few and far between when the new team comes in,

Ding! Everyone is under estimating how many drafts will occur when the teams come in. It will be massive. Plenty will be made by those clubs with good stocks to move.

G17 can't play with 36x 18 year olds. And that is going to turn trades into a frenzy. Keep some cards up the sleeve.

Maybe we should hold Tenace til then

 

[crosby123]

Thats because he is what is called an outside player, Sir Rooke. Some players get there own ball, but then need to feed it off to someone. That someone is the Corey/Prismall type players.

I disagree with your Taylor comment, as you do not get rid of a young KPP when we have Scarlett, Harley and Milburn all in the latter stages of their careers.

I agree with the Prismall comment though. I think his trade value is a pick in the late 20s or early 30s. Anything above that is a sensational bonus. I do think he will be a good player, but other teams generally do not give up first rounders for someone who has only played 17 games.

I just wonder if he played for any other team, what we would give up for him knowing draft picks will be few and far between when the new team comes in,

Corey doesn't win the ball in the packs? I don't have the stats at hand, but I'd say he'd be nearly leading clearances for us. We have few, if any, outside midfielders in the team, as generally our backmen and forwards perform those tasks (Enright, Mackie, Milburn, Wojcinski, Hunt, Stokes).

 

[cat_fanatic]

Corey doesn't win the ball in the packs? I don't have the stats at hand, but I'd say he'd be nearly leading clearances for us. We have few, if any, outside midfielders in the team, as generally our backmen and forwards perform those tasks (Enright, Mackie, Milburn, Wojcinski, Hunt, Stokes).

That's true. We lack a true, polished outside player like Dal Santo in the current 22... and get away with it because most of our mids/HB's perform this role on top of extracting the pill and winning clearances. I think Varcoe will one day turn into a great outside mid. Prismall is a true outside mid and i think we'd be stupid to trade him away.

 

[darren forssman]

That's true. We lack a true, polished outside player like Dal Santo in the current 22...

the same dal santo that was dropped??

 

[vealesy]

i dont think as soon as egan is fit he will be straight back in the side, as good as he was, hes missed a LOT of footy. trading taylor is a nonsense idea.

as is trading prismall, unless he WANTS to leave the best club in the league.

this thread is blasphemy.

 

[My5t3r10u5]

Prismall will only go if he requests a trade.

Let's get one thing straight. Geelong won't be trading any required players unless they want to go. Bomber stated that Ottens/Moloney would be the last time he trades a player. So as CatFanatic states, Prismall will stay unless he asks to be traded. Ditto Taylor.

If Prismall asks to be traded, Geelong may well go down the path of upgrading their pick, eg: pick 16 () plus Prismall for pick 6.

However, as fun as it is to speculate on trades, my money is on Prismall staying. Geelong have had an incredible run of no injuries to midfield players and I think Prismall knows he is just one injury away from some sustained time in the AFL and possibly a premiership medallion. If you had to choose between 100 games and a premiership vs 200 games and no premiership most players say they would choose the premiership - it's what you play for. Who in their right mind wouldn't want the chance to play in the Geelong team in the next 5 years or so? I just don't think Prismall is that dumb. He'll stay.

 

[hamG]

It is an interesting issue how the club will measure the sustainability of the premiership window - So many of our great players will still be peaking for 3-5+ years and what I would like to see is to avoid age gaps in the playing list where there is too many senior players at the wrong end of their career and nothing to replace them. In 3 or so years we will have a small group of midfielders who will be pushing 30 and it is then we need we need a guy who has been in the system long enough to walk in, just like Pris does now. The whole 'blooding kids to see if they can play' approach that perennially poor performing clubs do I don't want to ever go through. I did tie this mini issue to Pris in the end!

Pris being contracted for next year is a good situation for us. The end of next year is a long way away and anything could happen from him playing 3 games and leaving to him playing the whole season. I would be surprised if we got higher than a mid to late 2nd round pick for him if he was traded only because I don't believe a club would depart with their first round pick in the last year for a long time where they will have one. In the end the only reason he would be traded is if he wants to leave.

 

[cats2rise]

Corey doesn't win the ball in the packs? I don't have the stats at hand, but I'd say he'd be nearly leading clearances for us. We have few, if any, outside midfielders in the team, as generally our backmen and forwards perform those tasks (Enright, Mackie, Milburn, Wojcinski, Hunt, Stokes).

My apologies I meant Kelly. Corey would prob be third for clearances behind Ablett and Bartel.
But yes, thats what I was getting at - There are inside midfielders and outside midfielders. Prismall does not get many clearances as I think he is an outside midfielder. That is not to say he is soft at a contest... Ablett, Bartel etc are better suited to be under the packs and win the ball while Prismall waits to recieve. You need players you can dish off to once getting the ball who can use it well such as Prismall/Kelly ().

 

[cats2rise]

Ding! Everyone is under estimating how many drafts will occur when the teams come in. It will be massive. Plenty will be made by those clubs with good stocks to move.

G17 can't play with 36x 18 year olds. And that is going to turn trades into a frenzy. Keep some cards up the sleeve.

Maybe we should hold Tenace til then

If people think an untried Prismall (17 games guys, come on) is worth a first rounder... I guess Tenace could be given off in a package with Byrnes for a second rounder..

In honesty, with all these picks that will be leaving GC17 for ready made experienced players, I think it would be better for them to get someone that has more experience at Prismalls age, or throw a first rounder at Geelong for a player such as Kelly than Prismall.

 

[forrrestGump]

i dont think as soon as egan is fit he will be straight back in the side, as good as he was, hes missed a LOT of footy. trading taylor is a nonsense idea.

as is trading prismall, unless he WANTS to leave the best club in the league.

this thread is blasphemy.

In any other defence Taylor will look second rate, the bloke has been made to look very impressive, but if he was playing for Melbourne there would be no discussion, let's not get too far ahead of ourselves

 

[madcat001]

Taylor has been very good and to suggest trading him is non-sense. He's no Matthew Egan, but in his first year with a limited amount of games, he has done everything to suggest he deserves a future at the cattery and nothing to suggest we should trade him. Not really worth discussion IMO.

 

[forrrestGump]

Taylor has been very good and to suggest trading him is non-sense. He's no Matthew Egan, but in his first year with a limited amount of games, he has done everything to suggest he deserves a future at the cattery and nothing to suggest we should trade him. Not really worth discussion IMO.

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